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[MrBeardface]

 This is about Tali's loyalty quest on the Flotilla. When you require the evidence linking her father to illegal research she makes a very emotional [and hard to resist] case against revealing it to the Admirality. Also, it is something of a tradition in ME that a Red/Blue choice in a conversation will have a better outcome than any other response.

 But what if, despite all this, the right choice is to hand over the evidence of Tali's father's work? Sure, I feel bad already just bloody imagining her reaction ;P. But long term? ME3? It pretty much guarantees the plans for reaquiring the control over the Geth will come to nothing. It also makes peace between the Quarians and the true Geth more likely.

 Has Bioware messed with our minds? Is the bad option the right option?

[DarthCaine]

If you give the evidence, you don't gain Tali's loyalty

The best option is to charm/intimidate or stir up the crowd

[The Angry One]

Apparently presenting the evidence to the Quarians will destabilise them to a great degree.

Which means they have the political stability of Afghanistan. Honestly these people were screwed long before the Geth kicked them out.

[tdb023]

DarthCaine wrote...

If you give the evidence, you don't gain Tali's loyalty
The best option is to charm/intimidate or stir up the crowd

Yeah.

[Bigdoser]

Well if you hand over the evidence the qurian's will split in half and thats the last thing you need when the reapers are coming a race divided.

[Booglarize]

The Angry One wrote...

Apparently presenting the evidence to the Quarians will destabilise them to a great degree.
Which means they have the political stability of Afghanistan. Honestly these people were screwed long before the Geth kicked them out.

Is that a Taliban reference? If so, clever. 

[XX55XX]

But, the Quarians do deserve to know what happened on the Alarei.

[Mr Chr15topher]

If you kept the evidence between you and Tali, maybe yo could convince her to show it to the admiralty in ME3 as one of the ways to stop the war and help the quarians and geth find peace and fight the reapers together?

[tehprincessJ]

Doesn't Admiral Xen find out everything regardless? So it doesn't matter. I'd chose your actions based on Tali, nothing more.

[mortons4ck]

XX55XX wrote...

But, the Quarians do deserve to know what happened on the Alarei.

Not if it's going to lead them to an untimely destruction.

[The Angry One]

Taliban reference? Er..... yes. Sure why not.



As for how a paragon would do it, surely a paragon would have a duty to tell the truth. Rael was a war criminal and an incompetent bufoon who put the fleet in danger.

[MrBeardface]

Of course there is instability, this is big news. But why assume it's long-term? Quarians appear to have a pretty solid social structure, I doubt they would permanently split up - especially since it'd mean near certain death for everyone.



I agree with The Angry One that showing the evidence may in fact be the Paragon choice. Or should have been, at least. Tali's great and all that, but even as an all-out nice guy in my ME playthroughs I find it difficult to justify making such a huge decision purely based on a friendship with one of my crew members.

[InvaderErl]

The Angry One wrote...

As for how a paragon would do it, surely a paragon would have a duty to tell the truth. Rael was a war criminal and an incompetent bufoon who put the fleet in danger.

You mean lawful stupid, surely.

Rael's dead - he's already paid for his crimes.

[SovereignT]

Does seem amiss that turning in evidence in this case has no benefit and is strictly a lose-lose situation.



There should had been some plus, maybe some tech that you get..

[jklinders]

Perhaps it is in how you interpret the best good. It is quite clear to me that the Quarian Admiralty board consists of alien equivalents of the 3 stooges with Abbot and Costello rounding out the group. Busting that evidence out in a public trial should be a very destabilizing thing. It should have been privately shared, but I keep leaving that choice to Tali. I don't know what would happen to her loyalty if I privately tell Admiral Warmonger(can't remember his name) what really happened.

Frankly the Quariands need to do a clean sweep and get some level heads on that board.

[MrBeardface]

SovereignT wrote...

Does seem amiss that turning in evidence in this case has no benefit and is strictly a lose-lose situation.

There should had been some plus, maybe some tech that you get..

 It may be lose-lose in ME2, but I think it may be very much win-win in ME3.

[Asheer_Khan]

tehprincessJ wrote...

Doesn't Admiral Xen find out everything regardless? So it doesn't matter. I'd chose your actions based on Tali, nothing more.

What they were able to find was a shattered parts of the data so reconstruct them without single geth piece available and i am sure under high surveilance to not repeat Alarai history will be very difficult long term work.

Rael's work was intended as weapon against geth but what if his work can be redirected to much bigger and powerful threat?
Reapers are in majority of thier construction machines then what if Tali's father was able to fid something what after small tweak whit Legion's help for example this finding can be converted as weapon against Harbinger?

No... whit all respect for Tali Quarians would never survive open war whit geth and heck even Legion L - mission proves how almost impossible would be any attempt for Quarians to enter one of such geth stations "airs"space without being detected and very possible wiped out since Quarian ships don't have stealth systems because to transmit any kind of viruses would require to find similar as in case of heretics FTL terminal.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 11 mars 2010 - 04:25 .

[Booglarize]

tehprincessJ wrote...

Doesn't Admiral Xen find out everything regardless? So it doesn't matter. I'd chose your actions based on Tali, nothing more.

Yeah, that always bugged me. There really should have been some option to destroy the evidence altogether - much like with the genophage data on Mordin's loyalty mission. 

[Raphael diSanto]

The Angry One wrote...

Taliban reference? Er..... yes. Sure why not.

As for how a paragon would do it, surely a paragon would have a duty to tell the truth. Rael was a war criminal and an incompetent bufoon who put the fleet in danger.

Depends where that particular Paragon's loyalty lies.

A case can be made for both Paragons and Renegades acceeding to Tali's wishes. Paragons because they care about their crew members' well-being, and Renegades because they're objective enough to know that if Tali's distracted, she won't perform well under fire.

Digressing a bit, but this is why the Paragon/Renagade thing doesn't work that well - A large part of the time, the same action is taken, but the motivations behind it are different, and you can't test motivation in a computer game.

Modifié par Raphael diSanto, 11 mars 2010 - 04:48 .

[Computron2000]

MrBeardface wrote...
 Has Bioware messed with our minds? Is the bad option the right option?

Well turning over the evidence is a lawful/principled act but does not mean anything on a good/evil axis.

Best if you choose the choice that you feel more attractive to you without considering ME3. You'll won't find out any consequences associated with it for a long time anyway.

Rather than this particular choice, i'm thinking its more likely Mordin's mission will bite paragons in the ass

[inversevideo]

Don't get involved in a land war in asia.

Or in Quarian politics, as a non Quarian, could not hope to understand the complexity in less than the day or so you spend with the fleet.



The way I see it, you are there for Tali, period.

If you are not there for Tali, why did you divert time (and fuel) to get to the fleet?



If Tali does not want her father to be reviled as a monster, in Quarian history, then you should abide by her wishes. If you talk, to all the judges, before you leave for the Alarai, then you will have at least 3 possible choices, to help get Tali cleared, Para or Rene convo, or stir up the Conclave, in Tali's favor.

[Computron2000]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

MrBeardface wrote...
 Has Bioware messed with our minds? Is the bad option the right option?

Rather than this particular choice, i'm thinking its more likely Mordin's mission will bite paragons in the ass

We need that a little too don't we?  I mean just because a character is Paragon doesn't mean he/she is flawless concerning decisons and their ramifications right?

I'm expecting it actually. Which one will be the one that does that is up for debate but ME seems to me to be more supportive of non-pure paragons or renegades.