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[nos_astra]

Emerald Melios wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

So... if Alistair is not Fiona's then there is one more child of Maric's hidden away somewhere. Interesting.

Ten sovereigns says it is Anders.

Where does THAT theory come from? 

[pudi0072000]

He's blond and a mage.



Herren looks more like a Theirin than Anders does.

[thegreateski]

It makes her Alistair's sorta-kinda-not really sister.

[Emerald Melios]

klarabella wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

So... if Alistair is not Fiona's then there is one more child of Maric's hidden away somewhere. Interesting.

Ten sovereigns says it is Anders.

Where does THAT theory come from? 

I heard it on the Awakening board.

[Thor Rand Al]

I still believe the idea that even Eamon might not know Alistair's real heritage. It could be possible that Goldanna's mom just happened to be giving birth at the same time that Fiona came with Duncan to show/tell Maric about Alistair. A perfect opportunity to explain Alistair to Eamon n Loghain but not the whole truth. All Alistair knows is that he is Maric's son, that his mother died giving birth to him. That's exactly what Fiona wanted, (for Alistair to think his mother died giving birth to him.) I believe that Eamon told Alistair the truth he thinks he knows.

[nos_astra]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

I still believe the idea that even Eamon might not know Alistair's real heritage. It could be possible that Goldanna's mom just happened to be giving birth at the same time that Fiona came with Duncan to show/tell Maric about Alistair. A perfect opportunity to explain Alistair to Eamon n Loghain but not the whole truth. All Alistair knows is that he is Maric's son, that his mother died giving birth to him. That's exactly what Fiona wanted, (for Alistair to think his mother died giving birth to him.) I believe that Eamon told Alistair the truth he thinks he knows.

That still doesn't explain why they would think Rowan was the reason for the secrecy. You can hardly mistake a baby for a toddler.

[Addai]

Can someone quote exactly what Loghain and Eamon say about Rowan? Is it possible they mean Maric fathering a bastard dishonors her memory?

[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

Can someone quote exactly what Loghain and Eamon say about Rowan? Is it possible they mean Maric fathering a bastard dishonors her memory?

I cant exactualy quote it but Loghain talks and acts like Rowan was alive when you ask him about Alistair so no

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 11 mars 2010 - 11:11 .

[Sarah1281]

Loghain said that Maric almost acknowledged Alistair but backed down as Rowan's position as Queen would be weakened if news of Alistair came out.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Loghain said that Maric almost acknowledged Alistair but backed down as Rowan's position as Queen would be weakened if news of Alistair came out.

he also says Rowan would look like a concubine in the eyes of the other nations

[Sarah1281]

But that wouldn't matter if she were dead.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sarah1281 wrote...

But that wouldn't matter if she were dead.

I know which is why I said it

why would Rowan look like a concubine if Alistair was fionas child when Rowan has been dead for years

[Thor Rand Al]

klarabella wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

I still believe the idea that even Eamon might not know Alistair's real heritage. It could be possible that Goldanna's mom just happened to be giving birth at the same time that Fiona came with Duncan to show/tell Maric about Alistair. A perfect opportunity to explain Alistair to Eamon n Loghain but not the whole truth. All Alistair knows is that he is Maric's son, that his mother died giving birth to him. That's exactly what Fiona wanted, (for Alistair to think his mother died giving birth to him.) I believe that Eamon told Alistair the truth he thinks he knows.

That still doesn't explain why they would think Rowan was the reason for the secrecy. You can hardly mistake a baby for a toddler.

Where does toddler come into this. The baby was an infant when Fiona and Duncan brought the baby to Maric.  As for the secrecey well the book/Maric does say, "Andraste's grace, but Loghain isn't going to like this." 
Loghain hates grey wardens, if he knew that not only is this child's mom an elf, plus a mage but also a grey warden he'd probably try to have the child disappear however he could.  Also Anora and Cailan were promised from basially the day Cailan was born.  There's a lot of reason's to keep this true child's identity a secret. 
As far as why Alistair was told he was Maric's well the older he gets the more he starts looking like Maric, the more people start talking.  There was no mistaking that the child was Maric's. 
Infant's description:  "The child had a wisp of blonde hair and rosy pink cheeks, and was sleeping soundly.  It was definitely his, however.  The boy even looked a bit like Cailan."

This is 1 of those instances where there's secret's within secrets.

[nos_astra]

Meh!

Modifié par klarabella, 11 mars 2010 - 11:49 .

[Sarah1281]

Loghain hates grey wardens, if he knew that not only is this child's mom an elf, plus a mage but also a grey warden he'd probably try to have the child disappear however he could.

Yeah, if Maric tried to tell him, he'd get about as far as "So I had a son with an Orlesian-" before Loghain flew off the handle.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 12 mars 2010 - 05:37 .

[steelfire_dragon]

there is evidence to support Allistair being Fiona's son.

however Gaider was said to ahve left this open to us as for interpretation of it.



after all, Duncan knew Allistair was Maric's son.

I do Believe Eamon knew as well.



I do know know if Loghain, (the gods watch his soul) knew or not.

Maric was tolf by fflemeth that he would betray him, each time worst than the time before.......





but the thing is with prophesies is that they happen, just never as one would quite expect.





and then there is the thing about Morrigan being Maric's daughter.....

creepy

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Loghain hates grey wardens, if he knew that not only is this child's mom an elf, plus a mage but also a grey warden he'd probably try to have the child disappear however he could.

Yeah, if Maric tried to tell him, he'd get abou as far as "So I had a son with an Orlesian-" before Loghain flew off the handle.

Heh, so true.  I had forgotten that Fiona was from Orlais on top of everything else.

The only explanation I can work out for Loghain's banter on Rowan and Alistair ("he would be a constant reminder to Rowan of Maric's infidelity") is that it's based on secondhand things he heard from Eamon, later on when it came out who Alistair was, and that Eamon was actively concealing Alistair's identity by giving him false information.  Eamon would have to provide some rationale for why Maric had not recognized a bastard son, because Loghain would know that it was out of character for Maric not to do so.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Loghain hates grey wardens, if he knew that not only is this child's mom an elf, plus a mage but also a grey warden he'd probably try to have the child disappear however he could.

Yeah, if Maric tried to tell him, he'd get abou as far as "So I had a son with an Orlesian-" before Loghain flew off the handle.

Heh, so true.  I had forgotten that Fiona was from Orlais on top of everything else.

The only explanation I can work out for Loghain's banter on Rowan and Alistair ("he would be a constant reminder to Rowan of Maric's infidelity") is that it's based on secondhand things he heard from Eamon, later on when it came out who Alistair was, and that Eamon was actively concealing Alistair's identity by giving him false information.  Eamon would have to provide some rationale for why Maric had not recognized a bastard son, because Loghain would know that it was out of character for Maric not to do so.

Eamon wouldn't even have to say anything - Loghain could come up with all that on his own.  Loghain knew very little about Alistair - all the evidence you need for that is his statement that he "sees nothing of Maric in this pup" when anyone who has read the books will probably note that Alistair is a great deal like Maric in personality as well as looks.

So Loghain finds out there's a bastard son, and might have guessed for himself why Maric never told him about him - since Loghain was in love with Rowan, she's a strong, obvious reason, especially if he found out that Eeamon was raising the boy.  If Maric was still alive, he probably would have just noded his head and let Loghain come up with the details on his own.  If Maric was already gone by this time, well, Loghain just gets to make up all sorts of fantasies that make sense to him.

[Shadvox]

THIS POST IS A GAME SPOILER.

Here is a 'funny' thing. During the fight with Ambassador Gainley, one of his 'bodyguards' is Alistair's twin. I mean like EXACT. First time I saw I thought my game was glitching, had switched Alistair's armor, (not to mention my romance option was suddenly swinging a sword at my head, ha,) but nope, guy was an enemy, Alistair on other side of the room.
Now it really could simply be that they just used a pre-made face etc to 'bulk up' the group, (Alistair's?) only this was a bunch from Denerim staying with the dwarves in the royal palace and only time I've seen that 'extra'. Plus a lot is 'hidden' throughout this game...and this WAS an assassination quest. Hmm.
Anyway, as said, if nothing else it is 'funny'. Especially if you're a conspiracy enthusiast wanting some fun.

Here's what he looks like:

http://social.biowar...37746/22488.jpg

Body lingers for several minutes after been looted of armor...in his briefs. I've never had any other enemy do this:

http://social.biowar...37746/22489.jpg
http://social.biowar...37746/22490.jpg

Modifié par Shadvox, 13 mars 2010 - 06:58 .

[Highdragonslayer]

King Maric's character must have been based off of Bill Clinton.

[Morroian]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

King Maric's character must have been based off of Bill Clinton.

You do realise Maric's wife was dead when Alistiar was conceived.

As for Alistair not being Fiona's son, meh, its clear to me that he is the baby at the end of The Calling. IMHO there's a clear implication.

[Sarah1281]

Well, Maric DID have a responsibility to see that the Therin bloodline lived on...

[Leanansidhe]

I know no one probably wants to hear it, but I think it's Anders, as well. Go watch his video, and listen to him. Maric breeds true, that's all I'll say. Plus, he's a mage, and Fiona was a mage.

[Nonvita]

The response from DG regarding Anders and Alistair's similarities makes me think otherwise: Link.

There's nothing but a similar appearance and the fact he's a mage to base things off of. I personally see no reason to believe Anders is Fiona's son.