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[Sialater]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Zorro, Captain Blood, the Musketeers Robin Hood, Inigo Montoya and the Dread Pirate Roberts were also Paragades.
(Just making sure the Swashbucklers are represented too)

Don't forget Matrim Cauthon and Aragorn.

[Raphael diSanto]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Zorro, Captain Blood, the Musketeers Robin Hood, Inigo Montoya and the Dread Pirate Roberts were also Paragades.
(Just making sure the Swashbucklers are represented too)

Haha.. We can list 'em all day, but the truth is.. Generally speaking, a full paragon is too boring for audiences to like, and a full renegade is too much of a jerk.

That's why there's so many Paragades (or Renegons) in Hollywood.

[Markinator_123]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Zorro, Captain Blood, the Musketeers Robin Hood, Inigo Montoya and the Dread Pirate Roberts were also Paragades.
(Just making sure the Swashbucklers are represented too)

Haha.. We can list 'em all day, but the truth is.. Generally speaking, a full paragon is too boring for audiences to like, and a full renegade is too much of a jerk.

That's why there's so many Paragades (or Renegons) in Hollywood.

that is why paragade is the only way to go

[UnknownVisitor]

Paragades are the best. Not only are they more realistic, they get to be awesome w/ their renegade interupts and still be the good-guy. Most of the time...

[Vicious]

Paragade FTW, I enjoyed my playthrough where I had enough Renegade to shut up Miranda and Jack, and enough Paragon to convince Tali and Legion to make a deal.



My ENTIRE team was loyal by the final mission. And it was my very first try as a Paragade.

[apotheosic]

UnknownVisitor wrote...

Paragades are the best. Not only are they more realistic, they get to be awesome w/ their renegade interupts and still be the good-guy. Most of the time...

backstab a guy with his own arc-welder and then turn around and hug tali.
best of both worlds.

[Ieldra]

Just finished my current ME2 playthrough. Point balance: Paragon 90%, Renegade 75% - got sucked into a few more minor Renegade decisions than usual, and I kept the base. Though, all in all very satisfying.

[CherryColaLola]

apotheosic wrote...

Yeah, all them paragons and renegades think they're the best, but we all know that they're just a bunch of stereotyped extremists.

It's people like us paragades who REALLY get the job done. We know that true justice often has to blur the line between good and evil. We know that you can't save a galaxy by being a goody two-shoes righting everyone's wrongs, or a crazed gunman shooting everything that moves.

Victory through moderation! Power through choice!
The choices make the man (or woman), and us paragades know how to see past the moral blacks and whites that govern the paragons and renegades!

*Cheers wildly from the crowd of sycophants*

Paragades are winsauce, plain and simple. Just doing what's rational.

[Hammer_Of_God]

apotheosic wrote...

UnknownVisitor wrote...

Paragades are the best. Not only are they more realistic, they get to be awesome w/ their renegade interupts and still be the good-guy. Most of the time...

backstab a guy with his own arc-welder and then turn around and hug tali.
best of both worlds.

Yehp! You can be the good guy, do the right thing, but with flair & a wicked badass streak that makes a true hero irresistable! Paragade is the only way I like to see my Shepard!

And yes, went paragade all the way & still had enough enough points to resolve the Miranda & Jack dispute without losing favour with either girl, set Legion & Tali on the right track, & to bring my entire team home in one piece

[Wynne]

Honestly, I think my main Shep and I are both hardcore Paragades. It's that little black dot in the white side of the circle, it just feels right. Nothing's black and white perfect. Paragons can be naive. Renegades can be pointlessly cruel. Paragades and Renegons, on the other hand...

I love being nice, I love that shiny goody-goody feeling up to a certain point, but when somebody screws with my friends or harms somebody helpless or I just plain don't believe they're going to change and I have a good solid reason for it, that's when the sniper rifle comes out.

Modifié par Wynne, 15 mars 2010 - 01:43 .

[apotheosic]

Wynne wrote...

Honestly, I think my main Shep and I are both hardcore Paragades. It's that little black dot in the white side of the circle, it just feels right. Nothing's black and white perfect. Paragons can be naive. Renegades can be pointlessly cruel. Paragades and Renegons, on the other hand...

I love being nice, I love that shiny goody-goody feeling up to a certain point, but when somebody screws with my friends or harms somebody helpless or I just plain don't believe they're going to change and I have a good solid reason for it, that's when the sniper rifle comes out.

Amen to that! I could not have said it better myself.

[Gavinthelocust]

I am a renegon

[BlackFlameGhost]

Paragades own your soul.



Shoot who needs to be shot, and protect who needs to be protected.

[Tlazolteotl]

I'm Commander Shepard, and I wear red and blue.

[Landline]

What's the point of playing an RPG like this if you're not going to walk down the middle? If you play pure paragon or pure renegade you're not actually making any choices.

[Tlazolteotl]

Luc0s wrote...

You people do realize that the whole "paragade" and "renegon" thing doesn't make any sense right? If your paragon-bar is higher then your renegade-bar, you're paragon. If your renegade-bar is higher then your paragon-bar, you're renegade.

It's almost impossible to avoid getting points in both bars, so technically everyone is "paragade" or "renegon", if these two alignments even existed. But they don't. If you usually play paragon but sometimes pick the renegade option, you're paragon. Even ME2 says so (I've beaten ME1 with my paragon-bar filled up to 100% and my renegade-bar up to 70%, when I imported my ME1 file to ME2, it said "you chose the paragon path" in the overview).


I think the terms "paragade" and "renegon" are just stupid.

What if at the end of every mission, blue and red switch places as the longer bar?
What if at the end of the game, you've maxed both?
Definitely possible in ME1 .. I did it.
Not yet quite possible in ME2, but add Kasumi and it will be.

[GuardianAngel470]

I'm Commander Shepard, and I wear Red and Black, but there is no way in hell I'm not helping everyone I can while still giving the wicked their just rewards.



Especially if the council refuse to believe me. They will die a horrible, horrible, horrible death.



But I'm still Paragade.

[GuardianAngel470]

Luc0s wrote...

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

You people do realize that the whole "paragade" and "renegon" thing doesn't make any sense right? If your paragon-bar is higher then your renegade-bar, you're paragon. If your renegade-bar is higher then your paragon-bar, you're renegade.

It's almost impossible to avoid getting points in both bars, so technically everyone is "paragade" or "renegon", if these two alignments even existed. But they don't. If you usually play paragon but sometimes pick the renegade option, you're paragon. Even ME2 says so (I've beaten ME1 with my paragon-bar filled up to 100% and my renegade-bar up to 70%, when I imported my ME1 file to ME2, it said "you chose the paragon path" in the overview).


I think the terms "paragade" and "renegon" are just stupid.

What if at the end of every mission, blue and red switch places as the longer bar?
What if at the end of the game, you've maxed both?
Definitely possible in ME1 .. I did it.
Not yet quite possible in ME2, but add Kasumi and it will be.

I honestly don't kow what the ME2 import utility would say if you max out both paragon and renegade. Maybe the description will decide if you're paragon or renegade based on your major choices (rachni's fate, wrex's fate, council's fate)?

I dunno.

Well, as you might have noticed, since my bars where like this: Paragon 100% / Renegade 70%, I'm actually a "paragade" as well.
But it's just the term "paragade" or "renegon" that bothers me, because in the end, EVERYONE is "paragade" or "renegon", unless you intentionally take all the paragon dialogue options and decisions, but I doubt any RPG-lover will do that.
If you play Mass Effect in a natural way and make your decisions based on what YOU would do in that situation, you're always gonna end up with a "paragade" or "renegon". So in the end, being a "paragade" or "renegon" is not that special. So why not just say "I'm paragon" if you the majority of your decisions are paragon, or "I'm renegade" if the majority of your decisions are renegade?

The distinction is that Paragons will often make choices that aren't the most rational, ie BDTS.  To be a paragon you would let balak live in order to save the hostages.  A paragade would kill balak in order to prevent future attacks. That happens to also be what a renegade would do but the person that killed balak doesn't see themselves as a renegade.  They believe in doing what is necessary to do what is right. 

Paragon=do what is moral
Paragade=do what is necessary to do what is right
Renegon=Be renegade but paragon in all the right places (Rachni, wrex, etc)
Renegade=do what is necessary no matter what the cost

A renegade would sacrifice the whole crew on the suicide mission even though they could avoid it.  A paragon would make sure everyone survives, no matter how long it takes. A paragade would minimize the losses while trying to keep everyone alive.  A renegon would probably sacrifice everyone but a few that he cared about.

[Arhka]

Paragade, 50% more refreshing than Tupari. Even the game itself recognizes Paragade over pures.

Modifié par Arhka, 15 mars 2010 - 03:30 .

[Bigdoser]

Luc0s wrote...

You people do realize that the whole "paragade" and "renegon" thing doesn't make any sense right? If your paragon-bar is higher then your renegade-bar, you're paragon. If your renegade-bar is higher then your paragon-bar, you're renegade.

It's almost impossible to avoid getting points in both bars, so technically everyone is "paragade" or "renegon", if these two alignments even existed. But they don't. If you usually play paragon but sometimes pick the renegade option, you're paragon. Even ME2 says so (I've beaten ME1 with my paragon-bar filled up to 100% and my renegade-bar up to 70%, when I imported my ME1 file to ME2, it said "you chose the paragon path" in the overview).


I think the terms "paragade" and "renegon" are just stupid.

This.

[Noilly Prat]

A topic after my own heart! I realize that the terms aren't really necessary, as the morality system in the game is a dichotomy, but I think "Paragade" serves well enough to highlight a player's choice to straddle the line between Paragon and Renegade in a particular way.



I finished ME2 with full Paragon and half Renegade. Even my "Renegade" Shepard has a healthy dose of Paragon in him. I just can't play strictly as one or the other.

[InvaderErl]

Landline wrote...

What's the point of playing an RPG like this if you're not going to walk down the middle? If you play pure paragon or pure renegade you're not actually making any choices.

QFT.

A purely good or purely evil character is just not interesting.

[Pauravi]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Yay, and here I was thinking I'd be stuck in the "Paragons" thread forever.
Paragade is how I play each and every time and I love it.

crimzontearz wrote...

yeah you do realize the game itself discourages Renegons and Paragades right?

now
that Paragon and Renegade benchmarks for successful intimidate/charm
responses are based on a percentage of "possible points earned" versus
"points actually earned"

A lot of people keep saying this but I'm starting to think they're a little full of it (no offense to you in particular). 

There has never been a situation I've come across in which I couldn't charm my way out of it, even though I'd done probably 2-3 dozen renegade interrupts/choices throughout the game.

To be fair, though, interrupts in particular would not actually hurt your ability to use Charm.  Since you never have a renegade AND a paragon interrupt, so you aren't mission out on any Paragon points.  It has been confirmed that this is how the system works, but I really don't think they'd make most choices so tight that they wouldn't allow you leeway to do a few renegade things.