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@The People Telling Others Not To Whine: STFU.

People have a right to whine about paying for content that was cut from the original game. Kasumi was supposed to be in the game from the beginning. Now we have to pay for her. That is a total cash-grab from BioWare.

What I would not mind paying for would be additional missions, story driven content, pre-order-CE weapons, explorable planets, and more Hammerhead missions than the coming 5.

I however will NOT buy Kasumi. And I would rather the whole community boycott this content to show BioWare that it IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to charge for content that was supposed to be in the damn game from the beginning.

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Not sure I'll buy it. I don't like the episodic nature of DLC. I would rather fork out forty bucks for a full on expansion.

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Just_mike wrote...

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I dont do online paying...Are you saying I cant buy it?


From the DA:O FAQ
"How Do I Get BioWare Points?

You can buy BioWare Points online from the Dragon Age Store by using your credit card, PayPal account or other online payment method depending on your region of the world. BioWare may also award points through special promotions via community activity."

So to the best of my knowledge, no I'm afraid not. Do you not use any online payment methods? They accept PayPal and something called a paysafe card (which I presume is a pre-pay credit card that you top up in a shop and then use on-line for risk free shopping) may be worth looking into.
edit:piqued my own curiosity and googled it it's a card you buy in a shop, don't know if it's the UK equivalent of that "supermegagame card" or whatever it was you mentioned, you'll have to go to the buy points page and check what options you get,

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I'll be honest, I agree with you on principles. However, do you honestly think people won't buy it because of a forum thread? Nevermind that the majority of the players don't read the forums, the fact is most people want more content - simple as that. They'll pay because they love the game.



I'd agree it's very shoddy of BioWare, but we got off lightly from the Evil Empire of EA taking over, this is a small price to pay in comparrison to what they did to other developers.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@The People Telling Others Not To Whine: STFU.

People have a right to whine about paying for content that was cut from the original game. Kasumi was supposed to be in the game from the beginning. Now we have to pay for her. That is a total cash-grab from BioWare.

What I would not mind paying for would be additional missions, story driven content, pre-order-CE weapons, explorable planets, and more Hammerhead missions than the coming 5.

I however will NOT buy Kasumi. And I would rather the whole community boycott this content to show BioWare that it IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to charge for content that was supposed to be in the damn game from the beginning.


Street fighter 4 did exactly the same thing with alternative outfits for the characters. Fans were pissed. And lo and behold, the devs came back with a sheepish grin on their face in Super Street fighter 4, offering ALL content from the get go, and at reduced cost.

Not entirely to be forgiven IMO, but Bioware should take note. If Kasumi is already programed into the game, this is a cheap tactic.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@The People Telling Others Not To Whine: STFU.

People have a right to whine about paying for content that was cut from the original game. Kasumi was supposed to be in the game from the beginning. Now we have to pay for her. That is a total cash-grab from BioWare.

What I would not mind paying for would be additional missions, story driven content, pre-order-CE weapons, explorable planets, and more Hammerhead missions than the coming 5.

I however will NOT buy Kasumi. And I would rather the whole community boycott this content to show BioWare that it IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to charge for content that was supposed to be in the damn game from the beginning.

There is a difference between voicing discontent and whining like a toddler.

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Think about it for a second you pay $10 to go to a movie unless your paying for your gf or douche friends who can't pay themselves then you paying even more for an 1 1/2 to 3 hours I think anything costing up to $10 is completely reasonable.

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it is funny to see people get literally furious over stuff they have zero knowledge or authority over. no one knows what was cut from the "original" body of work. not a single person in this thread does.



anyone who has any opinion formed about content being "cut" is basing their opinion on assumptions or the assumptions of other people.



it is funny to observe

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

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Great, they're going to charge for stuff they cut out of the game


You're an up person in everyday life aren't you?

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist


^This

Cerberus Network members still haven't gotten their money's worth, especially if you bought it for 15 bucks. 2 heavy weapons, 1 armor set, Hammerhead, and Normandy for $15? That's a ripoff. I paid 20 bucks for both Point Lookout and Broken Steel for Fallout 3 and that's easily 15-20 extra hours of gameplay, several dozen new weapons and armor pieces, a higher level cap, dozens of new enemies, and the ability to continue from the end of the original Fallout 3. That's a good deal, and therefore being charged even 5 bucks for Kasumi (1.5 hours of gameplay) seems like a terrible deal.


Have to concur with this gentlemen.

BioWare, I am disappoint.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@The People Telling Others Not To Whine: STFU.

People have a right to whine about paying for content that was cut from the original game. Kasumi was supposed to be in the game from the beginning. Now we have to pay for her. That is a total cash-grab from BioWare.

What I would not mind paying for would be additional missions, story driven content, pre-order-CE weapons, explorable planets, and more Hammerhead missions than the coming 5.

I however will NOT buy Kasumi. And I would rather the whole community boycott this content to show BioWare that it IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to charge for content that was supposed to be in the damn game from the beginning.


You have a right yes but what exactly is the logic behind it? What do you think it's going to achieve?

The content is done, it'll be available April 6th. The whole "I think the whole community needs to boycott this" is a pipe dream, because most people don't care either way.

Just don't buy it, it's possible those lost sales will stand out, and Bioware will take a different approach in the future. Not likely, considering the critical acclaim and sales of the game....but I guess it's better than nothing.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@The People Telling Others Not To Whine: STFU.

People have a right to whine about paying for content that was cut from the original game. Kasumi was supposed to be in the game from the beginning. Now we have to pay for her. That is a total cash-grab from BioWare.

What I would not mind paying for would be additional missions, story driven content, pre-order-CE weapons, explorable planets, and more Hammerhead missions than the coming 5.

I however will NOT buy Kasumi. And I would rather the whole community boycott this content to show BioWare that it IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to charge for content that was supposed to be in the damn game from the beginning.


Your loss :) I don't consider it content stripped from the game - I consider it stuff they already had planned post-game finish and laid the groundwork for.

You have every right to express yourself, but the way you do defines whether it's a genuine and well received complaint or just knee-jerking. The last statement is definitely knee-jerking. You have no proof one way or another this was original content scheduled for the game or if it was DLC to begin with.

In closing - you have every right to avoid paying for it, but not a right to tell anyone to boycott it. I'll be picking it up and supporting Bioware, who has thus far made good on their DLC promises in my eyes.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@The People Telling Others Not To Whine: STFU.

People have a right to whine about paying for content that was cut from the original game. Kasumi was supposed to be in the game from the beginning. Now we have to pay for her. That is a total cash-grab from BioWare.

What I would not mind paying for would be additional missions, story driven content, pre-order-CE weapons, explorable planets, and more Hammerhead missions than the coming 5.

I however will NOT buy Kasumi. And I would rather the whole community boycott this content to show BioWare that it IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to charge for content that was supposed to be in the damn game from the beginning.


You STFU.

You think anyone cares that you're not going to buy Kasumi? You really think boycotting this is a good idea, yet an effective one?

crackseed, you took the words right out of my mouth.

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Also while we're in "complain mode" I'm a lot more upset with Bioware not letting us recruit team mates in any order....which given the dialogue files was obviously possible in some version of the game....than I am with them cutting an obviously not complete DLC character like Kasumi. People are acting like her content is 100% done and locked away somewhere in the game just because they found a half ass model and some dialogue.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@The People Telling Others Not To Whine: STFU.

People have a right to whine about paying for content that was cut from the original game. Kasumi was supposed to be in the game from the beginning. Now we have to pay for her. That is a total cash-grab from BioWare.

What I would not mind paying for would be additional missions, story driven content, pre-order-CE weapons, explorable planets, and more Hammerhead missions than the coming 5.

I however will NOT buy Kasumi. And I would rather the whole community boycott this content to show BioWare that it IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to charge for content that was supposed to be in the damn game from the beginning.


It doesn't matter what was cut and what was not. Bioware released a game and it was their decision what to include and what to exclude. It's their decision to make and not yours. It's like that for every game. Deal with it.

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I bought the game new, which means I got Cerberus Network for free. That means I've gotten two heavy weapons, one NPC and his mission, the Hammerhead, the Normandy and the armour set for FREE. So I have no complaints. Anyone who paid $15 for Cerberus also bought the game used, and thus saved money on that.

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I'll be picking it up and supporting Bioware, who has thus far made good on their DLC promises in my eyes.


I agree, I don't know any other game to release so much DLC so quickly and frequently in the entire history of video games.

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it is funny to see people get literally furious over stuff they have zero knowledge or authority over. no one knows what was cut from the "original" body of work. not a single person in this thread does.

anyone who has any opinion formed about content being "cut" is basing their opinion on assumptions or the assumptions of other people.

it is funny to observe


If you truely believe this then you are either a mindless sheep or a complete idiot. To think... all you have to do is open up files with Notepad++ and see all the hidden and tucked away coding and files for Kasumi. That and it's pretty much been proven throughout the community that Kasumi at one point existed in the original game with nearly completed files.

BioWare cut her from the game to finish and polish the content, and now they are charging us for something that was already, at one point in developement, in the game.

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which whine is whinier?

A: Whiners whining.

B: Whiners whining about the whiners that are whining.

C: Me whining about the whiners whining about the whiners, who are whining.



D'ya see? XD

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scyphozoa wrote...

it is funny to see people get literally furious over stuff they have zero knowledge or authority over. no one knows what was cut from the "original" body of work. not a single person in this thread does.

anyone who has any opinion formed about content being "cut" is basing their opinion on assumptions or the assumptions of other people.

it is funny to observe


Saw the cut SF4 files for myself, but I wasn't going to meddle with them. You're being niave if you don't realize publishers have been pulling this trick for a while.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

it is funny to see people get literally furious over stuff they have zero knowledge or authority over. no one knows what was cut from the "original" body of work. not a single person in this thread does.

anyone who has any opinion formed about content being "cut" is basing their opinion on assumptions or the assumptions of other people.

it is funny to observe


If you truely believe this then you are either a mindless sheep or a complete idiot. To think... all you have to do is open up files with Notepad++ and see all the hidden and tucked away coding and files for Kasumi. That and it's pretty much been proven throughout the community that Kasumi at one point existed in the original game with nearly completed files.

BioWare cut her from the game to finish and polish the content, and now they are charging us for something that was already, at one point in developement, in the game.




Hi, please don't call me a sheep or an idiot. I don't care about your opinions but you think you can add some kind of validity to your argument by insulting people who disagree with you and you are very sadly mistaken. Since I don't care about your opinion I don't take offense, but you don't have the right to address anyone on these forums in that manner.

furthermore, you are not a developer at Bioware, so you do have the authority to declare what was designed for what purpose. I find it funny you refer to lines of code for Kasumi but if she was available to use for the entire game people would have already cracked it or accessed it. People have no unlocked a playable Kasumi because she is not in the original code beyond the suicide mission. Clearly you are speculating and assuming, at best.

Please, until you have facts, do not make factual claims.

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scyphozoa wrote...

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I'll be picking it up and supporting Bioware, who has thus far made good on their DLC promises in my eyes.


I agree, I don't know any other game to release so much DLC so quickly and frequently in the entire history of video games.


It is simple when content is already partially included in the "finished" product.
You could argue they are primer files, but you would have to be in the know to know.

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which whine is whinier?
A: Whiners whining.
B: Whiners whining about the whiners that are whining.
C: Me whining about the whiners whining about the whiners, who are whining.

D'ya see? XD


LOL! funny, but I still see a worthwhile debate here.

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Also while we're in "complain mode" I'm a lot more upset with Bioware not letting us recruit team mates in any order....which given the dialogue files was obviously possible in some version of the game....than I am with them cutting an obviously not complete DLC character like Kasumi. People are acting like her content is 100% done and locked away somewhere in the game just because they found a half ass model and some dialogue.

Those dialogue files don't mean anything. It may be that at BW at first decided to let us recruit some members early on but after further discussion decided against it for many possible reasons. Having only a small selection of party members for the first half of the game will allow you to focus on each character more whereas being able to have them all at once detracts from getting know them. Additionally, levels may have been creating keeping in mind that you only have certain squad members available at that point in time. Bringing in members you are not supposed to have may upset this balance. Tali may not have been there from the start because the developers wanted you to face Geth without a squad tech expert, thereby exploring the potential of your class.

Also, you contradict yourself by shooting down their evidence of hidden dialogue and models while you cite the same hidden dialogue for your own arguments.

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TJSolo wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

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I'll be picking it up and supporting Bioware, who has thus far made good on their DLC promises in my eyes.


I agree, I don't know any other game to release so much DLC so quickly and frequently in the entire history of video games.


It is simple when content is already partially included in the "finished" product.
You could argue they are primer files, but you would have to be in the know to know.


why is it hard for people to understand that DLC can be developed in TANDEM (look it up if you don't know the definition) with the original box content? why do you have to assume because it was developed in tandem that it was removed from the original content? you don't know that and are choosing to assume the worst, rather than the logicial. the logical explanation is that bioware is investing a lot into their DLC model with cerberus network and knowingly designated DLC to be prepared in advance.

if you can't accept the fact that dlc is made in tandem with the original product then you will have a hard time accepting most games in the future, as this is quickly becoming the standard.

you are fooling yourself to think studios of this magnitude are not developing dlc intentionally and in tandem with the box product. it is the new industry standard.

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If it's $5 or less I *might* pick it up. Otherwise, it doesn't really seem to add enough to the game to be worthwhile.