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[kraidy1117]

KillaKow wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Where is your proof expect for Hammerhead and Kasumie? Thats right you have no proof that the other stuff was already in the game. If you don't want to pay, then don't no one is forcing you, I would like it to be free but it's not going to happen and to start complaining like a baby is not going to help.

Yeah it's not at all suspicious that Zaeed/Normandy crash site were available at release or anything.

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

EA? EA? *Blinks in disbelief* You would rather have EA than any other company?

Something tells me you don't regognize patterns. EA is one of the most profit focused publishers in the buisness, shown by their tendency to release a game with half the content cut so that they can sell it back to you and sucker twice as much money from you. Why the hell woud you want a dev to be owned by EA?

So you rather have M$ who would charge for everything, or Activision who is worse then EA, or would you rather have 2K own them and pull a Biosohck 2. Sorry EA might have done somethings that are not nice, but realy as of now they are the best company in the market.

I would rather have Microsoft, because while yes, they do charge you for everything, at least they don't charge you for things that they cut from the game so that they could sell them back to you for more profit, which is pretty much EAs SOP.

Wow, you cleary are young if you want M$ to have Bioware. M$ is more greedy then EA ever will be.

Oh, I never said they weren't greedy. Pretty much all publishers are nowadays. But the thing is, EA is the one that stands out from them all in it's complete disrespect for the developers it owns, as well as it's customers. Microsoft might be greedy, but at least they realize that the way to maintain a consumer base is to keep them happy.

Are we talking about the same EA. The EA now is alot better then it used to be. I love how people use Eas history. They are alot diffrent now. Ubisoft and Activiusion are more greddy then EA for crying outloud.

Different how?
They're doing the exact same thing. Look at The Sims 3. Hell, look at this very game.

And as for Actiblizzard and Ubisoft... do you have any actuall proof of how they are more greedy? Last I checked Actiblizzard was making such rediculous ammonuts of money off of MW2 and WOW that they don't even have to make more than one game a year anymore. And what's with Ubisoft being greedy? They're the least greedy of the bunch; their DLCs are usually the most fair priced.

Ypou got to be kidding me, do you follow video game news? Activision has killed the Call of Duty series after what they just did because the guys wanted to do something that Activsion did not like. Ubisoft not greedy? So you don't remember the prince of persia DLC crap or even AC2? I trhink you guys who hate EA so much need to look at other companys and be glad EA has Bioware, but nooooooooooo you guys have to act like you have a stick up your ass.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 12 mars 2010 - 12:19 .

[PandemicFear]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

PandemicFear wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

guy if its a pack it most likely gonna be 1200 points or 5.99 so yeah you guys are ridiculous  so what we have to pay for it big deal they have to make money some how do't you guys want good resources for ME3
Free Content                                               Paid Content
Zaeed Messani                                              Kasumi pack
Fire Walker Pack
Flamethrower(Zaeed mission)
Cerberus armor
Sentry Interface
Umbra Visor
Recon hood
Noramndy crashsite

Umm, 1200 MS points is $15. You mean 480 MS points, that's $6.
And I don't see the big deal. It's probably going to be $5 or less. It doesn't beat free, but it really won't kill you. <_<

no I mean 1200 for 360 $5.99 for pc if its like awakening it will be about $30.00 god I just realized us 360 players be getting ripped off

Yeah, I know, they always rip us off, but it'll likely cost only about $5. If it costs more, than I expect a good deal of content, but BioWare isn't so bad that they would charge over $10. In that case I'll just not buy it, simple as that.

[stillnotking]

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

Nope.  I definitely would not buy a car that didn't have a windshield, rear doors or passenger seats.

ME2 was complete at release, I paid for it and am very happy with it.  I'm looking forward to the DLC, and based on BW's track record I am quite confident that it'll be worth the very small amount of money they'll be charging.

All this is another way of saying that your analogy is ridiculous and you have no grounds to complain.

[The Angry One]

skuld1 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

To complainers, you don't need to get it, it's not like a map pack.

Let me be clear.
I've paid for the game.
This content was in the game then ripped out.
I've therefore paid for this content and have a right to it.

And no I will not resort to piracy.

Please provide tangible evidence that this is the case... something like memos or internal e-mails passed around by EA or Bioware staff where this is stated.

A placeholder art and some sound clips only tell me that they started work on this DLC before the game went gold, NOT that the work was fully complete and ready to ship before the discs went to press.  

Is it *possible* that Kasumi was completely finished and removed from the final product?  Sure it is, but no one has shown me ACTUAL EVIDENCE that this is the case...

PS: don't bother with a "but I *KNOW* its true" reply if you can't back it up with substance, it just makes you look weaker.

Hey guess what genius, I'd accept that they started work and couldn't complete it if the DLC were "free".
Since it's not, the real intention is obvious. I love how you demand evidence that nobody can possibly provide, it puts you in a position where you can assure yourself that you're right and not talking out of your rear end.

[Homebound]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I don't think BioWare are saints, but they did provide Bring Down the Sky to PC users free while M$ bilked out money for it from 360 users.

EA are notorious for interfering with their developers and driving them into the ground - look at Maxis.

Well Microsoft would get their hands onto anything regarding DLC, I was hoping the CN would be a clever way around that, but I was wrong it was just EA doing what they do.

*sigh* Bioware and EA stated before ME2 cameo ut that some stuff would be paid for! Do you guys even listen or do you just like to complain just for the hell of it.

It just feels like we are being made to pay for something that should have been in the game already.

[Ramikadyc]

The Angry One wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

Provide TWENTY free DLC items then charge for ONE and you no longer become a benign developer/publisher, you become a money-grubbing corporate jerk. That's some of society for ya'. Nothing to do but tolerate them, while we pay our measly five dollars and enjoy brand new stuff that has been added to our fully-complete-and-then-some game we've already purchased.

No matter how many times we explain how this DLC isn't "free", you just don't get it.
Or refuse to. Either way there's no use explaining it to you again. Please, continue to think that these were all free gifts on top of a complete game and shove money mindlessly into EA so they can keep conning all of us.

You don't need to explain anything, but your claims are a bunch of bullsh*t. I do get. I bought a game, and like every other good game I've bought, it came to me complete, because I received a complete experience--it felt complete, so it was complete. What else do I need to know? Apparenly I need to know that this is all a conspiracy and this is all happening to make money off of me and I'm playing right into the greedy corporate hands, rawr! It's evil! Yeah, I absolutey get that, and I get that you're crying about it, and it's stupid to me.

I find it very interesting to watch people like you complain about this. Paid DLC and micro-transactions are relatively new concepts, still in their infancy, so people like you aren't used to it. I get that, and I know that sooner or later you'll either learn to cope with it or move on. This is what the future holds, this is how games will be marketed now. I'm pretty sure this is what it would be like to be alive in prehistoric times observing cavemen when they first discovered fire. There were probably those who complained about that too: "ooga booga, it burns when me touches it so it must be evil!" Eventually they adapted and accepted it, or died from food poisoning or by freezing to death.

Personally, I'm enjoying the fire.

[cachx]

The thing that a lot of people can't understand is that you don't get to determine what amount of content constitutes the "full game" or not, that's the developer's job. It doesn't really matter when the extra content was produced or if the files are partially in there. The only thing you can do as a consumer is to decide whether you want pay for it or not.

I would only consider this "evil" if they forced the purchase on you by making the paid content vital to the game's experience. Something like: "Hey guys, guess what? Kasumi is the only char that can use the vents now, so if you don't purchase her, your team is dead in ME3"

I have finished the game 3 times and I think it's awesome, got more than my money's worth, everything else is extra. Kasumi is hardly vital to the game, so when the time comes I'll decide if it's worth whatever price they slap to it. 

[Gingeraids]

The Angry One wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

that's completely different

And yet you don't say how.

Okay. For starters, getting a broken car with all of the above is entirely a decision you make, when you're well aware you're going to get ripped off, thus it's entirely your fault.

Buying a damn good game, getting a bunch of free DLC, and having to pay a little cash for a new character shouldn't seem like such a big deal. Would you rather Bioware lose resources and money? Fire people? Waste hours and hours of testing, quality assurance, and development on every DLC, just so it can be free?

[The Angry One]

stillnotking wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

Nope.  I definitely would not buy a car that didn't have a windshield, rear doors or passenger seats.

ME2 was complete at release, I paid for it and am very happy with it.  I'm looking forward to the DLC, and based on BW's track record I am quite confident that it'll be worth the very small amount of money they'll be charging.

All this is another way of saying that your analogy is ridiculous and you have no grounds to complain.

No. ME2 was not complete at release. Several features like the Hammerhead are missing. "DLC" was available at the time of release.
The difference between a car and modern videogames is that people like you have been conditioned into thinking you're buying complete games when you really aren't. Do you honestly think the critically low variety of weapons and armour in the vanilla game is "complete"?
Think about it for a second. We're going to have to pay extra to get a grand total of 3 SMGs.

[kraidy1117]

The Angry One wrote...

skuld1 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

To complainers, you don't need to get it, it's not like a map pack.

Let me be clear.
I've paid for the game.
This content was in the game then ripped out.
I've therefore paid for this content and have a right to it.

And no I will not resort to piracy.

Please provide tangible evidence that this is the case... something like memos or internal e-mails passed around by EA or Bioware staff where this is stated.

A placeholder art and some sound clips only tell me that they started work on this DLC before the game went gold, NOT that the work was fully complete and ready to ship before the discs went to press.  

Is it *possible* that Kasumi was completely finished and removed from the final product?  Sure it is, but no one has shown me ACTUAL EVIDENCE that this is the case...

PS: don't bother with a "but I *KNOW* its true" reply if you can't back it up with substance, it just makes you look weaker.

Hey guess what genius, I'd accept that they started work and couldn't complete it if the DLC were "free".
Since it's not, the real intention is obvious. I love how you demand evidence that nobody can possibly provide, it puts you in a position where you can assure yourself that you're right and not talking out of your rear end.

I love how people keep on saying that she was already completed but have no proof. Boo hoo you have to pay for it. Hevan forbid we have to pay for content. The game is already fine as it is, do you want Bioware to pull a ME DLC on us again?

[ifander]

I'd just like to mention that cutting content from games is commonplace, just look at Half-Life 2 and all the stuff that never made it into the final game. In that case it was discarded or reused for Episode 1 and 2. Do people complain the stuff never made it into the game? No.



In the case of ME2 it is probable the content was cut due to time constraints. Most of the DLC released so far has been free, and I agree it would have been included with the game had BW decided to delay the game. But we have no way of knowing how much of the Kasumi DLC was actually done at release. The only thing I've seen is some leftover dialogue, which makes sense since they would have recorded most of it at once, a box of text and a placeholder. There's a lot missing here, like the mission we go to, the added SMG, the recruitment, her place on the Normandy. All this takes time to make. Sure, Bioware could have delayed the game and included this. But the same can be said about any DLC released in the future. No doubt they have lots of work done on DLC we haven't seen any mention of yet. Does that mean that stuff should have been included as well?



Making a game is an expensive enterprise, you have people working for years with no profit until the game is released. Every months delay costs hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary, not counting other expenses. Bioware is a business, as is EA. They love making games but I seriously doubt enough to make them for free. So what if EA forced BW to release the game in January? They're a business, they need to make money! This is true for all developers/publishers, especially in today's frosty economical climate. How can people here be so blind to this simple fact?



I personally don't feel that this DLC must be free. I'll get it anyway. Bioware have speant months developing this content, and I feel they should get paid for their work. And your so-called proof is hardly conclusive. All it proves is that Bioware intended to have Kasumi in the game, it doesn't disprove that it was intended to be DLC all along. It might have been intended to be DLC from the start, with the stuff left in the game to make integration easier. In the end we have no way of knowing either way.

[The Angry One]

Ramikadyc wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

Provide TWENTY free DLC items then charge for ONE and you no longer become a benign developer/publisher, you become a money-grubbing corporate jerk. That's some of society for ya'. Nothing to do but tolerate them, while we pay our measly five dollars and enjoy brand new stuff that has been added to our fully-complete-and-then-some game we've already purchased.

No matter how many times we explain how this DLC isn't "free", you just don't get it.
Or refuse to. Either way there's no use explaining it to you again. Please, continue to think that these were all free gifts on top of a complete game and shove money mindlessly into EA so they can keep conning all of us.

You don't need to explain anything, but your claims are a bunch of bullsh*t. I do get. I bought a game, and like every other good game I've bought, it came to me complete, because I received a complete experience--it felt complete, so it was complete. What else do I need to know? Apparenly I need to know that this is all a conspiracy and this is all happening to make money off of me and I'm playing right into the greedy corporate hands, rawr! It's evil! Yeah, I absolutey get that, and I get that you're crying about it, and it's stupid to me.

I find it very interesting to watch people like you complain about this. Paid DLC and micro-transactions are relatively new concepts, still in their infancy, so people like you aren't used to it. I get that, and I know that sooner or later you'll either learn to cope with it or move on. This is what the future holds, this is how games will be marketed now. I'm pretty sure this is what it would be like to be alive in prehistoric times observing cavemen when they first discovered fire. There were probably those who complained about that too: "ooga booga, it burns when me touches it so it must be evil!" Eventually they adapted and accepted it, or died from food poisoning or by freezing to death.

Personally, I'm enjoying the fire.

Yeah, continue to lie to yourself while flaming me. That'll get you ahead. Personally I won't waste my time in explaining the obvious to someone as thick as you.

[The Angry One]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I love how people keep on saying that she was already completed but have no proof. Boo hoo you have to pay for it. Hevan forbid we have to pay for content. The game is already fine as it is, do you want Bioware to pull a ME DLC on us again?

She was obviously intended to be part of the game, and a lot of her resources are already there.
If she was to be part of the game and not an extra, why charge us extra? Explain that please.

[ChampDude]

The Angry One wrote...

stillnotking wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

Nope.  I definitely would not buy a car that didn't have a windshield, rear doors or passenger seats.

ME2 was complete at release, I paid for it and am very happy with it.  I'm looking forward to the DLC, and based on BW's track record I am quite confident that it'll be worth the very small amount of money they'll be charging.

All this is another way of saying that your analogy is ridiculous and you have no grounds to complain.

No. ME2 was not complete at release. Several features like the Hammerhead are missing. "DLC" was available at the time of release.
The difference between a car and modern videogames is that people like you have been conditioned into thinking you're buying complete games when you really aren't. Do you honestly think the critically low variety of weapons and armour in the vanilla game is "complete"?
Think about it for a second. We're going to have to pay extra to get a grand total of 3 SMGs.

I don't think the Hammerhead was ever an instrumental part of the Mass Effect experience, and regardless, it is free. Also, do you actually like Mass Effect 2 by any chance, or just part of your personality? In which case, your name is very fitting Angry One

[PARAGON87]

At least it isn't as bad as Sequence 12 and 13 in Assassin's Creed II. Now THAT was undeniably cut.

[Ecael]

I think I'm going to have to repeatedly quote myself in every post since there are people on both sides of the spectrum that either:

1. Didn't read the previous posts but posted their opinion anyway

or

2. Are being rather extremist in their views

Shepard: Hey everyone, this DLC discriminates against the poor!

In all seriousness, I don't think people seem to realize that the intention of free DLC is to add in the content that had to be cut to make a specific deadline.

This is a good thing -- Mass Effect 2 releases faster (instead of waiting an extra few months for the rest of the content) AND BioWare can finish the remaining content without having to throw it away.

Judging by the content that is in the game, this what they didn't finish in time:
-Normandy Crash Site
-Zaeed Massani
-Hammerhead/Firewalker (Vehicle controls are already in-game)
-Kasumi (Audio fully recorded, character and dossier already fleshed out)
-More weapons and armor

This is what they plan on releasing (that we know of) but hardly has any content in the game, and must be paid DLC:
-Liara-focused Shadow Broker DLC

Knowing this, the paid DLC should have started after Kasumi was released. Instead, the entire purpose of making this one DLC a paid one is to make this content seem like the trend for paid DLC. That way, people will go 'Hey, paid DLC is great too!' before BioWare releases something like Pinnacle Station or Return to Ostagar.

The true quality of post-release DLC will be seen after Kasumi is released.

Modifié par Ecael, 12 mars 2010 - 12:27 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

This whole thing sounds like Shareware in reverse in my opinion if that makes any sense.

[The Angry One]

ChampDude wrote...

I don't think the Hammerhead was ever an instrumental part of the Mass Effect experience, and regardless, it is free. Also, do you actually like Mass Effect 2 by any chance, or just part of your personality? In which case, your name is very fitting Angry One

How do you know? The void in the cargohold and leftover ghost pings where Hammerhead mission planets are probably located say otherwise.

[Sleepicub09]

The Angry One wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

that's completely different

And yet you don't say how.

well for one bioware didn't give a car with no windshields,passenger seats and rear doors. They gave us car with no radio, Ac and windows that don't roll down not as comfortable as regular car but it still drives good but the insurance company needs to make sure that car stays riding good so they collect a sum of money every moth or so. So they can make sure that your completely satisfied with your next car(ME3) but to keep your satisfied they gave you seat covers,floor mats and a new radio you get what I'm saying

[Gingeraids]

I think it's best to just ignore Angry One for the remainder of this topic. He/She/It is obviously not getting the idea that some people are okay with this, and I'm sure everyone's tired of his/her/its posts consisting of "You're thick headed. I'm right and you're wrong. Deal with it."



So yeah, just ignore Angry One for now.

[kraidy1117]

Screw it, I am done. You guys can keep on complaining for long as you want, it's not going to do anything.

[Ramikadyc]

The Angry One wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

Provide TWENTY free DLC items then charge for ONE and you no longer become a benign developer/publisher, you become a money-grubbing corporate jerk. That's some of society for ya'. Nothing to do but tolerate them, while we pay our measly five dollars and enjoy brand new stuff that has been added to our fully-complete-and-then-some game we've already purchased.

No matter how many times we explain how this DLC isn't "free", you just don't get it.
Or refuse to. Either way there's no use explaining it to you again. Please, continue to think that these were all free gifts on top of a complete game and shove money mindlessly into EA so they can keep conning all of us.

You don't need to explain anything, but your claims are a bunch of bullsh*t. I do get. I bought a game, and like every other good game I've bought, it came to me complete, because I received a complete experience--it felt complete, so it was complete. What else do I need to know? Apparenly I need to know that this is all a conspiracy and this is all happening to make money off of me and I'm playing right into the greedy corporate hands, rawr! It's evil! Yeah, I absolutey get that, and I get that you're crying about it, and it's stupid to me.

I find it very interesting to watch people like you complain about this. Paid DLC and micro-transactions are relatively new concepts, still in their infancy, so people like you aren't used to it. I get that, and I know that sooner or later you'll either learn to cope with it or move on. This is what the future holds, this is how games will be marketed now. I'm pretty sure this is what it would be like to be alive in prehistoric times observing cavemen when they first discovered fire. There were probably those who complained about that too: "ooga booga, it burns when me touches it so it must be evil!" Eventually they adapted and accepted it, or died from food poisoning or by freezing to death.

Personally, I'm enjoying the fire.

Yeah, continue to lie to yourself while flaming me. That'll get you ahead. Personally I won't waste my time in explaining the obvious to someone as thick as you.

Are you calling me fat!?

[The Angry One]

Gingeraids wrote...

I think it's best to just ignore Angry One for the remainder of this topic. He/She/It is obviously not getting the idea that some people are okay with this, and I'm sure everyone's tired of his/her/its posts consisting of "You're thick headed. I'm right and you're wrong. Deal with it."

So yeah, just ignore Angry One for now.

No, I call people thick when they outright flame me for disagreeing with the notion that this is BioWare being generous and not EA being moneygrubbing bastards.
Oh but please continue to spread misinformation about me if my opinion scares you that much.

[KillaKow]

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

[quote]KillaKow wrote...

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

[quote]KillaKow wrote...

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

[quote]KillaKow wrote...

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

[quote]KillaKow wrote...

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

Where is your proof expect for Hammerhead and Kasumie? Thats right you have no proof that the other stuff was already in the game. If you don't want to pay, then don't no one is forcing you, I would like it to be free but it's not going to happen and to start complaining like a baby is not going to help.

[/quote]

Yeah it's not at all suspicious that Zaeed/Normandy crash site were available at release or anything.

[/quote]

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

[/quote]

EA? EA? *Blinks in disbelief* You would rather have EA than any other company?

Something tells me you don't regognize patterns. EA is one of the most profit focused publishers in the buisness, shown by their tendency to release a game with half the content cut so that they can sell it back to you and sucker twice as much money from you. Why the hell woud you want a dev to be owned by EA?

[/quote]

So you rather have M$ who would charge for everything, or Activision who is worse then EA, or would you rather have 2K own them and pull a Biosohck 2. Sorry EA might have done somethings that are not nice, but realy as of now they are the best company in the market.

[/quote]

I would rather have Microsoft, because while yes, they do charge you for everything, at least they don't charge you for things that they cut from the game so that they could sell them back to you for more profit, which is pretty much EAs SOP.

[/quote]

Wow, you cleary are young if you want M$ to have Bioware. M$ is more greedy then EA ever will be.

[/quote]

Oh, I never said they weren't greedy. Pretty much all publishers are nowadays. But the thing is, EA is the one that stands out from them all in it's complete disrespect for the developers it owns, as well as it's customers. Microsoft might be greedy, but at least they realize that the way to maintain a consumer base is to keep them happy.
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Are we talking about the same EA. The EA now is alot better then it used to be. I love how people use Eas history. They are alot diffrent now. Ubisoft and Activiusion are more greddy then EA for crying outloud.

[/quote]

Different how?
They're doing the exact same thing. Look at The Sims 3. Hell, look at this very game.

And as for Actiblizzard and Ubisoft... do you have any actuall proof of how they are more greedy? Last I checked Actiblizzard was making such rediculous ammonuts of money off of MW2 and WOW that they don't even have to make more than one game a year anymore. And what's with Ubisoft being greedy? They're the least greedy of the bunch; their DLCs are usually the most fair priced.

[/quote]

Ypou got to be kidding me, do you follow video game news? Activision has killed the Call of Duty series after what they just did because the guys wanted to do something that Activsion did not like. Ubisoft not greedy? So you don't remember the prince of persia DLC crap or even AC2? I trhink you guys who hate EA so much need to look at other companys and be glad EA has Bioware, but nooooooooooo you guys have to act like you have a stick up your ass.

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Ok, first off, why the hell would anyone be glad that EA, a company known for running it's developers into the ground, if not outright destroying them (remember pandemic?) and, as I have said time and time again, cuts out content from games just so that they can sell it back to them? Yeah, perfect company there.

Also you have no ground to defend EA at all. Every one of my aruments has been met with vauge responses like "The're alot different now" or attempts to paint them favorably against other compaines. And while I'll give you that you do have proof of why those compaines are greedy. You have not given one iota of proof that EA is the benevolent publisher that you say it is.

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Hey guess what genius, I'd accept that they started work and couldn't complete it if the DLC were "free".
Since it's not, the real intention is obvious. I love how you demand evidence that nobody can possibly provide, it puts you in a position where you can assure yourself that you're right and not talking out of your rear end.

You seemingly don't know much about the making of video games and just how many things get cut for a number of reasons.  Without any tangible reason to do the extra work to complete them that content goes into the trash bin.

Quests get cut, characters get cut, tons of content doesn't make it into games.  DLC while an advantage to the compnanies in that they can make a buck out of it also are beneficial to those that are willing ot pay for it extending the life of their game playing.  Content hanging around in games has been around for ages, DLC is just bringing it to the forefront as more cash for developers and more content for the player.

It's purely a consumer choice, be all means vote with your wallet and don't buy it if you perosnally think it's a rip off.