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[Crackseed]

The issue is that people claiming this is stripped content do not have any basis anymore then people claiming it was pre-planned DLC. You could honestly infer either way and it's really a matter of perspective. What I use to make an educated guess is Bioware's track history. I also know that it's not uncommon for DLC teams to begin work before a game is done. We've also, sadly, seen a few companies who DO strip stuff to re-release later for a price. Bioware isn't one of these companies thus far in my books. If you choose to disbelieve that, fine - but calling people mindless sheep over it is just sad. You have no more evidence to support your claim then I do.

Kasumi's files already being in the game could point to either theory and unless we work for Bioware, we have 0 claim to know which. I choose to judge and make my opinion based on the company delivering, who has yet to fail me.

[hex23]

rab****annel wrote...
Those dialogue files don't mean anything. It may be that at BW at first decided to let us recruit some members early on but after further discussion decided against it for many possible reasons. Having only a small selection of party members for the first half of the game will allow you to focus on each character more whereas being able to have them all at once detracts from getting know them. Additionally, levels may have been creating keeping in mind that you only have certain squad members available at that point in time. Bringing in members you are not supposed to have may upset this balance. Tali may not have been there from the start because the developers wanted you to face Geth without a squad tech expert, thereby exploring the potential of your class.

Also, you contradict yourself by shooting down their evidence of hidden dialogue and models while you cite the same hidden dialogue for your own arguments.

"While we're in complain mode".

I was obviously looking for something random to complain about since this seems to be the place to do that.

But what you're saying makes zero sense. You can add any team member in any order in the PC version, and 9 times out of 10 there is dialogue or an interaction of some sort, so obviously that was meant to exist. It being cut later on is all fine and well but it's not remotely similar to Kasumi, since her model isn't even done and her mission isn't in the game.

So no, it's not a contradiction.

Modifié par hex23, 12 mars 2010 - 01:10 .

[Pocketgb]

I'm just marginally displeased with Kasumi because, like Zaeed, she's going to feel disconnected.

Looking at Zaeed, you'd think he'd be more popular: he has an awesome voice, very cool demeanor, and is quite an awesome badass. But in numerous polls he's listed, really, really far down. It's because he doesn't feel like a companion, he doesn't feel like a friend, he feels - simply put - like an NPC.

THIS is why he's so disliked. I was hoping Bioware would've learned from that than giving us another chatterbox that will keep going when you walk away into the other room. But sadly that's exactly what we're getting.

The DLC should still be cool - Zaeed's mission was pretty fun - but I'd rather wait A YEAR for a more developed character and something I could actually converse with (ya know, roleplaying?)

Modifié par Pocketgb, 12 mars 2010 - 01:10 .

[addiction21]

TJSolo wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

crackseed wrote...
I'll be picking it up and supporting Bioware, who has thus far made good on their DLC promises in my eyes.

I agree, I don't know any other game to release so much DLC so quickly and frequently in the entire history of video games.

It is simple when content is already partially included in the "finished" product.
You could argue they are primer files, but you would have to be in the know to know.

And to say it was cut from the game to later be charged for as dlc would require you to be in that same group.

[Gaddmeister]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

If you truely believe this then you are either a mindless sheep or a complete idiot. To think... all you have to do is open up files with Notepad++ and see all the hidden and tucked away coding and files for Kasumi. That and it's pretty much been proven throughout the community that Kasumi at one point existed in the original game with nearly completed files.

BioWare cut her from the game to finish and polish the content, and now they are charging us for something that was already, at one point in developement, in the game.

Do you really think that ME2 is the only game in history that had some changed plans during production? First of all, you don't actually know that Kasumi was originally planned to be in the core game. Also, even if she was, why would it be so bad to put some extra effort into the cut material and release it later for an additional cost? The core game is still great.

[Frellwit]

I demand romance.

[Crackseed]

scyphozoa wrote...

crackseed wrote...

The issue is that people claiming this is stripped content do not have any basis anymore then people claiming it was pre-planned DLC. You could honestly infer either way and it's really a matter of perspective. What I use to make an educated guess is Bioware's track history. I also know that it's not uncommon for DLC teams to begin work before a game is done. We've also, sadly, seen a few companies who DO strip stuff to re-release later for a price. Bioware isn't one of these companies thus far in my books. If you choose to disbelieve that, fine - but calling people mindless sheep over it is just sad. You have no more evidence to support your claim then I do.
Kasumi's files already being in the game could point to either theory and unless we work for Bioware, we have 0 claim to know which. I choose to judge and make my opinion based on the company delivering, who has yet to fail me.

actually you're right, no one knows. i assume pre-planned, others assume stripped. we're both fools for assuming but this thread will continue for another 10 pages and no developer will ever give us actual facts. so its all spam speculation and emotions.

anyway, i'm done with this thread, don't forget to support kasumi NOT having AI hacking, follow the link in my sig!

No worries Scy While I'm in the camp of "This was planned DLC content in the files before launch" I fully respect that I cannot prove this claim anymore then those calling it stripped content.

Also - I totally support your proposal. NO MORE AI HACKING >.>

[hex23]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

If you truely believe this then you are either a mindless sheep or a complete idiot. To think... all you have to do is open up files with Notepad++ and see all the hidden and tucked away coding and files for Kasumi. That and it's pretty much been proven throughout the community that Kasumi at one point existed in the original game with nearly completed files.

BioWare cut her from the game to finish and polish the content, and now they are charging us for something that was already, at one point in developement, in the game.

I'm gonna have to call bullsh*t on this.

There isn't a ton of "hidden and tucked away" files on Kasumi in the game. Nor has it ever been proven she "at one point existed in the original game with nearly completed files".

Honestly where are you getting this from? You're just making stuff up. Her dialogue is in the game, and a half ass model of her. Also her dossier. That's about it. Her Loyalty mission, power, and those environments aren't in the game. So no, 90% of her content was never in the game.

[rabbitchannel]

hex23 wrote...

rab****annel wrote...
Those dialogue files don't mean anything. It may be that at BW at first decided to let us recruit some members early on but after further discussion decided against it for many possible reasons. Having only a small selection of party members for the first half of the game will allow you to focus on each character more whereas being able to have them all at once detracts from getting know them. Additionally, levels may have been creating keeping in mind that you only have certain squad members available at that point in time. Bringing in members you are not supposed to have may upset this balance. Tali may not have been there from the start because the developers wanted you to face Geth without a squad tech expert, thereby exploring the potential of your class.

Also, you contradict yourself by shooting down their evidence of hidden dialogue and models while you cite the same hidden dialogue for your own arguments.

"While we're in complain mode".

I was obviously looking for something random to complain about since this seems to be the place to do that.

But what you're saying makes zero sense. You can add any team member in any order in the PC version, and 9 times out of 10 there is dialogue or an interaction of some sort, so obviously that was meant to exist. It being cut later on is all fine and well but it's not remotely similar to Kasumi, since her model isn't even done and her mission isn't in the game.

So no, it's not a contradiction.

You're not getting it. At all. Read it again. The second sentence there. They may have completed lines for some characters in from the start but then cancelled that line of development. For example, they recorded dialogue for squad member x on Freedom's Progress but then decided that it would be better for her to appear later in the game. You cannot add any team member in any order in the PC. You have to hack it to do that. Just because I can hack NPC hair onto my Shepard doesn't mean it was slated for her in the first place. The only thing that these files indicate are the paths that BW thought about pursuing. Discontinued paths. Non-existant paths.

[hex23]

rab****annel wrote...

You're not getting it. At all. Read
it again. The second sentence there. They may have completed lines for
some characters in from the start but then cancelled that line of
development. For example, they recorded dialogue for squad member x on
Freedom's Progress but then decided that it would be better for her to
appear later in the game. You cannot add any team member in any order in
the PC. You have to hack it to do that. Just because I can hack NPC
hair onto my Shepard doesn't mean it was slated for her in the first
place. The only thing that these files indicate are the paths that BW
thought about pursuing. Discontinued paths. Non-existant paths.

No, I'm not getting it because I already pointed out I was in "complain mode" looking for random things to nitpick since this seems to be the place for that. I pointed that out twice. Get the clue. Don't ask me a 3rd time.

Modifié par hex23, 12 mars 2010 - 01:23 .

[rabbitchannel]

hex23 wrote...

No, I'm not getting it because I already pointed out I was in "complain mode" looking for random things to nitpick since this seems to be the place for that. I pointed that out twice. Get the clue. Don't ask me a 3rd time.

Wow that was lame. :|

Have it your way.

Modifié par rabbitchannel, 12 mars 2010 - 01:25 .

[RogueWriter3201]

It's clear this Topic has spawned yet another heated discussion.
As well it should, given the fact that Zaeed was free, but our
dear Thief Kasumi is going to cost somewhere around 5-10
bucks if we're lucky. Do I think it's somewhat of a shady thing to
do? Well, of course it is. Will I still be buying it? Yes, and I'll tell
you why.

I will be buying Kasumi because I knew what I was getting into
when I bought Mass Effect 2, a game released during the
proverbial 'Golden Age' of DLC. Almost every game company
right now understands that there is a Ton of money to be made
via DLC, and publisher EA is no different. Given their partner-
ship with Bioware, it was frankly a given that the 'Free'
DLC parade would come to a end; so, now that it's here, I find
myself thankfully prepared.

I can understand that those with little money to spend, or those
without employment, might be miffed since there will be game
content they can not aquire; and to them I say, "Don't sweat it."
It's almost assured that one of two things will happen with all
these DLCs at one time or another. They will either A) Drop in
price over-time. Or Will be bundled with a Game of the
Year Edition shortly before the release of ME3, with the GOTY
edition itself likely costing slightly less than the price of the
Original ME2. So, if you like, you folks have that option. Also,
there is a good chance some of this DLC will be buggy or
introduce bugs, so those who can't get it will at least be able
to benefit from any Bug fixes.

Bottom line is, this DLC is going to sell, regardless of those who
like it or don't like it. I still feel that if you want to express your
discontent about Bioware/EA's course of action, you have the
right to do so. Just don't get your hopes up that people will not buy
the DLC because of your opinions or any call to Boycott, nor that
Bioware/EA will recind this choice. We may have gotten Tali and
Garrus as Love Interests thanks to our Collective outcry, but that's
only because the Head Honchos saw the chance to make money.
Making DLC free that was planned to cost something does not
make them any coin, so...well, yeah, you get the idea. Still, I'm sorry
to those who either can not or will not get Kasumi.

[TJSolo]

addiction21 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

crackseed wrote...
I'll be picking it up and supporting Bioware, who has thus far made good on their DLC promises in my eyes.

I agree, I don't know any other game to release so much DLC so quickly and frequently in the entire history of video games.

It is simple when content is already partially included in the "finished" product.
You could argue they are primer files, but you would have to be in the know to know.

And to say it was cut from the game to later be charged for as dlc would require you to be in that same group.

Saying that the content is already partially in the finished product isn't the same as me saying it was cut.
Having a suspicion is different then actually making a claim. I am trying to edit myself so I don't make that accusation.

[Red Tornado]

Well said glenboy24. Well said.

[ShamieGTX]

Jaysonie wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Wait, doesn't that make it the Dirty Baker's Dozen? It's 13 squaddies now.

13?
  1.Grunt
  2.SuZe
  3.Tali
  4.Archaengel
  5.Mordin
  6.Miranda
  7.Jacob
  8.Zaeed
10.Thane
11.Samara

Spoilerz!!!!!!






Morinth.........

Either you get samara or you get Morinth...thats still 11 Squadmembers Einstein....

[huntrrz]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@The People Telling Others Not To Whine: STFU.

People have a right to whine about paying for content that was cut from the original game. Kasumi was supposed to be in the game from the beginning. Now we have to pay for her. That is a total cash-grab from BioWare.

What I would not mind paying for would be additional missions, story driven content, pre-order-CE weapons, explorable planets, and more Hammerhead missions than the coming 5.

I however will NOT buy Kasumi. And I would rather the whole community boycott this content to show BioWare that it IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to charge for content that was supposed to be in the damn game from the beginning.

(clearing throat)

I'd like to make a comment to all those ****ing about paying for or how much unannounced DLC is worth:

THIS IS NOT ANNOUNCED.  For all we know, the dang thing will be FREE.  All that was quoted is that they're DISCUSSING pricing.  Even if the person quoted KNEW that it was going to be free, he couldn't say so because THIS IS NOT ANNOUNCED.


Perhaps we should wait for the official announcement before revving up the whine machine?


(D'oh!  WHAT was I THINKING???)

[LEYN0S]

Kasumi....August,2009 Gamescom. Interesting.



http://www.onelastco...lready-on-disc/

[ShamieGTX]

glenboy24 wrote...

It's clear this Topic has spawned yet another heated discussion.
As well it should, given the fact that Zaeed was free, but our
dear Thief Kasumi is going to cost somewhere around 5-10
bucks if we're lucky. Do I think it's somewhat of a shady thing to
do? Well, of course it is. Will I still be buying it? Yes, and I'll tell
you why.

I will be buying Kasumi because I knew what I was getting into
when I bought Mass Effect 2, a game released during the
proverbial 'Golden Age' of DLC. Almost every game company
right now understands that there is a Ton of money to be made
via DLC, and publisher EA is no different. Given their partner-
ship with Bioware, it was frankly a given that the 'Free'
DLC parade would come to a end; so, now that it's here, I find
myself thankfully prepared.

I can understand that those with little money to spend, or those
without employment, might be miffed since there will be game
content they can not aquire; and to them I say, "Don't sweat it."
It's almost assured that one of two things will happen with all
these DLCs at one time or another. They will either A) Drop in
price over-time. Or Will be bundled with a Game of the
Year Edition shortly before the release of ME3, with the GOTY
edition itself likely costing slightly less than the price of the
Original ME2. So, if you like, you folks have that option. Also,
there is a good chance some of this DLC will be buggy or
introduce bugs, so those who can't get it will at least be able
to benefit from any Bug fixes.

Bottom line is, this DLC is going to sell, regardless of those who
like it or don't like it. I still feel that if you want to express your
discontent about Bioware/EA's course of action, you have the
right to do so. Just don't get your hopes up that people will not buy
the DLC because of your opinions or any call to Boycott, nor that
Bioware/EA will recind this choice. We may have gotten Tali and
Garrus as Love Interests thanks to our Collective outcry, but that's
only because the Head Honchos saw the chance to make money.
Making DLC free that was planned to cost something does not
make them any coin, so...well, yeah, you get the idea. Still, I'm sorry
to those who either can not or will not get Kasumi.

 
I like how you set it up to be a column text and not a wall of text! Props! very Original! 

[Jaysonie]

ShamieGTX wrote...

Jaysonie wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Wait, doesn't that make it the Dirty Baker's Dozen? It's 13 squaddies now.

13?
  1.Grunt
  2.SuZe
  3.Tali
  4.Archaengel
  5.Mordin
  6.Miranda
  7.Jacob
  8.Zaeed
10.Thane
11.Samara

Spoilerz!!!!!!






Morinth.........

Either you get samara or you get Morinth...thats still 11 Squadmembers Einstein....

You get Samara, then you have the choice to loose Samara and get Morinth. There diffrent party members.

[Atmosfear3]

Of course Kasumi was planned DLC. We all knew Bioware intended to support ME2 for a long time with DLC following its release. You're all delusional if you think they make this stuff up as they go along as if they just get into a meeting one day and, "HEY GUYS I HAVE THIS GREAT IDEA FOR FOR A DLC TODAY THAT WE'LL RELEASE NEXT WEEK".



Having the sound files is meaningless. Theres no character model and I'm sure anyone who inspected the code could have found the loyalty mission as well. Since we've heard nothing on that front its safe to assume one thing; the sound files were all recorded prior to the release of the game for the [planned] DLC. If you have it planned, wouldn't you record something now rather than later?

[DarkWarSoldier]

Awesome!!!!!!

[Darth Drago]

I’m going to ask if anyone knows just how much dialog Kasumi has in ME2 now? Or how much dialog Zaeed may have had before you downloaded him? Anyone know? Its possible if it’s a lot that BioWare could only get the actress who does her voice (if its not one of the in house ones) for a set time when they did most of the other voices so her dialog may already be in the game. Just a theory…

*I got to pay attention to who does voices more often. Dwight Shultz did Veetor, Armin Shimmerman was the Salarian Councilor and Michael Dorn was Gatatog Uvenek… a regular STNG reunion like the Firefly one in Halo ODST. *

Back on topic…

Until its confirmed by BioWare I wouldn’t jump the gun on or if they will charge for this Kasumi pack. I hope not.