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[Shemsu Anpw]

I'm sure many companies THEESE days design a game to make money. (Wow what a concept.) They plan for a certain additional content to be specifically setup as DLC as obvious by both Zaeed and Kasumi's exclution of a dialogue wheel. They were not meant to be part of the main game. They do not have a recruitment mission cause they were not designed to be part of the main ("Whole") game. They are extras.

But being PLANNED DLC they were worked on in part or fully with the game to make intergration more seemless and to help find bugs and fix them. Put simply they were designed from the start as DLC. They take nothing form the game if not added. We knew before the game came out there would be a new vehicle too and it had been planned for DLC is also obvious.

We have gotten alot of Free DLC if your a new game buyer even if you bought the Cerberus Network card for the 1500  MS points. You have gotten content that as slatted for DLC (Which many I'm sure will pay for cause they didn't see the Cerberus Network as worth it) for free, and considereing the Hammerhead has 5 new missions then that purchase (Cerberus Network) along with the rest and anything else free in the future it is money well spent.

The best DLC is content designed WITH the game so intergration is better/easier. Many games have done this  and will continue to do this. Just because it is "in" the coding somewhere dose not mean it was supposed to be part of the base game. I would not have bought the heavy weapon or Zaeed, but they were free for ME with the Cerberus Network. 


What is sad is that the real reason most of the whinners complain is that they are trying to reverse or change genral public opinion enough to get something free they are not supposed to get and were never going to get for free. As they hope to cause such a huge outcry.  I enjoy ME2 and I appreciate the hard work the company does and its programers. They are not taken for granted from this consumer.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Once again some nice posts by crimzontearz. It certainly gives food for thought.

[ThePasserby]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Once again some nice posts by crimzontearz. It certainly gives food for thought.

Food for thought in a general, academic sense, maybe.

As applied to this DLC, no.

Gamble has confirmed that Kasumi was not cut from the main game in the other Kasumi thread.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Most of the people who praise BioWare for the free DLCs don't seem to realize that 1) Some of those DLCs were content intended to be released as part of the main game, but for whatever reason didn't make it. 2) Some of the free DLCs were part of EA's "Project Ten Dollar".

Systems like Mass Effect 2's Cerberus Network, Dragon Age's DLC network and upcoming launch add-ons for Bad Company 2 are all part of something EA calls "Project Ten Dollar".

That's according to a report in BusinessWeek talking about CEO John Riccitiello's plan to reduce second-hand sales, which the company makes no money from.

The idea, apparently green-lit last autumn, is to include a coupon or redeemable code with every new game which gives the buyer another chunk of content. Without that code, second-hand buyers will have to spend $10 to obtain the missing extras.

Riccitiello told BusinessWeek that despite 11 straight quarters of losses EA is on the up again thanks to its 2010 line-up and strategies like Project Ten Dollar. "You see a six-foot hole that we're in. I'm telling you that we were in a 20-foot hole and we've climbed 14 feet out of it," he said.

As well as providing consumers more reasons to buy games new rather than second-hand, EA also plans to try and stop people trading their games in by tacking multiplayer onto everything - something that rival Ubisoft this week said it was also planning to do.

Source: EA's "Project Ten Dollar" explained.

Now it looks like that the 10 dollar are spend. That's OK. But...

The idea of Project Ten Dollar is recent. And I doubt it existed when DA:O and ME2 were in the planning stage. So, in that light the cutting of content from the main game to produce those free DLCs doesn't seem that strange. Used to that idea Kasumi looks like another example of it. This time we have to pay for it, though.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 mars 2010 - 06:13 .

[crimzontearz]

ThePasserby wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...




Once again some nice posts by crimzontearz. It certainly gives food for thought.

Food for thought in a general, academic sense, maybe.




As applied to this DLC, no.




Gamble has confirmed that Kasumi was not cut from the main game in the other Kasumi thread.

thank you AFW...I try




yes passerby you are right, Gamble confirmed that Kasumi was built from the ground up post release by the dlc team and therefore most probsbly totally on another budget, the audio files and placeholder models were just stand in for the final material and will NOT BE USED in the final product.




Kasumi's lost memory is then a DLC that should be paid for and Bioware's hands are totally clean.....I'll be the first one to gladly spend MS points on it comes April 6th

[AngryFrozenWater]

Maybe I should change my mind as well in this case. I still have a hard time swallowing all the evidence pointing to the contrary, though.

[Ecael]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Maybe I should change my mind as well in this case. I still have a hard time swallowing all the evidence pointing to the contrary, though.

Well, I trust BioWare on this one, but we'll see for sure when the DLC is released.

[RigAudio]

I'm definitely not spending more than 5 bucks on this.

[Akeashar]

The day they pull a Namco, and charge full price for a 256kb file to unlock a character (*sigh* And I still bought Darth Vader for SC4) then they'll be worthy of the distrust with 'locked content on the disk'. If Kasumi does turn out to have completely different voice files from what people have datamined, then I'll point and laugh.



And Blizzard is one of the more evil of companies, since they've had microtransactions for all kinds of things for a long time now... probably the worse being the recently potential reversed paying per character for server transfers, the TCG-only items and pets, and now the online pet shop.

[Darth Garrus]

Funny how some people still think that other people´s work should come out for free.



The game is whole by itself. Whatever comes extra is due to more hard work, many more hours, costs from many sources, and etc. It just adds more possibilities to an already complete game. It must have a price. And no one has to buy it. It´s optional. It would only be foul play if the game needed it to be complete. It does not. And before anyone says, no, I didn´t expect more than what I bought with the game box. I just expected a full game, and I received it. It´s only fair that I pay if I want extra stuff.



I hope they sell a lot of those, and produce more and more additional, paying content. Maybe if they sell a lot of those, we can even have more free stuff, like weapons, armors, and etc. And more willingness to correct even the small technical defects.

[jtav]

Slightly OT, but could someone guess as to the file size on this? It's hell for me to get any DLC, but this sounds interesting.

[bjdbwea]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Now it looks like that the 10 dollar are spend. That's OK. But...

The idea of Project Ten Dollar is recent. And I doubt it existed when DA:O and ME2 were in the planning stage. So, in that light the cutting of content from the main game to produce those free DLCs doesn't seem that strange. Used to that idea Kasumi looks like another example of it. This time we have to pay for it, though.

I would certainly not have paid 10 bucks for the "free" DLC we got so far. It's nice I guess, but... not worth that amount of money. If that's already been all, it's certainly not enough to prevent me from buying a game second-hand.

[Gumbeaux Jr]

Some pics...



http://news.teamxbox...ry-DLC-Screens/

[Zulmoka531]

It may make people angry to have to pay for Kasumi, but so far I've enjoyed Mass Effect 2 so much Ive set out to try and get an import for every class for ME3.



That being said, if the Kasumi DLC can add to the already very enjoyable game, then I have no problem shelling out $10 to make it even that much better. Personally if this money is going to Bioware and can make ME3 even better than ME2, then by all means.



My only hope is that we don't get DLC that costs over $15 on a frequent basis, then my belief in Bioware and my new found respect for EA will falter again.

[Darth Garrus]

That´s it, Zulmoka. I think the price must be compatible with the fact that it is just an extra to a game, and the amount of gameplay it offers. I would have gladly payed for "Bring Down the Sky", for the great fun it added. On the other hand, I didn´t even bother to buy "Pinnacle Station", because I saw it before, read the reviews, and it was really bad. It added exactly to what ME1 was bad, the shooting. It is optional, and I hope they keep doing great DLCs. Being good, I´ll pay for it. I prefer story driven DLCs. I don´t know if I would pay for "Pinnacle Station" like DLCs (shooting galore...). So I really hope they give us quality content. I would gladly pay for it.

[R-F]

Nyaore wrote...

Here's hoping she isn't just another Zaeed with barely any interactable dialogue on board the Normandy.
As for pricing.. Shale was worth around $15 dollars for those people who purchased a used copy from what I remember, but then again Shale was a complete companion with its own quests and interactions in the main storyline. I guess it just depends upon how integrated Kasumi really is.

this^ i'll get her for the achievement, but i really hope you can actually talk to her. Zaeed would have been a way cooler character if you could talk to him. i think in my next run im just going to let him die on his ****** revenge mission.

[Yeled]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Funny how some people still think that other people´s work should come out for free.

The game is whole by itself. Whatever comes extra is due to more hard work, many more hours, costs from many sources, and etc. It just adds more possibilities to an already complete game. It must have a price. And no one has to buy it. It´s optional. It would only be foul play if the game needed it to be complete. It does not. And before anyone says, no, I didn´t expect more than what I bought with the game box. I just expected a full game, and I received it. It´s only fair that I pay if I want extra stuff.

I hope they sell a lot of those, and produce more and more additional, paying content. Maybe if they sell a lot of those, we can even have more free stuff, like weapons, armors, and etc. And more willingness to correct even the small technical defects.

I personally don't mind paying for dlc of high quality.  I don't even mind of they develop dlc in conjunction with the main game, release it later, and charge extra.  But it has to be good, it has to add something significant to the game, and there needs to be value.  I haven't even bothered downloading most of the free content outside what was available from day one at launch, so that tells you how much I value that content.  I probably won't download the Hammerhead, and I probably won't pay $5 for the Kasumi dlc because it doesn't interest me that much.

I'm more keen on paying for significant content like Awakenings, even at its significantly higher price.

[Kristofer1]

90 minutes for ten bucks? i dont think so. rip off. i'll wait until its free. make it relevant to the length of the actual game then charge ten bucks. but not for something that should be up to 90 minutes.

[Asheer_Khan]

IF Kasumi is brand new stuff independent from game then i am Emperor Palpatine...

Maybe 5 year old will believe in this corporation crap talk but i live too long on this world to notice when somebody start to play balls whit me...

If this is completely new stuff then WHY THERE IS SO MANY KASUMI RELATED FILES within game catalogs???????????

Damn... you known what?
This game should be released whit title MASS EFFECT - DOG OF HADES - STAND ALONE GAME... because this game (it's great that i can admit) have not a slightest connection whit MASS EFFECT 1 and that's i have more bad fellings for ME 3 because Bioware choses to divert almost entire ME 1 team to work at SW ToR (by the way i wonder if this MMO will be started before 2012...) instead of complete Mass Effect trilogy (Iby the way i wonder if Mr Walters even KNOWN meaning of word TRILOGY???) in first place.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 12 mars 2010 - 08:52 .

[Darth Garrus]

Fair enough, Yeled. But Awakening is an expansion, almost another full game. I mean, it is another game, just it is based on the first, and smaller.



I hope it adds considerable more, and lots of hours of gameplay. The price is a little too high for a, in my opinion, not so great game (flawed in some important aspects, as storytelling).



I would love to see an expansion to ME2, because I think the main story may be rushed for ME3 if they don´t do it right.

[ThePasserby]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

IF Kasumi is brand new stuff independent from game then i am Emperor Palpatine...

Maybe 5 year old will believe in this corporation crap talk but i live too long on this world to notice when somebody start to play balls whit me...

If this is completely new stuff then WHY THERE IS SO MANY KASUMI RELATED FILES within game catalogs???????????.

Read Michael Gamble's post in the other Kasumi thread.

[Yeled]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Fair enough, Yeled. But Awakening is an expansion, almost another full game. I mean, it is another game, just it is based on the first, and smaller.

I hope it adds considerable more, and lots of hours of gameplay. The price is a little too high for a, in my opinion, not so great game (flawed in some important aspects, as storytelling).

I would love to see an expansion to ME2, because I think the main story may be rushed for ME3 if they don´t do it right.

Agreed.  I'd really like to see an ME2 expansion (Shadow Broker story arc!).  And yeah, Awakenings price is too high.  But since I'm interested in adding signficant story, I'm much more willing to shell out a few extra dollars if I know that's what I'm going to get.  Even if the value of content per dollar isn't quite there.

Modifié par Yeled, 12 mars 2010 - 09:04 .

[Hepzi3]

Im going to go against conventional wisdom here and hope paid means Cerberus Network, Though I highly doubt it.



Looks like Ill be playing Dragon Age and Bad Company 2 for the next several months. Shame they have to charge for Kasumi, I was actually looking forward to that DLC.

[RhythmlessNinja]

If I have to pay for it, eh, who cares? I've gotten plenty of free dlc for this game already. Paying for this wouldnt hurt at all. And if you don't want to buy it then don't, who cares? You do that, and I'll enjoy the new dlc.



If the DLC comes out in decent time frames, and I learn the price of it, whats to stop me from saving a few bucks till release? All these people "revolting" against paid content make me laugh, it's not like your shelling out a fortune lol nor are you obligated to buy it. Who cares if she was in the game already, she's NOT in there now & they are handing her over for a price (supposedly). Better than her not being obtainable at all, and again...with all the free content they have given I'm not one to complain, especially after the free Hammerhead.

[Satanicfirewraith]

kraidy1117 wrote...

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

Your joking right???
What you think they worked on and completed the day one DLC after the game launched??
It HAD to be completed before the game launched, and already incorperated into the game so it was ready for day one.

Why are people so damn stupid...