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[eisc0rn]

TopUSGun wrote...

eisc0rn wrote...

Valve revealed that their new dlc for l4d2 will be free as usual.
If only every game developer was like valve.

It's really not the developer that dictates DLC prices, it's the publishers.

EA is also valve's publisher as far as I know

[PARAGON87]

Musa25 wrote...

Hi everyone, I have a few questions about this DLC, could anyone tell me:

1) how long is it supposed to last?
2) if there's a possible romance between Shepard and Kasumi?
3) are there going to be any dialogues or is it like Zaeed and his boring monologues?

Thanks to those who'll take time to answer.

And regarding the DLC-matter, I have just one thing to say: yes, it's annoying to make people pay for additional content, especially when one knows that this kind of practice did not exist before... bu on the other hand, if you think it's worthless, just don't buy and stop complaining 'cause it's useless.

1. About an hour and a half

2. Unknown, there's no dialogue wheel when you're going to talk to Kasumi in the Normandy, so I would say there isn't a good chance because of that fact.

3. Answered with #2, I don't know if it's going to be boring because supposedly there's a bar in the room:O.

[eisc0rn]

About an hour and a half?
pff save those 7 bucks or whatever that dlc costs and go watch a movie with your girlfriend.

Modifié par eisc0rn, 15 mars 2010 - 01:52 .

[PARAGON87]

eisc0rn wrote...

About an hour and a half?
pff save those 7 bucks or whatever that dlc costs and go watch a movie with your girlfriend.

Well, don't forget, you get a new character you can take around with you THE WHOLE GAME.  Supposedly she's like Zaeed where you can interact in conversations in missions and stuff, just quizzically not on the Normandy.

EDIT: And the whole $7 isn't official anymore, the price is still up in the air. 

EDIT DEUX:  What the hell??   It's back up to 560 again!?  masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kasumi_Goto

Modifié par PARAGON87, 15 mars 2010 - 01:59 .

[jamskinner]

SethSteiner wrote...

Kasumi was known month ago - fact!
Kasumi was developed long time ago and parts of her are already on disc - fact!
Kasumi`s place is obvious in the character tab, just like Zaeeds
Kasumi won`t have any dialouge after the mission - fact!
Kasumi is no LI, has no arguments with other teammembers, gives no updates and so adds nothing to the game - fact!


This DLC seems to be, just like every single other DLC, already a part of the game. But to top that, it`s again shortend and so has nothing to do with a roleplaying game, with character development, with dialouges.

Why should I pay for something that I already paid with the purchase of the game?

Hey, then don't.  By the way, why don't you wait and see how big the download actually is.  If it is tiny your argument is justified.  If it is not then you are just a braying jackass.

P.S.  Better yet see how the size compares to DA:O awakenings or some other DLC like Bethesdas.

Modifié par jamskinner, 15 mars 2010 - 01:59 .

[jamskinner]

SethSteiner wrote...

Yes DLC`s expand the game, but they just expand it to the level it was before they excluded it from the original game. It was obvious in Dragon Age, it`s obvious in Mass Effect 2. You need to be blind, if you can`t see that the whole DLC is a disaster that is against everything gamers want. Full games.

So, what is a full game?  Please quantify this for me.  I would like to know.
Also, if you were in charge of a game company, how would you do it differently?  Please be specifc.  Don't just say something like I would not cut content from the game and use it as DLC.

[eisc0rn]

PARAGON87 wrote...

eisc0rn wrote...

About an hour and a half?
pff save those 7 bucks or whatever that dlc costs and go watch a movie with your girlfriend.

Well, don't forget, you get a new character you can take around with you THE WHOLE GAME.  Supposedly she's like Zaeed where you can interact in conversations in missions and stuff, just quizzically not on the Normandy.

so what if you can take her around THE WHOLE GAME.  Screw the game and go out with your girlfriend. 

paying for short ass dlc sucks, period.

Modifié par eisc0rn, 15 mars 2010 - 02:35 .

[Warlock Angel22]

First off, let me say thanks to Bioware for keeping it coming. ME2 is a great game and I'm glad it's getting the support that ME1 didn't get through dlc. I'll be picking up Kasumi on day one and I'll probably save my Hammerhead dl just for her...and Legion. Sweet combo, I'm sure.



My only problem is that, if the reports are correct, she will have dialogue like Zaeed. I wish she had fleshed out dialogue like Jack and Samara, both of whom had touching back stories. I wish Zaeed would have had back story dialogue because he reminds me so much of Canderous and you know he would have had some great war stories. But that's all I can complain about.



To see people complaining about free dlc and a new character is really ridiculous. One, you don't have to dl any of it and two, people would complain if Bioware delivered no dlc. Bioware is trying to keep people interested by giving away free content on a game that has only been out less than TWO months. Most games don't deliver anything if at all until six months later.



Now they have decided to deliver a new character, weapons and quest for a price and people complain. Remember you get more for your money because you bought a game with high replayability. I've already played the game three times and I'm on my fourth play through, which I've put on hold for FFXIII, but now I'll have reason to get back into my playthrough. That's well worth $60.00.



And for those of you who are complaining about stuff already being in the game and being cut, one you don't proof that anything was cut. But code being in the game helps for when you are going to release dlc in the future. If they wait, then it takes longer to release the dlc. To be honest, if I were a game developer, I would take the risk and complete my game and all the dlc at the same time. Especially since dlc has become a common part of the gaming cycle, it would be easy to have all the voice actors and designers available at the same time. So I see no comspiracies in a few bits of code.



But I think people just need to calm down and give Bioware a chance to create more larger pieces of dlc. Remember, the game came out on 01-26-10. It would be nice to get a long piece of dlc but man you got to give them time to create it.

[samuraix87]

if you go intothe me2 section there is a thread about new alt costumes for thane jack and garrus that could come with the kasumi dlc

[SethSteiner]

jamskinner wrote...

So, what is a full game?  Please quantify this for me.  I would like to know.
Also, if you were in charge of a game company, how would you do it differently?  Please be specifc.  Don't just say something like I would not cut content from the game and use it as DLC.

A full game is a game with everything in it what was imagined, designed and supposed to be in the game. So every PreOrder, Promotion and day 1 DLC is a part of the game and needs to be on the disc. Everything that is developed in the same month with release needs to be on disc, even if they had to move the release date to the future. I want a full game like in the old days and these old days are just a few years ago, not a decade.
If I would be in charge of a game company, I would never sell any DLC, not on day 1, not in three or sex month, never. I would give out patches with new things but not as early as it is done today and I would press these extras with the release of a new and big addon, so the fans have everything massed in there shelves. Why should I react in the same way BioWare does? Even as a developer or CEO I am still a gamer. I would still want a complete product and not to collect everything like a puzzle game. It`s a really ****ty development at the moment and the industry has lost any trust, especially after they attacked my rights as a customer to sell my product. I don`t care if I just purchase a freakin licence, it`s my game, like I am sitting on my chair. The industry has crossed a line, I shall never believe them, until they make a shift in there politics.

[iNixiRir]

So, she's 25 years old. Guess that makes her young and not old as some people here implied.



Me was righty again! Now lets hope I'm right with the other bull**** I told in previous posts.

[ObserverStatus]

Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but isn't Shepard in enough trouble already in enough trouble without filling the Normandy with priceless stolen art?

[zicolofoo]

i wish it'll be free for cerberus member, if not, 400 points, perhaps?

i think ME3 will be very interesting if we get all these 12 plus those from ME1 all together for the final installment. even more interesting with the various plots among all these members.

[jbadm04]

Adakutay wrote...

 

cruc1al wrote...

Doesn't affect the calculations, as long
as you play through kasumi as many times as you play through the main
game.

No it does. Video games are different then entertaiments like cinema. They have replayability or/and multi-player.
If you calculate the price of a video game or its DLC through play hours then I wonder does Modern Warfare 2 worth 8 bucks to you?

There are six character classes which offer utterly new play styles plus all of them can build-up differently by the player and also game can be played with different moral choices.

And you still insist on appraising the  game for one playthrough?../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

it does not. so I replay ME2 3 times for roughly 40hrs each, so we have 120hrs gametime for roughly 40 bucks. this is 0,33/1hr, you can go up to 160hrs, then its 0,25/1hr. then for the kasumi dls you have 1.5 hrs gametime for around 0,37bucks and if you play 4 times, you are back to 1,50. There is no difference on it.

on the other side, when you replayed ME2 3 times up to now, will you replay again 3 times just because kasumi, and again a couple of weeks later for another dlc?

[PillarBiter]

Imho, it should have been free, but I'm not complaining. ME2's just too good, with or without kasumi. But if she's anywhere near as funny as Z-dawg (zaeed), it'll be worth it.

[TJSolo]

GothamLord wrote...
EA/BioWare sees no money what-so-ever on the sale of used games. But I guess screwing the developers, the publishers and all the other people involved in getting the game on the shelf is okay ,so long as we can save 10 bucks at most from the used price that GameStop stamps on it at this point in time. You as a gamer are not supporing them getting the game used, you are supporing the used game industry and nothing else.

So what!
No company recieves money from used sales of their products unless they are actually in the used sales market. Why the hell should gaming be an exception?
They get their money from the new game market and DLC.

And having customers without LIVE or internet connection isnt screwing them as well? They are losing part of their customer base to try and market to for those that don't have some sort of web access. But I guess its okay to screw companies by taking away a portion of their consumer base.

With the internet still be classifed as a luxury in the States, yes.
If the customers don't have the interent they are not part of the DLC customer base, but still get still get functionally treated as pirates.

The games original content does not change without the DLC.  It functions just fine without it.  The Mass Effect 2 experience is still there.  The DLC adds onto it and expands it.    Not having it doesnt screw anyone.  You got the game you paid for originally.  I know as a gamer I dont feel screwed by the addition of DLC  be it free or paid.

The content does get changes. Even a BW guy came in and said the content at the time was not ready so it caught cut. Prior to DLC if the content like completing the Dirty Dozen or providing promised vehicular combat weren't done then the game pushed back(sadly) until x and y, if important enough got done.
With DLC it brings the benefits to developers of cutting content that is not done only to provide it as DLC.
The current DLC up until Kasumi feels to me like completion of the planned game from E3 09 not adding to it but completing.

[Orfinn]

nelly21 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Great, they're going to charge for stuff they cut out of the game

You're an up person in everyday life aren't you?

So you turn on one who are sceptic, what makes you then? Asslicker? Not to be rude. But as long as we get blown over ledges by new content most are easly swayed to pay for something they shouldnt. Cut content should not be payed for if because of dirty business tactics. I just hope the Hammerhead DLC will be free then.

And I hope Kasumi will look like an Asian of sorts or yet again we will have another "Zaeed" Which I htought would kinda look beardy and arabian like

Modifié par Orfinn, 15 mars 2010 - 09:01 .

[jamskinner]

SethSteiner wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

So, what is a full game?  Please quantify this for me.  I would like to know.
Also, if you were in charge of a game company, how would you do it differently?  Please be specifc.  Don't just say something like I would not cut content from the game and use it as DLC.

A full game is a game with everything in it what was imagined, designed and supposed to be in the game. So every PreOrder, Promotion and day 1 DLC is a part of the game and needs to be on the disc. Everything that is developed in the same month with release needs to be on disc, even if they had to move the release date to the future. I want a full game like in the old days and these old days are just a few years ago, not a decade.
If I would be in charge of a game company, I would never sell any DLC, not on day 1, not in three or sex month, never. I would give out patches with new things but not as early as it is done today and I would press these extras with the release of a new and big addon, so the fans have everything massed in there shelves. Why should I react in the same way BioWare does? Even as a developer or CEO I am still a gamer. I would still want a complete product and not to collect everything like a puzzle game. It`s a really ****ty development at the moment and the industry has lost any trust, especially after they attacked my rights as a customer to sell my product. I don`t care if I just purchase a freakin licence, it`s my game, like I am sitting on my chair. The industry has crossed a line, I shall never believe them, until they make a shift in there politics.

So, you are going to spend millions of dollars after release on things you are never going to make money on.  O.K.  Put your money where your mouth is.  Do you do that at your current job?  Have you ever done that?
Second question.  Do you or have you ever given to charity?  If not why not? 
My guess(I could be wrong) is no.  Remeber this is there job, not their life.  They have to make money.  If Bioware/EA was actually making a lot of money you might have a decent case, but they haven't made a profit for about a year.  They have been losing money.  
 
My opinion is that for some reason you feel entitled to something that is not neccessarily yours.  There developers are just not some faceless company.  They actually have families that eat real food, like to have houses and other such things.  Remever you live in a capitalistic society.  That gives you all the power.  You don't have to give people your money.  Rather then complain and think up conspiracy theories, why don't you just be a little more descretionary with your money.

[Drakron]

jamskinner wrote...

So, you are going to spend millions of dollars after release on things you are never going to make money on.  O.K. 

http://news.cnet.com...0106612-17.html

That is how it works.

Makes sense? not really but entertaiment is a risk ... why should the videogame industry get a free pass? the same happens with the music (why you think we have just about 3 groups) and cinema.

Also before you start to harp about "the poor developers" let me remind you that the gaming industry have a "revolting door" hiring policy, people get hired, work on a expecific title, get fired after its completed/canceled, repeat ... EA does that a lot (around chrismas too so it looks good in the reports).

[A.N.A.N]

About people quoting the Mass Effect Wiki listing the price at 560 MS Points, theres no source to that price. All three(!) articles linked have no mention of any price whatsoever. It's still up in the air folks.

[GothamLord]

This is one of the articles the 560 price came from, this has been floating around since all the other ones.



http://translate.goo...nKyGaIHyzWx-Y8Q

[BlackFox26]

Well this is gonna be fantastic. Definitely gonna buy this and whooever doesn't..

DONT BE CHEAP.

Anyway first thing i noticed about the name that shocked me was Goto.

And.. i read the mass effect books and in Mass effect: Ascension there is a character.

dont want to spoil anything, but

its a quarian named goto.. idk if Kasumi.. is .. the same one, but WHOAH

we see a quarian with buffed up immune system and without a mask or..

its just a different goto and .. not quarian.. and just awesome anyway

[MaaZeus]

BlackFox26 wrote...

Well this is gonna be fantastic. Definitely gonna buy this and whooever doesn't..

DONT BE CHEAP.

Anyway first thing i noticed about the name that shocked me was Goto.

And.. i read the mass effect books and in Mass effect: Ascension there is a character.

dont want to spoil anything, but

its a quarian named goto.. idk if Kasumi.. is .. the same one, but WHOAH

we see a quarian with buffed up immune system and without a mask or..

its just a different goto and .. not quarian.. and just awesome anyway

Problem is not "being cheap". Some people are just questioning if its worth putting money on another Zaeed, because apparently thats what she is going to be.

AND Kasumi is human, not quarian. Five fingers and normal legs are sort of give-away.

[KironDrayga]

So, do we know yet whether our characters who've already finished their ME2 games can still recruit Kasumi after the game's final mission?

...It'd stink if at least two of my five (yes, five, I've played ME1 and ME2 with every class except Sentinel) Shepards wouldn't be able to recruit her.

[GothamLord]

Yes you can recruit her if you've already completed the main game (Suicide Mission). Just like you can continue to do other side missions after the main game, assuming you didnt complete them all before hand.