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[artmonster1967]

Xalm Grey wrote...

After reading this post i only can suggest two things:

1. Stop being so arrogant. People come here with an issue and instead of handing out any help you begin to pick apart their speech on internet forums. Aren't you showing us how its done.

2. Quit assuming people want the world to revolve around them when they make a complaint. Its a complaint which is an opinion, if you don't like it don't read it. But don't chide someone for complaining and claim they are trying to make the world revolve around them.

At the end of your very backhanded post don't try to add that you'll help if they concede something to you as you are assuming they are being petulant in some manner before you'll help. If you like playing the way you play that's great. Just don't run others down that disagree.

HEY !!!

you're running that guy down for disagreeing with someone who disagreed.

who's the arrogant one now Nancy ?

SHINANIGANS !!!!

[maladictor2009]

Here are some tips.



1. have a healer in your party (wynne or you ) dont use any permanent mana using spells. Go to you tactics place all tabs under (" ally less then 50% health ") all the way down, then use every healing spell wynne has there.



2. draw your enemy to you if you are outnumbered. Use bows with all melee characters and staves with your entire party then you can draw 3 at a time. (this is bug, but lessens gameplay issues as outnumbering)



3. Make a balanced party a good combination is. ("Warrior, Rogue; Mage, Mage ")



4. Do everything as it will make you stronger and make the game easier further way up.



5. Save alot and load if you think you have done something wrong. This usually happens in reputation conversations with your comrades.



6. Have sex with as many people in the game as you can. Pixel porn is the best......ohh i trailed of into porn again my apolegies.

[blackEyEz123]

Xalm Grey wrote...

cipher86 wrote...

After reading that rant, there are only two things I can suggest:

1. Learn the meaning of the words you're using before you speak them. It makes you sound silly when you use them inappropriately, again and again.

2. The world doesn't revolve around you. Maybe, just maybe, you plain suck at the game, and should look for another one. I'm in the same boat as Jack Momo, on Hard for 20ish hours and have never felt frustrated with the difficulty.

If you want some tips, be coherent and calm and I will answer. Otherwise, I will have to assume you're just throwing a tantrum.

After reading this post i only can suggest two things:

1. Stop being so arrogant. People come here with an issue and instead of handing out any help you begin to pick apart their speech on internet forums. Aren't you showing us how its done.

2. Quit assuming people want the world to revolve around them when they make a complaint. Its a complaint which is an opinion, if you don't like it don't read it. But don't chide someone for complaining and claim they are trying to make the world revolve around them.

At the end of your very backhanded post don't try to add that you'll help if they concede something to you as you are assuming they are being petulant in some manner before you'll help. If you like playing the way you play that's great. Just don't run others down that disagree.

Yeah im sick too of these people seeing the difficulty problem as being something offensive. We all state our oppinions here and i think these people of the new generation which only consist of elitism and have no respect of eachothers oppinion.

[eggdogg1234]

I just got with morrigan, and I had to have a smoke after.

[blackEyEz123]

Default137 wrote...

blackEyEz123 wrote...

Well im getting a little bit bored about people saying its easy because let me state some facts and these arent based on luck.

Im level 7 now and the NPCs available are a fighter, a offense mage and a rogue. I chose to be a fighter too (i always take melee character if i am not familiar with the ruleset and agro range)

Right now there the simple fact is that im only depending on health potions which vendors only sell by two! You can put any tactic in the game, be as hardcore as possible but if you dont have def spells, def potions its a 1+1=2 that bigger fights is just NOT possible.

You can go on and on how wussies we are, or that we dont micromanage enough, that we have to find a other easier game. But the simple fact is that the NPC's given to us, its just not possible to continue this game on normal mode.

Its not without thought that the D&D ruleset introduced us to a full cleric. Thats where the basics of defense comes from. Right now I just can run into a fight, I CANT use def spells because the NPC's doesnt have them. The only way to have a chance is start a healer character.

Its not without reason BG/NWN had spells like bless/sancuary. These are vital to survive at low levels. Maybe DAO becomes better when healer specialized become NPCs are introduced. I dont know right now.

I love DAO no doubt about that but Bioware took the cleric character not serious, and not untill they change this i will change the difficulty back to normal.

You have the following CC available to you no matter what at that point.

Dirty Fighting ( Leliana )
Pommel Strike ( Sten )
Petrify ( Morrigan )
Frost Shock ( or whatever its called ) ( Morrigan )
That fear thing Morrigan does ( Morrigan )
AoE Stun from Dog ( Dog )
Shield Bash ( Alistar )
Shield Pommel ( Alistar )

Thats not even COUNTING your main character, who should at this point if a Rogue have 1 extra form of CC, if a S&S Warrior have about two extra forms of CC, and if a 2H Warrior should have 1 form of CC, meaning if you play right, you can take 6 Enemies out of any fight right out of the bat, although they won't stay stunned forever.

If you use it correctly, you can keep at least 3-4 enemies chain stunned throughout an entire fight, it will be a bit difficult, but its doable, and can easily get you past most of the group fights in the game, as well as help keep the big Commanders down during a battle.

Normal is a bit out of wack, I agree, its a BIT tough for a Normal Difficulty, but its nowhere near as bad as many of you are making it sound, and if your really having this much trouble, then no offense, you are either letting your party members do whatever they want, or don't stunlock correctly, even just letting my party melee things mindlessly, I can take out 4-5 guys, which is what most fights turn out to be when you stunlock the other 3-5.

I totaly get your list of offensive tactics, and i agree with luck and enough pushing you can make it but from your list i see no defensive spell. How about a simple Heal? There are fighter def skills but i need something with more structure. Your list above works fine with battles with 3-5 critters but above that you need to invest more severly in defense. If you have a fighter battle 2 or more its law of Newton that you loose more health then you gain.

Like i said D&D saw this and introduced low level def spells that really made a difference.

Right now i had Morrigan learn her first heal spell and will focus on her becoming a healer and hope soon to go switch back to medium diff.

[artmonster1967]

blackEyEz123 wrote...


Yeah im sick too of these people....... 

...... these people of the new generation which only consist of elitism and have no respect of eachothers oppinion.

and yet....

here you are...slamming the other side as well.......

ironic, aint it?

.

[Xalm Grey]

artmonster1967 wrote...

Xalm Grey wrote...

After reading this post i only can suggest two things:

1. Stop being so arrogant. People come here with an issue and instead of handing out any help you begin to pick apart their speech on internet forums. Aren't you showing us how its done.

2. Quit assuming people want the world to revolve around them when they make a complaint. Its a complaint which is an opinion, if you don't like it don't read it. But don't chide someone for complaining and claim they are trying to make the world revolve around them.

At the end of your very backhanded post don't try to add that you'll help if they concede something to you as you are assuming they are being petulant in some manner before you'll help. If you like playing the way you play that's great. Just don't run others down that disagree.

HEY !!!

you're running that guy down for disagreeing with someone who disagreed.

who's the arrogant one now Nancy ?

SHINANIGANS !!!!

If you re-read the whole thing over you'll see i'm actually attacking him for attacking someone. Not disagreeing.


"who's the arrogant one now Nancy ?" - You for clearly misreading. Although ignorance might be a better term.

"SHINANIGANS !!!!" - I think not.

[blackEyEz123]

artmonster1967 wrote...

blackEyEz123 wrote...


Yeah im sick too of these people....... 

...... these people of the new generation which only consist of elitism and have no respect of eachothers oppinion.

and yet....

here you are...slamming the other side as well.......

ironic, aint it?

.

:whistle:hehehe aint falling for that trick, poor fella

[navlasop]

I have to agree its hard on normal. But after some restarting and getting to know the skills at my disposal (Horror - Morrigan - Sleep - Morrigan - Force Field - Morrigan) I now CC them to bits.

True, Shale is my tank, Ironheart and Bellow ftw ^^^, so my main rogue can backstab with no worries.



Viscount Thalvaus got it right, nice post mate

[ambrilthemage]

One mage with Cone of Cold can basically freeze down 3-4 enemies indefinitely. No reason to get overwhelmed, just come up with solutions.

[Noxxio]

I just killed a dragon on Nightmare difficulty (can't say which or it will be a major spoiler). Party line-up was: Sten, Leliana, Wynne and me (level 11 dwarf tank). This fight took me back to the BG2 days of slaying dragons like Firkraag. It took me about 3 tries and I shifted around some companions (I refused to use Shale for this since it would be too easy) but the victory was all the sweeter BECAUSE of the difficulty and the fact I had to be almost perfect to succeed. So, thank you Bioware for not making this game a walk in the park like KOTOR was.

Modifié par Noxxio, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:35 .

[artmonster1967]

Xalm Grey wrote...

artmonster1967 wrote...

Xalm Grey wrote...

After reading this post i only can suggest two things:

1. Stop being so arrogant. People come here with an issue and instead of handing out any help you begin to pick apart their speech on internet forums. Aren't you showing us how its done.

2. Quit assuming people want the world to revolve around them when they make a complaint. Its a complaint which is an opinion, if you don't like it don't read it. But don't chide someone for complaining and claim they are trying to make the world revolve around them.

At the end of your very backhanded post don't try to add that you'll help if they concede something to you as you are assuming they are being petulant in some manner before you'll help. If you like playing the way you play that's great. Just don't run others down that disagree.

HEY !!!

you're running that guy down for disagreeing with someone who disagreed.

who's the arrogant one now Nancy ?

SHINANIGANS !!!!

If you re-read the whole thing over you'll see i'm actually attacking him for attacking someone. Not disagreeing.


"who's the arrogant one now Nancy ?" - You for clearly misreading. Although ignorance might be a better term.

"SHINANIGANS !!!!" - I think not.

aw... did I hurt you poo-poo button?

lemme hold your hand through this:

i didnt misread baby cakes....and, for the sake of arguement, when does a misread make you arrogant in the first place ? lol

OK here goes...ready?...you said quote: "Just don't run others down that disagree"....and you were attacking him throughout your post.....uh...and that is 'running someone dow'n.....aint it? ....sooooooo.......you are doing the same thing to him that you were running him down about doing  ! .....and therefore  I again call Shinanigans  Shizzle dizzle !!.

Nya nya nya

whoa....  I didnt cornfuse you did I brah ?.

bless his heart.

[Damonicas]

It's a fine line isn't it for game developer's. Make it too easy and we get bored with it, make it too hard and we get frustrated with it. Personally I think they have it just right. I'm on normal mode though only level 7 at the moment am not having too much trouble yet. It took me 4 goes to kill the first Ogre in the game and consequently I will now treat them with a certain amount of respect and I laugh at my audacity in thinking I could 1 on 1 a Revenant but this is the way it should be and why I like it all the more. At the end of the day, if I admit defeat, I'll just try the game on easy and enjoy the story.

[Gacatar]

It's not Bioware's fault that you're bad.

Some people barely ever die on Hard, you know why? They know how to use crowd controls and healing(with spells, not just potions, that is).



Are you facing 8-10 enemies? Cast a Sleep in the middle. Or any other area effect spell. There are quite a few of them.

Let me guess, you're one of those guys only picked elemental spells on your mage.

[Viz79]

Im wondering whether I should crank it up to hard or something. I was playing on normal but defeated the ogre first go, only used a couple of healing potions in that encounter as well. Haven't had a single party wipe. Hmm. With everyone complaining about the games difficulty, I thought it would be difficult on normal but at the moment it seems to be on the easier side than I expected! Basically the way i enter encounters these days, I try not to use a healing potion at all, and if I end up using a couple, I'd consider it a difficult encounter. But I'd be annoyed if any of my guys actually went down! But Im early in the game so Ill see how it goes.



But I am playing very tactical - lots of CC use, positional rogue use and magic etc.

[cipher86]

blackEyEz123 wrote...

You can go on and on how wussies we are, or that we dont micromanage enough, that we have to find a other easier game. But the simple fact is that the NPC's given to us, its just not possible to continue this game on normal mode.

It is actually quite possible, and there are even people who play the game on Hard/Nightmare who are coming along quite nicely.  If you are playing smart, you can get by most battles without using a potion at all.

Since your skillset is limited early in the game, focus more on character placement and MOVEMENT more than simply relying on their (limited) skills and stats to carry you through.  You NEED to take a very active role in the combat, or yes, you will be having a very hard time with the game, even on Easy.

Tbh though, I'm wondering if Bioware should just make Easy mode so every character OHKOs any enemy they encounter, since that seems to be what a lot of the complainers were expecting.

Modifié par cipher86, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:55 .

[Jerviser]

I'm playing the game through on hard, first time playing through it. The only spot that I had issues was fighting the boss at the top of the mage tower....can't remember his name....he killed me about 8 times before I finally managed to beat him. Seriously though, if I wasn't dying on hard, I'd consider the game flawed.



So to you people who are having difficulty on easy/normal, spend some time reading through all of the rules a few times, make sure all of your characters have some kind of ranged weapon for pulling monsters. If you take a bit of time, set up your tactics carefully, pause the game on a regular basis and pay good attention to your characters health, you shouldn't have much of an issue with it

[Chris_Really_Rocks]

I have little sympathy for those who complain the game is too hard on normal . . . unless they tried easy and found it was too easy to be fun. I am playing on hard and have been frustrated a few times . . . which is fine. If it gets too hard for me, I'll temporarily turn down the difficulty to normal or easy for a bit.

Modifié par Chris_Really_Rocks, 08 novembre 2009 - 01:03 .

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Everytime I get into a rough spot that I'm having trouble with I'll pause the game for a bit and plan out some more intricate strategies. For example in this one area there were 3 doors leading into a room with 3 mages, a few swordsman and a couple archers in it. Previously I would rush in one door and just get annhilated but after a few failed attempts I tried splitting my party between two doors, having Oghren and Alistair come in from the left door (and alistair using an anti-mage ability) while Morrigan and my Rogue came in one the right, killing two of the mages practically instantly and the third going down to one of Morrigan's spells. After that it was a matter of backstabbing the swordsman as they aggro'd on Alistair while Morrigan kept everyone healed.



My point in this: It is nigh impossible to get into a battle that you both can't leave from and come back with more resources or one that you can't beat even with a weakened party. For example I had to face down a clever demon that would teleport away whenever melee characters tried to close in, forcing me to equip Zevran and my Rogue with bows and wittling him down while morrigan kept him from killing everyone with his ranged spells.



Also: to counter your argument of Grey Warden's being made out to be elite warriors (and your comparison to Spectre's) let me remind you that the Grey Warden's are also praised for their tactical prowess.



(also, learn herbalism or have a character that knows it (Morrigan) to craft you some potions)

[cipher86]

Xalm Grey wrote...

After reading this post i only can suggest two things:

1. Stop being so arrogant. People come here with an issue and instead of handing out any help you begin to pick apart their speech on internet forums. Aren't you showing us how its done.

2. Quit assuming people want the world to revolve around them when they make a complaint. Its a complaint which is an opinion, if you don't like it don't read it. But don't chide someone for complaining and claim they are trying to make the world revolve around them.

At the end of your very backhanded post don't try to add that you'll help if they concede something to you as you are assuming they are being petulant in some manner before you'll help. If you like playing the way you play that's great. Just don't run others down that disagree.

I didn't get the impression he wanted help at all.  I do think he came here just so he could ****** and moan.  I asked him to be calm and coherent if he wanted advice, because the original post makes very little sense (as is the case with tantrums) so that is the only thing I could offer at that point (and since he has not returned, it's impossible for me to offer anything further).

It doesn't bother me that he disagrees on the difficulty - what bothers me is the amount of people that come to these forums to kick and scream, just as he has.  The ones that are more calm and coherent with their frustrations do get my understanding and advice (if they ask for it), but I do not have much patience for these tantrums and will show it as I deem fit.  If that upsets you and you need to express it, that's fine, but it won't change my view of these things.

Modifié par cipher86, 08 novembre 2009 - 01:10 .

[Xalm Grey]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Everytime I get into a rough spot that I'm having trouble with I'll pause the game for a bit and plan out some more intricate strategies. For example in this one area there were 3 doors leading into a room with 3 mages, a few swordsman and a couple archers in it. Previously I would rush in one door and just get annhilated but after a few failed attempts I tried splitting my party between two doors, having Oghren and Alistair come in from the left door (and alistair using an anti-mage ability) while Morrigan and my Rogue came in one the right, killing two of the mages practically instantly and the third going down to one of Morrigan's spells. After that it was a matter of backstabbing the swordsman as they aggro'd on Alistair while Morrigan kept everyone healed.

My point in this: It is nigh impossible to get into a battle that you both can't leave from and come back with more resources or one that you can't beat even with a weakened party. For example I had to face down a clever demon that would teleport away whenever melee characters tried to close in, forcing me to equip Zevran and my Rogue with bows and wittling him down while morrigan kept him from killing everyone with his ranged spells.

Also: to counter your argument of Grey Warden's being made out to be elite warriors (and your comparison to Spectre's) let me remind you that the Grey Warden's are also praised for their tactical prowess.

(also, learn herbalism or have a character that knows it (Morrigan) to craft you some potions)

I think really what we are seeing across these forums isn't as much a "difficulty" issue as much as people were expecting the AI to behave more like recent games. Such as KOTOR or ME. Heck i know i was. I myself didnt expect so much micro-managment. I'd have rather blew through the fighting to enjoy the story honestly. I prefer the dialogue areas over combat in this game ( much like i did ME, although ME's combat was fun too).

Would be awesome if they released a patch that did infact allow people to play through with AI like that of ME if we so chose. I doubt they will take away the ability to micro-manage like some people like to do which is great for some but not for all of us. I would like to enjoy the story without having to analyze a fight to death and then handle each character one by one so i can continue with the story.

[Xalm Grey]

cipher86 wrote...

Xalm Grey wrote...

After reading this post i only can suggest two things:

1. Stop being so arrogant. People come here with an issue and instead of handing out any help you begin to pick apart their speech on internet forums. Aren't you showing us how its done.

2. Quit assuming people want the world to revolve around them when they make a complaint. Its a complaint which is an opinion, if you don't like it don't read it. But don't chide someone for complaining and claim they are trying to make the world revolve around them.

At the end of your very backhanded post don't try to add that you'll help if they concede something to you as you are assuming they are being petulant in some manner before you'll help. If you like playing the way you play that's great. Just don't run others down that disagree.

I didn't get the impression he wanted help at all.  I do think he came here just so he could ****** and moan.  I asked him to be calm and coherent if he wanted advice, because the original post makes very little sense (as is the case with tantrums) so that is the only thing I could offer at that point (and since he has not returned, it's impossible for me to offer anything further).

It doesn't bother me that he disagrees on the difficulty - what bothers me is the amount of people that come to these forums to kick and scream, just as he has.  The ones that are more calm and coherent with their frustrations do get my understanding and advice (if they ask for it), but I do not have much patience for these tantrums and will show it as I deem fit.  If that upsets you and you need to express it, that's fine, but it won't change my view of these things.

We can agree to disagree on some points i guess. But i do agree with your feelings on the random complaining with no constructive input added. Not to mention the sheer number of trolls on these forums which suprised me. The old NWN bioware site i used to visit is nothing like this one is. People for the most part were polite and trolling wasn't like this.

[cipher86]

Xalm Grey wrote...

I think really what we are seeing across these forums isn't as much a "difficulty" issue as much as people were expecting the AI to behave more like recent games. Such as KOTOR or ME. Heck i know i was. I myself didnt expect so much micro-managment. I'd have rather blew through the fighting to enjoy the story honestly. I prefer the dialogue areas over combat in this game ( much like i did ME, although ME's combat was fun too).

Would be awesome if they released a patch that did infact allow people to play through with AI like that of ME if we so chose. I doubt they will take away the ability to micro-manage like some people like to do which is great for some but not for all of us. I would like to enjoy the story without having to analyze a fight to death and then handle each character one by one so i can continue with the story.

I agree.  It never hurts to have a larger fanbase, and if it takes reducing the difficulty of Easy even further, so be it.  There is Hard and Nightmare for those who want a challenge, and Easy could be made so easy that my grandma could play it, but at least it would have her playing.

[Ceskay]

I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I'm getting slaughtered by that damn ogre. My lockpicking was too low to open most of the chests, so I'm low on potions, and if there's a strat I should be using, it must have eluded me. I love a challenge as much as the next person, but combat in this game is just a ball of frustration. Very disappointing after the joy of Mass Effect.

[Haladra]

Cone of cold is your friend, mate