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[wonko33]

I've played through 4 of the 6 origins as of yet, Dwarf com, Mage, Dalish, Human noble, and I find the Dalish to be the least rewarding.

The other origins all seem to have more tie ins later on in the game, And I can tell by playing the game that the City elf and Dwarf Nobles will probably also have more story bits related to them as the story develops.

As far as I can tell,  the only Dalish parts that come back are, your friend becoming a darkspan as seen in the night attack on camp, and the possibility of getting land for the Dalish at the end. Did I miss something? I mean the "Nature of the beast" had very few tie ins your character compared to the Dwarf in Orzamar, or the Human noble and Denerim etc

Maybe the mage was the other one that was not really related to the story much either.

What do you guys think? did I miss some storyline with my Dalish? Which ones did you guys prefer? 

[CalJones]

Nope, you didn't miss anything. Going by various forum polls I've seen, the Dalish is generally perceived to be the least satisfying origin.



The mage origin plays a much bigger part when you do the Circle Tower, but the Dalish elves you encounter aren't even the same clan as the Dalish elf origin so it's not like you get to see your old friends again, even.

[Addai]

I think the mage origin is the one with the least amount of story. I found my Dalish run quite moving, also in its RP possibilities because of the rarity of having a Dalish warden.

[Johnny Jaded]

Nope, you're pretty much spot on. The Dalish is definitely lacking in terms of an emotional tie-in. Meeting Tamlen again is no more poignant than the Dwarf Noble meeting Gorim, or the mage meeting Jowan.

While the Human Noble clearly has the biggest tie-in, each of the other origins has an emotional tie-in to thier relevant area, except the Dalish that is. The most they get is a slightly warmer response from the Dalish clan in the Brecillian Forest and it plays out no differently than if you were an outsider

Modifié par Johnny Jaded, 11 mars 2010 - 07:07 .

[SurelyForth]

I hated everything about the Dalish origin (well, except maybe the part where you get to be funny during storytelling time). I thought Tamlen was an idiot, the plot was ridiculous and I find the Dalish to be the most boring of all the ethnic groups (despite the fact that their history is interesting). I was hoping to find motivation for my character in the origin and I absolutely did not. She got abandoned somewhere around Ostagar and it remains the only origin I haven't played through to completion.



The mage origin can feel a little tedious, but it never fails to light a fire under my PC's butt to get the heck out of that tower.

[ExistsAlready]

It doesn't help that Duncan has much better reasons to visit all of the other Origins looking for recruits. Or that it's the only Origin to skip out on the "You're such a great fighter" thing. He ends up recruiting you because you got the Darkspawn Taint off a mirror and you've got no other choice if you don't want to turn into a Ghoul.

[mousestalker]

I liked the Dalish origin. It's the obligatory generic origin. It is the weakest save for the Mage origin. But then again I like elves and I absolutely loathe Jowan (a distant second to Vaughan).



The Brecilian Dalish are generally friendly, which is nice. You get an awesome convo option with Zathrian. Seeing Tamlin was heartbreaking.



All the mage origin ever did was make me want to leave (as per SurelyForth) and be mean to Wynne (so not going back to the tower).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea I was underwhelmed by the origin, so I still have my Dalish character "on hold" so to speak.
It would have been much better had the Dalish origin took place in Zathrian's clan.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 11 mars 2010 - 07:39 .

[Addai]

ExistsAlready wrote...

It doesn't help that Duncan has much better reasons to visit all of the other Origins looking for recruits. Or that it's the only Origin to skip out on the "You're such a great fighter" thing. He ends up recruiting you because you got the Darkspawn Taint off a mirror and you've got no other choice if you don't want to turn into a Ghoul.

Actually I think the reverse.  I end up thinking in the human noble origin, for instance:  "If there is a darkspawn horde in the south, what is Duncan doing way out here recruiting??"  In the Dalish origin, he is tracking darkspawn in an area relatively close to where the horde has broken through.

Duncan also tells you that he would not have had a much harder time with the darkspawn in the ruins if you hadn't been there, so it is the one time that you (potentially) save his skin as well as him saving you.

[ExistsAlready]

He's up in Highever because Highever is supplying troops to the war effort and he wants to pick the cream of the crop.

[CalJones]

The mirror thing didn't sit well with me - it seemed very contrived. Ooh I caught the taint off a magic mirror! Right...



I actually liked the mage origin. I felt a lot of empathy for Jowan - the boy's in love and he finds out he'll be made tranquil. How awful is that? I couldn't let that happen to a friend.

For me, the Dalish origin just had no emotional pull whatsoever. Tamlen was a jerk with bad hair. I couldn't care less about what happened to him.

[wonko33]

I really tried to roleplay My Dalish, I fought as much as much I could at first because I would not go with Duncan (a human) on his say-so that I could not be helped by my elder.

I intended to play him as being very hateful toward humans, And the only one I befriended was Morrigan. My companions were Morrigan, Shale and Ohgren. But there were no occasions where being a Dalish was significant and it annoyed me because I thought the Dalish history was so rich and well written.

[mousestalker]

What the really good origins have in common are reasons to care about your friends and family. In the city elf origin you can wander around the Alienage and talk to the people. You can even solicit wedding presents out of drunks. Your father is there. As are two cousins. And it's explained that your marriage is an arranged one.



The dwarf origins are even more detailed. The DC family is believably dysfunctional. The DN origin is a mini epic. The Human origin is fun, up to a point. Ser Gilmore is a great guy. You can team up with Mom.



With the Dalish origin, they went through the motions. The Mage origin also feels scanty. I have absolutely no reason to like Jowan. With Gorim, Shianni, Soris, Ser Gilmore, Mom, and Leske you do things with them. You fight along side them. Shianni hits a lout with a bottle.



With Tamlin you can confront some shems and he touches the mirror. With Jowan, he shows up, says "Hi pal, I need you to help me escape 'cause I'm in love and they think I'm a blood mage (but I'm not, really!) and you'll be left holding the bag." We're given no reason to like, trust or aid him other than his assertion that we're friends.

[wonko33]

Yeah my DC story really got me involved and shaped the way I played the whole game. The reason I made the "ultimate sacrifice" was to insure safety for my sister and nephew. I did not feel that at all with my Dalish Elf, and from reading the DAO website before the game came out, he was really the one I was most looking forward to play. I really wonder what happened. Did his story get cut up during production? If I remember correctly, the person who wrote it is usually pretty good. Who was that again?

[wonko33]

I just looked it up and D Gaider wrote it, See that makes no sense, he wrote the Human noble and that one is awesome, something must have happened or they had to cut something, or he was rushed.

[Addai]

wonko33 wrote...

I just looked it up and D Gaider wrote it, See that makes no sense, he wrote the Human noble and that one is awesome, something must have happened or they had to cut something, or he was rushed.

Or you could just not have found something in it that others do??  Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad.

I loved my Dalish playthrough- it had a lot of emotional oomph, from beginning to end.  I haven't played a Dalish character since, because I don't want to spoil it.

[Addai]

ExistsAlready wrote...

He's up in Highever because Highever is supplying troops to the war effort and he wants to pick the cream of the crop.

I know there are rationales given in all the origins for why Duncan is where he is, but I'm saying the Dalish one seemed one of the more logical ones to me given what's happening in the south.

[Cypher0020]

I ran a Dalish and didn't even get past the intro -__-'



I'm have a blast with city elf, and mage isn't too shabby either



Not a fan of HN or DN, or Dalish really

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The Dalish is my least favorite as well. Elves in general don't interest me, but the Dalish origin was the worst, for me. It just lacked anything interesting. The NPCs, the backstory, the plot, ect. All fell flat. And of course, the Dalish quest was my least favorite, most tedious of the treaty quests.



The mage, for me, was by far more interesting. It didn't have any great emotional ties like other origins, but it gave a taste into the world of a gilded prison, with games between the Chantry and Circle, and the no-win scenario mages live in, plus the little bit on circle politics. Mages, in the whole story, are more tied in.



The dwarf Origins kicked ass.

[Cypher0020]

I tried to do my dwarf commoner... but... she's.... so.... short! Ack!



Maybe I'll reroll it again it again...



Do you prefer the commoner or noble? I think commoner since that's about as low as you go

[Sandtigress]

The Dalish is my all-time favorite - I've played through the origin four times for various reasons and still adore it. Funny how different things appeal to each of us, huh?



I suspect a large part is because my Dalish girl was already a character to me, before I really started her out. She already had a backstory and a relationship with Tamlen in my mind, and so I had a lot invested in it when she started. The origin was a framework but not her entire story.



And I got a lot of RP mileage out of her as well, more so that I felt for the mage background and maybe even the dwarf commoner. The only character I've had so far that I've had even close to the same emotional attachment is my HNF.

[Addai]

Sandtigress, did your Dalish elf (elves) romance Alistair? I am guessing, because of your signature. Mine did, too, and I think that was part of the bittersweetness of that playthrough.

[Sandtigress]

Oh, definitely, on both accounts, Addai. There was the fun of slowing down the romance because she was so unsure about loving a human, and then the very emotional bittersweetness of the end. She is my favorite and canon playthrough though, and I don't really see anything "wrong" about the romance ending on a note like that - starcrossed lovers who will always love each other even if they have to lead separate lives.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I tried to do my dwarf commoner... but... she's.... so.... short! Ack!

Maybe I'll reroll it again it again...

Do you prefer the commoner or noble? I think commoner since that's about as low as you go

Hard to choose, between the two. They are both pretty compelling, in their own ways. Dwarf noble is definitely the longest and most plot intensive of all the origins. Dwarf commoner is pretty harsh and pleasantly dysfunctional.

[Addai]

CalJones wrote...

The mirror thing didn't sit well with me - it seemed very contrived. Ooh I caught the taint off a magic mirror! Right...

And the strategically placed Tevinter statue in the mage basement isn't? 

I actually liked the mage origin. I felt a lot of empathy for Jowan - the boy's in love and he finds out he'll be made tranquil. How awful is that? I couldn't let that happen to a friend.
For me, the Dalish origin just had no emotional pull whatsoever. Tamlen was a jerk with bad hair. I couldn't care less about what happened to him.

Your Tamlen was my Jowan.  I sided with Jowan because my PC thought that was they were doing to him was wrong, but I found the character terribly annoying.  It's the only origin where, in the Gauntlet, my PC was thinking "oh it's you, neat trick," versus, say, my human noble who was a puddle of jelly at seeing Bryce Cousland's shadow.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 mars 2010 - 09:55 .