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[cruc1al]

Update March 12

I tested the killing speed of the sniper rifles. Everything's the same as in the previous video (below), with the exception that I'm using the tactical cloak when useful, since it gives Widow the ability to insta-kill even the Turian Blue Suns. That's how you would use the Widow in actual game play, so it gives a more accurate comparison. It should be noted that, with a couple more damage upgrades or bonuses, the tactical cloak would only be needed against the commander.

Sniper Rifle Target Elimination Comparison (HD)

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Original post

I figured that it may be sometimes useful to strip enemies of their shields as fast as possible while keeping your distance, rather than doing the alternative of sniping down enemies one by one. I tested how well the sniper rifles compare in this regard. The idea was to make four mercs vulnerable to powers, then move on to the merc commander and remove his shields and armor as fast as possible. And here are the results:

Tactical Anti-Shield Sniper Rifle Comparison (HD)

I play on insanity, with 3/5 damage upgrades, headshot and AP upgrades, squad disruptor ammo, and no other damage bonuses. The place is part of a side mission called 'Disable false signal'.

Enjoy

Modifié par cruc1al, 12 mars 2010 - 11:38 .

[Average Gatsby]

The fact that the viper is better than the incisor v shields makes me even angrier. They specifically say that the incisor is an anti-shield weapon.



I think I'm getting ready to start a "Fix the Incisor Bioware" rage thread.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

Thanks for the vids. Appreciate it. In all your vids, it's pretty close between the Viper and the Widow. I guess that the Widow would be superior for the one/two-shot kills, resulting in less exposure time, but the good news is that if you're not an soldier or infiltrator, and take sniper training and are left with the Viper, you really aren't suffering too much. A bit easier to head-shot with the Widow though, as opposed to multi-head-shot with the Viper for the same damage.



Thanks again.

[RamsenC]

The Incisor is a piece of junk sadly, love the Viper though. So much ammo and its still close to as powerful as the Widow. Plus popping off 4 shots a second is just fun. Does anyone know how long the damage boost of cloak lasts? I'm assuming it lasts until you fully reappear.

[Athenau]

I timed the cloak damage bonus as lasting around ~1 second from when you fire. It lasts until your cloak starts to glimmer (not until you fully decloak).

[Duduris]

Thanks cruc1al! Your videos are amazing! Keep up the good work!

[cruc1al]

Average Gatsby wrote...

The fact that the viper is better than the incisor v shields makes me even angrier. They specifically say that the incisor is an anti-shield weapon.

I think I'm getting ready to start a "Fix the Incisor Bioware" rage thread.

You could always try modding it yourself

EDIT: By the way, it should be noted that the Incisor can actually strip the shields of a merc in one burst, if all shots hit the head. In theory, that's faster than shooting three shots body shots or two head shots with the Viper. But it's a big if.

Modifié par cruc1al, 11 mars 2010 - 01:08 .

[davidshooter]

Great videos - thanks for posting these.

[Average Gatsby]

cruc1al wrote...

Average Gatsby wrote...

The fact that the viper is better than the incisor v shields makes me even angrier. They specifically say that the incisor is an anti-shield weapon.

I think I'm getting ready to start a "Fix the Incisor Bioware" rage thread.

You could always try modding it yourself

Oh man I have no idea how to even begin doing something like that. If I knew how though. I would. I'd just give it a bit more total ammo, maybe 75 total shots, and 6-9 rounds per pickup. I think that would almost perfectly fix the weapon.

[RamsenC]

I know how to mod weapons in general, but for some reason modding the DLC items does not work. I get some error I don't remember off-hand when I enter the game after trying. There might be a way to do it, but I have no idea how. Also I couldn't find a way to change the ammo on pick-up.

The easiest stuff to change is total clip size, spare bullets, damage, and rate of fire. 

Modifié par RamsenC, 11 mars 2010 - 02:31 .

[Ackillez]

The incisor is horrid for personal use, but the squad seems to make good use of it. I seem to recall the squad damage multiplier being higher than for the other rifles, and of course squadmates don't need to worry about ammo or recoil.



When I played an infiltrator I couldn't manage to headshot things with the incisor, despite the insistence that the shots are fired so fast recoil shouldn't be a factor I could rarely hit the enemy's head with all three shots.

[Tlazolteotl]

Maybe the incisor is meant to be a point-blank sniper rifle.

Cloak, run up to punching range, and triple headshot 'em without scoping.



Oh wait. That's the eviscerator. My bad.

[blitzseed]

Average Gatsby wrote...

The fact that the viper is better than the incisor v shields makes me even angrier. They specifically say that the incisor is an anti-shield weapon.

I think I'm getting ready to start a "Fix the Incisor Bioware" rage thread.

I’m with you Gatsby, I also have this weapon and I do like the look and feel of it, I don’t like the low ammo capacity and low clip pick up for it.  I support Average Gatsby’s rage thread!  Lol

Modifié par blitzseed, 11 mars 2010 - 02:58 .

[OniGanon]

Wonder why they would call the Incisor an anti-shield weapon. It has no bonus against shields afaik.



This test went pretty much as I expected it to. The previous test (snipers vs armour) had the Viper looking fairly competitive despite being at a relative disadvantage vs armour compared to other sniper rifles. Seeing how easily it tears through shields is unsurprising, but satisfying.

[tonnactus]

So the viper is the best overall sniper rifle.The results should be the same against barriers.

[cruc1al]

tonnactus wrote...

So the viper is the best overall sniper rifle.

I think 'overall' is a bit hard to judge objectively. Depends on what you use it for. The Widow could've insta killed every merc with head shots apart from the boss, while the Viper is the fastest at tearing down shields of multiple targets.

Modifié par cruc1al, 12 mars 2010 - 12:55 .

[Kurupt87]

Yeah, i think it depends how you use your rifle. If it's the main weapon then widow, if it's a support weapon then viper, at least imo.

[tonnactus]

cruc1al wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

So the viper is the best overall sniper rifle.

I think 'overall' is a bit hard to judge objectively. Depends on what you use it for. The Widow could've insta killed every merc with head shots apart from the boss, while the Viper is the fastest at tearing down shields of multiple targets.

I consider heavy mechs at least to be something like subbosses.The 0,5 second advantage the widow has against armor is compensated with the better shield penetration the viper has.The huge disadvantage of the widow is the need to reload after each shot.I think clearing rooms of regular enemies would be as fast with the viper as with the widow.(that is my experience/i play it on the xbox and dont have fraps,so i couldnt prove it)

[Athenau]

The viper has the best on-paper dps of all the sniper rifles, but it's very hard to chain headshots while keeping the maximum rate of fire (because enemies move around and flinch while hit). So in practice the Widow will come out a bit ahead (as these vids show).

[cruc1al]

tonnactus wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

So the viper is the best overall sniper rifle.

I think 'overall' is a bit hard to judge objectively. Depends on what you use it for. The Widow could've insta killed every merc with head shots apart from the boss, while the Viper is the fastest at tearing down shields of multiple targets.

I consider heavy mechs at least to be something like subbosses.The 0,5 second advantage the widow has against armor is compensated with the better shield penetration the viper has.The huge disadvantage of the widow is the need to reload after each shot.I think clearing rooms of regular enemies would be as fast with the viper as with the widow.(that is my experience/i play it on the xbox and dont have fraps,so i couldnt prove it)

Hey, I think I'll do the same experiment as above but take down the enemies one by one with each rifle!

As for the need to reload after each shot being a disadvantage, I thoroughly disagree, because that need is compensated by the high damage per bullet. Especially against heavy mechs, you're better off not exposing yourself too much to their machinegun; for that, the Widow is perfect. Furthermore, sometimes you can synchronise your reloading with the heavy mech's rocket.

[WillieStyle]

cruc1al wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

So the viper is the best overall sniper rifle.

I think 'overall' is a bit hard to judge objectively. Depends on what you use it for. The Widow could've insta killed every merc with head shots apart from the boss, while the Viper is the fastest at tearing down shields of multiple targets.

I consider heavy mechs at least to be something like subbosses.The 0,5 second advantage the widow has against armor is compensated with the better shield penetration the viper has.The huge disadvantage of the widow is the need to reload after each shot.I think clearing rooms of regular enemies would be as fast with the viper as with the widow.(that is my experience/i play it on the xbox and dont have fraps,so i couldnt prove it)

Hey, I think I'll do the same experiment as above but take down the enemies one by one with each rifle!

As for the need to reload after each shot being a disadvantage, I thoroughly disagree, because that need is compensated by the high damage per bullet. Especially against heavy mechs, you're better off not exposing yourself too much to their machinegun; for that, the Widow is perfect. Furthermore, sometimes you can synchronise your reloading with the heavy mech's rocket.

^This. It's true when fighting crowds of enemies as well.  The oppurtunity cost of "reloading" is low because you can do it from behind cover, which has the added benefit of keeping you alive.
Also, in that test, he could have 1-shot all the regular mercs with the Widow if he wanted to.

[tonnactus]

WillieStyle wrote...

^This. It's true when fighting crowds of enemies as well.  The oppurtunity cost of "reloading" is low because you can do it from behind cover, which has the added benefit of keeping you alive.
Also, in that test, he could have 1-shot all the regular mercs with the Widow if he wanted to.

Enemies move and sometimes people misses with headshots...
So you have to take time  to find and aim at another enemie that mooves with the widow after each reload.
With the viper, you could stay snipping and follow moving targets.Two shots are enough for most foes,except krogans and some  bosses.

Modifié par tonnactus, 12 mars 2010 - 03:09 .

[WillieStyle]

tonnactus wrote...

Enemies move and sometimes people misses with headshots...
So you have to take time  to find and aim at another enemie that mooves with the widow after each reload.
With the viper, you could stay snipping and follow moving targets.Two shots are enough for most foes,except krogans and some  bosses.

Missing hurts all weapons. A miss is a miss.  If anything, aiming headshots is harder with the Viper because of hte annoying head-wiggle. Couple that with the fact that, if you're an Infiltrator, you only get ~2 secs of slow time each time you zoom.
"Taking time to find and aim" is a non issue.  It's not as though you can't see the enemy while you're behind cover.

[cruc1al]

WillieStyle wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Enemies move and sometimes people misses with headshots...
So you have to take time  to find and aim at another enemie that mooves with the widow after each reload.
With the viper, you could stay snipping and follow moving targets.Two shots are enough for most foes,except krogans and some  bosses.

Missing hurts all weapons. A miss is a miss.  If anything, aiming headshots is harder with the Viper because of hte annoying head-wiggle. Couple that with the fact that, if you're an Infiltrator, you only get ~2 secs of slow time each time you zoom.
"Taking time to find and aim" is a non issue.  It's not as though you can't see the enemy while you're behind cover.

That's why it's important to decide your target before you get out of cover, so that you'll be zooming in on the target directly rather than first zooming, then searching for a target.

[cruc1al]

Updated the original post with a new video.