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Most importantly, paragade is delicious.

[Tlazolteotl]

Pauravi wrote...

Since you never have a renegade AND a paragon interrupt ...

Sure you do. Like when you meet mordin for the first time, you can wait awhile, and the renegade interrupt becomes a paragon one.
Or at the end of Freedom's progress, when the dialogue option just before determines which interrupt appears.

Or less extremely .. you sometimes get a charm option right after choosing not to renegade interrupt .. such as when interrogating mouse.

[Tlazolteotl]

Luc0s wrote...
I honestly don't kow what the ME2 import utility would say if you max out both paragon and renegade. Maybe the description will decide if you're paragon or renegade based on your major choices (rachni's fate, wrex's fate, council's fate)?

I really don't know.
I saved the council and the import function said I took the paragon path, but frankly, I don't think that bit matters in the slightest.

What matters is the +190 paragon and +190 renegade points I got when importing. Oh yes.

[Chuvvy]

Paragade FTW

[apotheosic]

Luc0s wrote...

You people do realize that the whole "paragade" and "renegon" thing doesn't make any sense right? If your paragon-bar is higher then your renegade-bar, you're paragon. If your renegade-bar is higher then your paragon-bar, you're renegade.

It's almost impossible to avoid getting points in both bars, so technically everyone is "paragade" or "renegon", if these two alignments even existed. But they don't. If you usually play paragon but sometimes pick the renegade option, you're paragon. Even ME2 says so (I've beaten ME1 with my paragon-bar filled up to 100% and my renegade-bar up to 70%, when I imported my ME1 file to ME2, it said "you chose the paragon path" in the overview).


I think the terms "paragade" and "renegon" are just stupid.

i feel that paragade is determined more by the choices you make, rather than the fullness of each bar. being a paragde means that you don't simply pick the paragon or renegade option consistently 90% of the time, you actually think about the choice, and what your shepard (or you) would actually do in that position.

for instance, my renegade shepard chose renegade or neutral for 90% of the game, she did take two or three paragon options, but those only in intercrew relations (i.e. garrus romance and tali hug.) because she does care about some of her crew. however all of the actual moral choices she made throughout the game, she was renegade or occasionally neutral. on the other hand, a paragade would resolve every situation differently, depending wholly on the situation. lik ei said, the choices make the man. i think your choices are what really determine your alignment, rather than the fullness of a couple bars.

[Keltoris]

I blur the line from Paragon more and more each playthrough.



Jack/Miranda & Tali/Legion tests are silly and reduce diversity in playthroughs. I'm always wondering if I have enough points to get away with them, especially the second one. Bring in KotOR2 approval for ME3 (not that DAO stupidity, oh no). Don't make it a huge deal, just make it so that talking to people and understanding them is the key, not going "top right, top right, top right".

[Tlazolteotl]

Meh .. if you want diversity, you can keep squadmates alive even if they're not loyal.

Or let them die.

It's not a big deal.

[Iokastos]

no renegon threads?

Modifié par Santiri_azz, 15 mars 2010 - 04:26 .

[NICKjnp]

Only losers drink paragade!

[Tlazolteotl]

Santiri_azz wrote...

no renegon threads?

Well, my characters do tend to be more renegade than paragon, but the term renegon is meh ...
While the term paragade is like ... ga in parade ... it's simultaneously hilarious and memebait.

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Tlazolteotl wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

Since you never have a renegade AND a paragon interrupt ...

Sure you do. Like when you meet mordin for the first time, you can wait awhile, and the renegade interrupt becomes a paragon one.
Or at the end of Freedom's progress, when the dialogue option just before determines which interrupt appears.

Or less extremely .. you sometimes get a charm option right after choosing not to renegade interrupt .. such as when interrogating mouse.

Problem is you have to wait and see what comes up, and there's no way of telling.

And you don't ever get a renegade AND paragon interrupt, it's one or the other, and you have to miss out on one to see if it's even possible to get the other.

[Tlazolteotl]

Pauravi's point was, though .. that you don't miss out on paragon points by taking a renegade interrupt and vice versa.

There are obviously instances where you do.

[Jzadek72]

Definitely - It saddens me to see so many people forgo characterisation.

[jerms510]

Sialater wrote...

ZaDonKilluminati wrote...

I found it much easier to be a paragade in Dragon Age. In ME1 and ME2 you can't convince or threaten even the most gullible person later in the game, because you are either a few paragon or renegade points short.

So Mass Effect punishes you for playing like you want to and forces you to play either as a "hug'em all" or "kill'em all". This restriction bothers me. Dragon Age did it better, because you only need 4 points in coercion and you can do whatever you want. Definitely the better solution.

In Mass Effect 1 and 2 i came across so many situations where i wanted to kick somebodys ass or shoot somebody in the face, but i couldn't do it because i knew i would be a few paragon points short later in the game. And having to shoot Wrex just because i shoved a gun in Conrad's face is just not worth it.

But it doesn't work that way.  I got both Jack's and Miri's loyalty, and Tali's and Legion's.  I had enough Paragon points to charm them out of their fights.  I don't see the problem.

on both my full renegade playthrough and my recent renegon playthrough, I've been unable to charm/intimidate my way into keeping both legion and tali's loyalty. I had full renegade, and 25% (renegade play) or 55% (renegon) paragon points. on my paragon games, I've always been able to charm the situation.

[InvaderErl]

That's because you played Renagon!



But seriously, I never filled up either bar, they were neck and neck for most of it and I persuaded both pairs to compromise. A friend of mine with an almost completely full bar couldn't keep both Miranda and Jack's loyalty.



Conclusion? Paragade ftw.

[Tlazolteotl]

Yeah, intimidate miranda/jack, and charm tali/legion.

You can usually do it that way .. but, in 1 game I had enough to charmed miranda/jack and still managed a full renegade bar at game's end.

[ResidentNoob]

Paragades.

So awesome, the game itself does not have the term, and we had to do it ourselves.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

But seriously, just because I wound up with a full Paragon bar doesn't mean that I couldn't headbutt Uvenk, break the merc's neck in Miranda's loyalty mission, or shoot the whiniest b**** in the galaxy in the foot, right?:innocent:

(On the other hand, I also told Jack to kill Aresh and got Jacob's dad to kill himself...)

[Tlazolteotl]

ResidentNoob wrote...
(On the other hand, I also told Jack to kill Aresh and got Jacob's dad to kill himself...)

Mordin said it best: "... sometimes execute dangerous people. Either way helps."

[Dreykov]

Paladus902 wrote...

HELL YEAH!

Just because I might help those less fortunate then myself and save hundreds of people from dying doesn't mean I won't push you out the window of a skyscraper if you get in my way. 

 

That and sometimes headbutting a Krogan is the best way to get the job done.

[Deco Bryl]

Hell, yes! I make choices as I see fit. That's the whole point of having separate morality meters. Only losers winners drink Paragade!

[implodinggoat]

That's almost always how I play. My Shepard is honorable and benevolent to the weak and the innocent; but I don't take **** and I have an anti-authoritarian streak a mile wide. In ME2 its even more essential to play this way, since a pure Paragon will end up doing **** like defending the Illusive Man, while a pure Renegade is basically a mindless puppet of the Illusive man. I just hate Cerberus so much that I'm not even sure I'll be able to get through a Renegade play through.

In ME1...  I saved the Rachni (extinction is very permanent) and saved the council (I prefer Alien beaureaucrats to human tyrants); but I also iced Fist and constantly smart assed the council.

In ME2.... I blew up the Collector base (I hate Cerberus) and discouraged the Quarians from going to war (they'd get their asses handed to them); but I also blew up the Geth base (brainwashing is unethical and I don't trust Legion enough to hand him an army.), told Jack off as much as the game would allow and of course smart assed the Illusive Man whenever possible (he was smart not to meet me in person, I would have done a lot more than talk).   

Modifié par implodinggoat, 16 mars 2010 - 01:50 .