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[Sleepicub09]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

chubert wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I think I'm going to have to repeatedly quote myself in every post since there are people on both sides of the spectrum that either:

1. Didn't read the previous posts but posted their opinion anyway

or

2. Are being rather extremist in their views

Shepard: Hey everyone, this DLC discriminates against the poor!

In all seriousness, I don't think people seem to realize that the intention of free DLC is to add in the content that had to be cut to make a specific deadline.

This is a good thing -- Mass Effect 2 releases faster (instead of waiting an extra few months for the rest of the content) AND BioWare can finish the remaining content without having to throw it away.

Judging by the content that is in the game, this what they didn't finish in time:
-Normandy Crash Site
-Zaeed Massani
-Hammerhead/Firewalker (Vehicle controls are already in-game)
-Kasumi (Audio fully recorded, character and dossier already fleshed out)
-More weapons and armor

This is what they plan on releasing (that we know of) but hardly has any content in the game, and must be paid DLC:
-Liara-focused Shadow Broker DLC

Knowing this, the paid DLC should have started after Kasumi was released. Instead, the entire purpose of making this one DLC a paid one is to make this content seem like the trend for paid DLC. That way, people will go 'Hey, paid DLC is great too!' before BioWare releases something like Pinnacle Station or Return to Ostagar.

The true quality of post-release DLC will be seen after Kasumi is released.

Except for the day 1 DLC was probably finished with the game. When was the game finished? I believe I read somewhere it was finished around christmas time. The game was released late january. I seriously dont think they could finish up the day 1 DLC in 1 months time and release it when the game came out.

It could have been in the stage of beta testing at that point. Or, it was left somewhat unfinished until after the Christmas break.

Sure, they could be holding back content purposefully, but one has to consider that doing so allows BioWare to spread out their schedule so they can polish the game for release, and once it goes gold they can start working on the DLC (before the game comes out).

actually the day 1 dlc was delayed a day so idk 

Most likely due to the system Xbox Live uses. BioWare didn't actually make or finish all that content on 26-27 january.

I have no trouble with that though, nor do I really with this. I will buy Kasumi, no matter what. It's just lame-ish taht they do it this way with something that was supposed to be or planned to be in the game itself.

quick question how do you guy know she wasn't planned dlc that was been developed before released day  like the hammerhead

[Ramikadyc]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

Ecael wrote...

 at least half of the content is already in the game.

Could you define "half" please?

For one thing VA takes up quite a bit of space, just throwing that out there.  They can explain it better than I however.

Wait, wait, wait... The whole "half of the DLC is already in the game files" argument is based on actual FILE SIZE and not AMOUNT OF CONTENT? Are you joking?

I am under the impression that this is what's in the game files:
--Suicide Mission dialogue
--a placeholder model

That's it. It's missing:
--Additional dialogue
--Kasumi's actual model
--Kasumi's recruitment mission
--Kasumi's combat skills
--the new SMG
--the new loyalty skill
--an additional area of the Normandy

I don't know about anyone else, but "half" to me means "50%" or in less specific cases "a substantial amount." Suicide Mission dialogue and a totally random placeholder model somehow becomes half? Haha, really?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ramikadyc wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

Ecael wrote...

 at least half of the content is already in the game.

Could you define "half" please?

For one thing VA takes up quite a bit of space, just throwing that out there.  They can explain it better than I however.

Wait, wait, wait... The whole "half of the DLC is already in the game files" argument is based on actual FILE SIZE and not AMOUNT OF CONTENT? Are you joking?

I am under the impression that this is what's in the game files:
--Suicide Mission dialogue
--a placeholder model

That's it. It's missing:
--Additional dialogue
--Kasumi's actual model
--Kasumi's recruitment mission
--Kasumi's combat skills
--the new SMG
--the new loyalty skill
--an additional area of the Normandy

I don't know about anyone else, but "half" to me means "50%" or in less specific cases "a substantial amount." Suicide Mission dialogue and a totally random placeholder model somehow becomes half? Haha, really?

No, read Ecael's post, they explain it better, I was throwing out one of the factors.

[superimposed]

Considering it's about an hour, an hour and a half's worth with a new character and weapons, closer to $8.00 AU is about right. Not sure how much that would be in America.

Of course, that's assuming you can talk to her via a dialogue wheel. If not, $3.00 because it's just another Zaeed.

[snappyfingers]

what happened to pandemic did they totally get taken over by ea against their own will? I thought they were bought out and knew what they were doing when they decided to get bought out. I thought that is how the free markets and capitalism works. i wouldn't necessarily blame everything that happened to pandemic all on EA that is stupid illogical, and simplistic.



While i do agree that EA is greedy, they are all greedy and developer who is that large, has that many investors/shareholders, has to be greedy, otherwise they fail or cant generate revenue. This is the market if you don't like the DLC dont buy it and petition others not to buy it. Simple supply and demand will dictate that the price will decrease.



furthermore all of this discussion seems rather moot at this point considering we don't even know what the price will be, if its 800 too much, 400 will most likely be the equilibrium price. for me im not going to buy DLC that is only 2 hours at most for any more than 400 points and even that is a large stretch,



Hell you could purchase like 5 indie games for that amount, or a big mac and coke....mmm big mac and coke.

[Gingeraids]

Here's a bigger question.
>_>

What if Kasumi was a possible romance? WOULD SHE BE WORTH THE MONEY THE-
*Is chased out by Tali fans*

Modifié par Gingeraids, 12 mars 2010 - 12:52 .

[NICKjnp]

snappyfingers wrote...

what happened to pandemic did they totally get taken over by ea against their own will? I thought they were bought out and knew what they were doing when they decided to get bought out. I thought that is how the free markets and capitalism works. i wouldn't necessarily blame everything that happened to pandemic all on EA that is stupid illogical, and simplistic.

While i do agree that EA is greedy, they are all greedy and developer who is that large, has that many investors/shareholders, has to be greedy, otherwise they fail or cant generate revenue. This is the market if you don't like the DLC dont buy it and petition others not to buy it. Simple supply and demand will dictate that the price will decrease.

furthermore all of this discussion seems rather moot at this point considering we don't even know what the price will be, if its 800 too much, 400 will most likely be the equilibrium price. for me im not going to buy DLC that is only 2 hours at most for any more than 400 points and even that is a large stretch,

Hell you could purchase like 5 indie games for that amount, or a big mac and coke....mmm big mac and coke.

Most Bioware DLC seem to be between 400 and 800 points.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Gingeraids wrote...

Here's a bigger question.
>_>

What if Kasumi was a possible romance? WOULD SHE BE WORTH THE MONEY THE-
*Is chased out by Tali fans*

Well that would be a difficult romance to reconcile since it seems that she has no dialogue wheel.

[ramdog7]

Gingeraids wrote...

Here's a bigger question.
>_>

What if Kasumi was a possible romance? WOULD SHE BE WORTH THE MONEY THE-
*Is chased out by Tali fans*

i hope she is a LI
instead of working my baby can rob for me and we will be living the high life:D

[ramdog7]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Gingeraids wrote...

Here's a bigger question.
>_>

What if Kasumi was a possible romance? WOULD SHE BE WORTH THE MONEY THE-
*Is chased out by Tali fans*

Well that would be a difficult romance to reconcile since it seems that she has no dialogue wheel.

that just speculation on your part but i hope that she does have a dialoge wheel

[KillaKow]

snappyfingers wrote...

what happened to pandemic did they totally get taken over by ea against their own will? I thought they were bought out and knew what they were doing when they decided to get bought out. I thought that is how the free markets and capitalism works. i wouldn't necessarily blame everything that happened to pandemic all on EA that is stupid illogical, and simplistic.

While i do agree that EA is greedy, they are all greedy and developer who is that large, has that many investors/shareholders, has to be greedy, otherwise they fail or cant generate revenue. This is the market if you don't like the DLC dont buy it and petition others not to buy it. Simple supply and demand will dictate that the price will decrease.

furthermore all of this discussion seems rather moot at this point considering we don't even know what the price will be, if its 800 too much, 400 will most likely be the equilibrium price. for me im not going to buy DLC that is only 2 hours at most for any more than 400 points and even that is a large stretch,

Hell you could purchase like 5 indie games for that amount, or a big mac and coke....mmm big mac and coke.

I have no problem with EA being greedy, it is nessecary for them to survive, but as I said before the practice of cutting out content and then re-selling it is IMO unessecarily greedy and just smacks of disrespect for the deves and the consumers.

As far as the Pandemic thing, I know there was more to it, but I was just using it as an example of how EA cares more about profit than it's developers.

[Wild Still]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well that would be a difficult romance to reconcile since it seems that she has no dialogue wheel.

I see no down side to that in terms of romance. But she'd better not prattle on like Zaeed, silence is golden and whatnot.

However.. NO DIALOGUE WHEEL!? In DLC they are trying to sell!?

That's OK too then, no need to scare the moths out of my wallet for a character I can't even talk to.

[JoeyUsf813]

Is it too soon for a "Kasumi for LI in ME3!"

[ramdog7]

EA: Assuming Direct control

[KillaKow]

ramdog7 wrote...

EA: Assuming Direct control

EA: (to your wallet) This Hurts You

Not that this will really cost that much...

[snappyfingers]

KillaKow wrote...

snappyfingers wrote...

what happened to pandemic did they totally get taken over by ea against their own will? I thought they were bought out and knew what they were doing when they decided to get bought out. I thought that is how the free markets and capitalism works. i wouldn't necessarily blame everything that happened to pandemic all on EA that is stupid illogical, and simplistic.

While i do agree that EA is greedy, they are all greedy and developer who is that large, has that many investors/shareholders, has to be greedy, otherwise they fail or cant generate revenue. This is the market if you don't like the DLC dont buy it and petition others not to buy it. Simple supply and demand will dictate that the price will decrease.

furthermore all of this discussion seems rather moot at this point considering we don't even know what the price will be, if its 800 too much, 400 will most likely be the equilibrium price. for me im not going to buy DLC that is only 2 hours at most for any more than 400 points and even that is a large stretch,

Hell you could purchase like 5 indie games for that amount, or a big mac and coke....mmm big mac and coke.

I have no problem with EA being greedy, it is nessecary for them to survive, but as I said before the practice of cutting out content and then re-selling it is IMO unessecarily greedy and just smacks of disrespect for the deves and the consumers.

As far as the Pandemic thing, I know there was more to it, but I was just using it as an example of how EA cares more about profit than it's developers.

Agreeed, but there aint **** we can do about it but be smart consumers.   Thus the only thing one can do is not buy the content if it is unfarily priced, use self control maybe read a couple of reviews,  if the DLC tanks, EA with conjuction with Bioware will inveitably lower the price,  it how are markets work, they are not alwasy fair, but consumers have alot of power when they mass together. 

One must remember that although bioware (assuming to be the good guys) is like a sister company, or daughter company to EA , it still has sway and can most likely throw one hell a tantrum is EA (assuming too be the bad guys) sets the price to high for this DLC. 

Also developers are the source of income for EA, they generate a large portion of their revenues, Pandemic was most likely capped because they were relatively weak in producing good titiles over the years leading up to their failure.  I cant not say for certain if that was EA's fault or Pandemics,  I would imagine only an unbiased insider could give the details.

Modifié par snappyfingers, 12 mars 2010 - 01:08 .

[ramdog7]

KillaKow wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...

EA: Assuming Direct control

EA: (to your wallet) This Hurts You

Not that this will really cost that much...

How does it go EA-"you exist cuz we allow it, and you will perish cuz we demand it"

[NICKjnp]

ramdog7 wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...

EA: Assuming Direct control

EA: (to your wallet) This Hurts You

Not that this will really cost that much...

How does it go EA-"you exist cuz we allow it, and you will perish cuz we demand it"

"You exist because we allow it, you will end because we demand it!"

[Asheer_Khan]

If Kasumi will be really She-Zaeed character type... then sorry but i already got two other tech specialists (Tali and Legion) to do thier job in C-Base so will be very possible that Kasumi will NOT see Normandy 2 from the inside.

[ramdog7]

NICKjnp wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...

EA: Assuming Direct control

EA: (to your wallet) This Hurts You

Not that this will really cost that much...

How does it go EA-"you exist cuz we allow it, and you will perish cuz we demand it"

"You exist because we allow it, you will end because we demand it!"

 there we go! that wat EA tell BW everyday

[NICKjnp]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

If Kasumi will be really She-Zaeed character type... then sorry but i already got two other tech specialists (Tali and Legion) to do thier job in C-Base so will be very possible that Kasumi will NOT see Normandy 2 from the inside.

I think she is supposed to have overload and ai hacking and be trained as a sniper.

[cachx]

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kasumi





Kasumi as a case of "dem hips" there will be outraged Tali fans !

The voice talent seems to be the same as the one for Branka on DA:O, that gives me a weird mental image :s

[ramdog7]

NICKjnp wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

If Kasumi will be really She-Zaeed character type... then sorry but i already got two other tech specialists (Tali and Legion) to do thier job in C-Base so will be very possible that Kasumi will NOT see Normandy 2 from the inside.

I think she is supposed to have overload and ai hacking and be trained as a sniper.

It think they need to mix it up a bit.
give kasumi overload and incinerate( after she takes down their shield hit them with incinerate and cook the S.O.
Weapons: pistol and sniper

[KillaKow]

snappyfingers wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

snappyfingers wrote...

what happened to pandemic did they totally get taken over by ea against their own will? I thought they were bought out and knew what they were doing when they decided to get bought out. I thought that is how the free markets and capitalism works. i wouldn't necessarily blame everything that happened to pandemic all on EA that is stupid illogical, and simplistic.

While i do agree that EA is greedy, they are all greedy and developer who is that large, has that many investors/shareholders, has to be greedy, otherwise they fail or cant generate revenue. This is the market if you don't like the DLC dont buy it and petition others not to buy it. Simple supply and demand will dictate that the price will decrease.

furthermore all of this discussion seems rather moot at this point considering we don't even know what the price will be, if its 800 too much, 400 will most likely be the equilibrium price. for me im not going to buy DLC that is only 2 hours at most for any more than 400 points and even that is a large stretch,

Hell you could purchase like 5 indie games for that amount, or a big mac and coke....mmm big mac and coke.

I have no problem with EA being greedy, it is nessecary for them to survive, but as I said before the practice of cutting out content and then re-selling it is IMO unessecarily greedy and just smacks of disrespect for the deves and the consumers.

As far as the Pandemic thing, I know there was more to it, but I was just using it as an example of how EA cares more about profit than it's developers.

Agreeed, but there aint **** we can do about it but be smart consumers.   Thus the only thing one can do is not buy the content if it is unfarily priced, use self control maybe read a couple of reviews,  if the DLC tanks, EA with conjuction with Bioware will inveitably lower the price,  it how are markets work, they are not alwasy fair, but consumers have alot of power when they mass together. 

One must remember that although bioware (assuming to be the good guys) is like a sister company, or daughter company to EA , it still has sway and can most likely throw one hell a tantrum is EA (assuming too be the bad guys) sets the price to high for this DLC. 

Also developers are the source of income for EA, they generate a large portion of their revenues, Pandemic was most likely capped because they were relatively weak in producing good titiles over the years leading up to their failure.  I cant not say for certain if that was EA's fault or Pandemics,  I would imagine only an unbiased insider could give the details.

Very good point about the markets, and I would say that this DLC is more of a minor transgression on the part of EA, hence why I'm still willing to buy it. That is, as long as this stays within the standard Bioward DLC price range.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Damn it, you have to pay for that? thats pretty gay