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[Paladus902]

thepringle wrote...

Paragades forever! too bad its impossible to get everybody through the mission alive as a paragade

I think this is down to peoples differing opinions of what a Paragade really is.  I had the loyalty of everyone and enough points in my paragon/renegade bars to keep it that way.  They all came through on the otherside after the Suicide Mission.  

[Sialater]

Paladus902 wrote...

thepringle wrote...

Paragades forever! too bad its impossible to get everybody through the mission alive as a paragade

I think this is down to peoples differing opinions of what a Paragade really is.  I had the loyalty of everyone and enough points in my paragon/renegade bars to keep it that way.  They all came through on the otherside after the Suicide Mission.  

That's probably the problem with the "mixed alignment" characters.  Lack of definement.

[InvaderErl]

Paragade is the thinking man's alignment.

[Raphael diSanto]

Soahfreako wrote...

Paragades are just a bad idea. IMHO, it's not how you get things done. It's how you get your squad killed in the suicide mission. If that's what you call, "getting things done" than that's your decision. Just sayin'.

Edit: Also, if you somehow got the loyalty of miranda/jack and Tali/legion back while being a so called "Paragade", then you seem to be doing it wrong. 80% paragon and 20% renegade isn't really a mix of both. I'm guessing a true "Paragade" is 50% paragon and 50% renegade, which isn't going to get their loyalty back.

Why does it have to be 80% and 20% .. The way the morality meters work in ME, your max is 200%, not 100% .. A well-balanced paragade shepard would probably be 80% paragon, 50% Renegade. Nice to people who deserve it and ruthless with people who don't.

The totals don't have to add up to 100, folks.

[InvaderErl]

Oh and people, with my bars both pretty high I was able to convince Tali and Legion to be friends and for Jack and Miranda to be nice and make up, so please stop pulling that card out because its not true.



Hell, I've noticed that people with just one bar being really high tend to have more problems during those scenes.

[Cutlass Jack]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

Why does it have to be 80% and 20% .. The way the morality meters work in ME, your max is 200%, not 100% .. A well-balanced paragade shepard would probably be 80% paragon, 50% Renegade. Nice to people who deserve it and ruthless with people who don't.

The totals don't have to add up to 100, folks.

Yes exactly right. There's quite a bit more points given than required to hit 100.

[Sialater]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

Paragades are just a bad idea. IMHO, it's not how you get things done. It's how you get your squad killed in the suicide mission. If that's what you call, "getting things done" than that's your decision. Just sayin'.

Edit: Also, if you somehow got the loyalty of miranda/jack and Tali/legion back while being a so called "Paragade", then you seem to be doing it wrong. 80% paragon and 20% renegade isn't really a mix of both. I'm guessing a true "Paragade" is 50% paragon and 50% renegade, which isn't going to get their loyalty back.

Why does it have to be 80% and 20% .. The way the morality meters work in ME, your max is 200%, not 100% .. A well-balanced paragade shepard would probably be 80% paragon, 50% Renegade. Nice to people who deserve it and ruthless with people who don't.

The totals don't have to add up to 100, folks.

Ah, thanks for explaining it better than I was.  I figured that's what it was, I just wasn't sure.

[Raphael diSanto]

InvaderErl wrote...

Paragade is the thinking man's alignment.

This.

Paragade is Chaotic Good.

Paragade is Han Solo
Paragade is Indiana Jones
Paragade is John McLane, Martin Riggs, Jack Slater and Snake Plissken.

Paragade is pretty much every badass action hero ever made. Doing the -right- thing. But doing it in a badass way. Paragades get to say the coolest one-liners, but they do it on the side of the angels and they do it for the right reasons and to the right people.

Generations of Hollywood action movies can't be wrong. Paragade -is- the most popular psychological profile for an action hero. No one can deny that Han is more popular than the fully Paragon Luke.

Modifié par Raphael diSanto, 11 mars 2010 - 04:30 .

[Raphael diSanto]

crimzontearz wrote...

yeah you do realize the game itself discourages Renegons and Paragades right?

now that Paragon and Renegade benchmarks for successful intimidate/charm responses are based on a percentage of "possible points earned" versus "points actually earned" instead of preset values if you flip flop between paths you are never going to have enough paragon or renegade points to keep Miranda, Jack, Legion, Tali and Zaeed loyal for the suicide mission.....just saying

The only thing my Renegon couldn't do was resist Morinth. Had zero trouble keeping loyalties in both disputes, and he was in a relationship with Tali at the time.

[Tooneyman]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

The nice thing about being a paragade is you only have to lose one squad member. This is it and I ususal get rid of the psycho's. Who needs them anyway.

I'm a paragade and I haven't lost anyone on either of my playthroughs.  Saved the entire crew too

Cause you cheated lol. Jk!

[apotheosic]

InvaderErl wrote...

Paragade is the thinking man's alignment.

this.

also i was able to resolve the tali/legion conflict peacefully, and i purposedly sided with jack in the jack/miranda conflict. and i lost no one in the suicide mission.  
paragade lets you pick the choices that you want to pick, and if you play fairly smart, you dont necessarily pay for it.
my final total was probably about 80 paragon and 60 renegade.

[Sialater]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Paragade is the thinking man's alignment.

This.

Paragade is Chaotic Good.

Paragade is Han Solo
Paragade is Indiana Jones
Paragade is John McLane, Martin Riggs, Jack Slater and Snake Plissken.

Paragade is pretty much every badass action hero ever made. Doing the -right- thing. But doing it in a badass way. Paragades get to say the coolest one-liners, but they do it on the side of the angels and they do it for the right reasons and to the right people.

Generations of Hollywood action movies can't be wrong. Paragade -is- the most popular psychological profile for an action hero. No one can deny that Han is more popular than the fully Paragon Luke.

Even Luke goes gray, eventually.

[Markinator_123]

Soahfreako wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

Paragades are just a bad idea. IMHO, it's not how you get things done. It's how you get your squad killed in the suicide mission. If that's what you call, "getting things done" than that's your decision. Just sayin'.

oh really? Interesting, well lets see. I am paragade and I brought everyone of my squad home from the suicide mission. So you were saying about paragades not getting things done? I am sorry but the paragade Shepard is the coolest Shepard.

You didn't seem to see the edit.

I posted before the edit. I guess I jumped the shark too quickly.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 11 mars 2010 - 04:41 .

[Ieldra]

Soahfreako wrote...

Paragades are just a bad idea. IMHO, it's not how you get things done. It's how you get your squad killed in the suicide mission. If that's what you call, "getting things done" than that's your decision. Just sayin'.

Edit: Also, if you somehow got the loyalty of miranda/jack and Tali/legion back while being a so called "Paragade", then you seem to be doing it wrong. 80% paragon and 20% renegade isn't really a mix of both. I'm guessing a true "Paragade" is 50% paragon and 50% renegade, which isn't going to get their loyalty back.

I'm at about 80% Paragon, 65% Renegade, right before starting the endgame. No problems with acquiring the loyalty of all squad members, although not always in the manner I would've preferred. And I did Legion's loyalty quest last so the Tali/Legion conflict showed up when there were the highest possible requirements. I couldn't take the Renegade option which I would have preferred, but the Paragon one worked fine.

BTW, playing 50/50 exactly is just as dogmatic as playing extremes.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 mars 2010 - 04:43 .

[InvaderErl]

omgwtfbbqhax wrote...

I know one guy who went 3 days without playing as paragade....and he got hit by a car

You just have to expect things like that to happen.

[Raphael diSanto]

Sialater wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Paragade is the thinking man's alignment.

This.

Paragade is Chaotic Good.

Paragade is Han Solo
Paragade is Indiana Jones
Paragade is John McLane, Martin Riggs, Jack Slater and Snake Plissken.

Paragade is pretty much every badass action hero ever made. Doing the -right- thing. But doing it in a badass way. Paragades get to say the coolest one-liners, but they do it on the side of the angels and they do it for the right reasons and to the right people.

Generations of Hollywood action movies can't be wrong. Paragade -is- the most popular psychological profile for an action hero. No one can deny that Han is more popular than the fully Paragon Luke.

Even Luke goes gray, eventually.

That's cuz he knows it's cooler (and was sick of all the fangirls lusting after Han)

[spacehamsterZH]

I was about 50:50, leaning a bit more towards Renegade, at the end and got everyone through the suicide mission just fine. I'm taking this character through an NG+ now and doing things similarly, and I somehow managed to not have a high enough score on either to get Zaeed's loyalty after refusing to help him, but that's the only problem I've ever had. Well, that and it seems you need to be 100% Renegade to recruit Morinth instead of Samara.

[Markinator_123]

Most of the Arnold Schwarzenegger action heroes are paragades. Pure paragons are little girly men.

I played as a Male Shepard and sometimes I feel like Arnold Schwarzenegger in space (there is a renegade interrupt on Miranda's loyalty mission that is an excellent representation of that fact).

Modifié par Markinator_123, 11 mars 2010 - 05:07 .

[Sialater]

Ellen Ripley was a Paragrade.



As was Sarah Connor.

[Markinator_123]

Sialater wrote...

Ellen Ripley was a Paragrade.

As was Sarah Connor.

That is why those two were so popular.

[Sialater]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Ellen Ripley was a Paragrade.

As was Sarah Connor.

That is why those two were so popular.

Just pointing out, they're hardly the Arnold Schwartzeneger types but were still Paragrades. 


And Buffy was hardly lily white, either, or Angel and Spike would be dust.

[Raphael diSanto]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Ellen Ripley was a Paragrade.

As was Sarah Connor.

That is why those two were so popular.

Exactly. Most hollywood heros are paragades. Writers understand that the hero needs to be the good guy. So, sure, paragon. But they also understand that the hero needs to say cool things and blow stuff up. They need good one-liners and to be sarcastic towards the villains. There's your renegade half.

What I'd like to see is Shane Black  write Shepard's dialogue for ME3.

I think that might make for the best video game dialogue ever.

[Cutlass Jack]

Zorro, Captain Blood, the Musketeers Robin Hood, Inigo Montoya and the Dread Pirate Roberts were also Paragades.
(Just making sure the Swashbucklers are represented too)

[InvaderErl]

John Crichton was a Paragade.



Malcolm Reynolds was a Paragade.



End of debate.