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[Satanicfirewraith]

Ramikadyc wrote...

In the time it takes for someone to hear this news, log in to these forums, and complain about the DLC not being free, you could have gone out and made enough money to pay for the DLC.

Just saying.

Maybe so but why do you want to pay for something that should be ingame already but was removed just so you had to buy it.

[Satanicfirewraith]

jamskinner wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

What TAO is saying is that they cut that content as a form of DRM, that if you pirate the game or buy it on a second hand market you will not have the full game. However they've gone the step further of now charging for content they have cut simply because they can, probably because Bioware atm is EA's cash cow it seems.

Exactly. I knew they'd pull this eventually. I just hoped they'd have the decency to wait to charge for DLC that's actually new and not using assets pulled from the game.
Never underestimate EA's depravity.

So would you rather they never release the half finished content we are getting now and just work on new stuff?

No I would rather them taken a extra couple months and finished the content instead of removing it so thay can nickle and dime us for it.
On or before E3 09 BW stated without question you had 12 squadmates. by Sept. 09 the dozen was removed.
The hammerhead was confrimed at E309 as being ingame and replacing the Mako, then magical it was no longer ingame and is now up as dlc.
Now the 12th mender of our squad is coming out, and they want to charge us for it.... for something that was already supposta be part of the game to begin with. Something that IS already 80% done and IN GAME NOW.
Yet they want to charge us to have that content in the game again.
Its flatout wrong. (and imo should be illegal! and punishable by law)

[GothamLord]

Blame EA, not BioWare. EA set the release date not BioWare. Based on the deadline they had to decide what was game worthy and what was DLC worthy.

[Satanicfirewraith]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

guy if its a pack it most likely gonna be 1200 points or 5.99 so yeah you guys are ridiculous  so what we have to pay for it big deal they have to make money some how do't you guys want good resources for ME3
Free Content                                               Paid Content
Zaeed Messani                                              Kasumi pack
Fire Walker Pack
Flamethrower(Zaeed mission)
Cerberus armor
Sentry Interface
Umbra Visor
Recon hood
Noramndy crashsite

EDIT
Free Content                                               Paid Content
Zaeed Messani                                              Kasumi pack
Fire Walker Pack                                           Sentry Interface
Flamethrower(Zaeed mission)                  Umbra Visor
Cerberus armor                                             Recon hood
Noramndy crashsite

Fixed it for you

[Satanicfirewraith]

Ramikadyc wrote...

Provide TWENTY free DLC items then charge for ONE and you no longer become a benign developer/publisher, you become a money-grubbing corporate jerk. That's some of society for ya'. Nothing to do but tolerate them, while we pay our measly five dollars and enjoy brand new stuff that has been added to our fully-complete-and-then-some game we've already purchased.

Only when they try and charge us for content that is already ingame and was disabled to sell back to us at a later date.

[Lambu1]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...


EDIT
Free Content                                               Paid Content
Zaeed Messani                                              Kasumi pack
Fire Walker Pack                                           Sentry Interface
Flamethrower(Zaeed mission)                  Umbra Visor
Cerberus armor                                             Recon hood
Noramndy crashsite

Fixed it for you

why would you pay something that can be easily had for free. any google search of these items will show how.  thats how i got them

[Satanicfirewraith]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

that's completely different

No its not.
Its just on a bigger scale.
How bout this one
You buy the new next gen game console, get home open it up and you get this card. On the card it says you have to call an 800 number to register your newly bought console so the can send you the the controler, stand and memery unit for free, but you have to pay an extra $150.00 for the special power supply to actually power up your new next gen console that you just paided for.

[Asheer_Khan]

This whole situation is one huge slap in faces of everybody who bought ME 2 in day of premiere (like me) paying sometimes 50$.



IF i known what content is inside this FPS game (sorry guys but ME 2 after introducing that bot character is no longer RPG game) i would wait half year or longer until this game will become little cheaper in shops.

But my idiotic trust in Bioware led me to purchase this game for premiere price only to discover that this is not the game i was expected to get.

Now i will seriously wait for very deep reviews of ME 3 before i will ever consider to purchase this last part, and seeing how Bioware official deliberately lie to us about origin of Kasumi was so to speak last straw which destroyed remain sparks of my trust in Bioware...

[Satanicfirewraith]

Killer Instinct wrote...

ConVito wrote...

Dammit Bioware! I thought you were all about the fans! Now you spring this on us, a character that was already in game but you cut before release so you could sell it later and make more cash. If BW really cares about its fans, Kasumi will be on Cerberus network and be free just like the Hammerhead.

Considering how much free DLC we've already been granted(with the promise of more to come) at this point this type of reasoning is a cross between ungrateful and selfish.

Its not when its content that was removed for the game, to be sold back to us as this dlc is!

[Satanicfirewraith]

snappyfingers wrote...

what happened to pandemic did they totally get taken over by ea against their own will? I thought they were bought out and knew what they were doing when they decided to get bought out. I thought that is how the free markets and capitalism works. i wouldn't necessarily blame everything that happened to pandemic all on EA that is stupid illogical, and simplistic.

While i do agree that EA is greedy, they are all greedy and developer who is that large, has that many investors/shareholders, has to be greedy, otherwise they fail or cant generate revenue. This is the market if you don't like the DLC dont buy it and petition others not to buy it. Simple supply and demand will dictate that the price will decrease.

furthermore all of this discussion seems rather moot at this point considering we don't even know what the price will be, if its 800 too much, 400 will most likely be the equilibrium price. for me im not going to buy DLC that is only 2 hours at most for any more than 400 points and even that is a large stretch,

Hell you could purchase like 5 indie games for that amount, or a big mac and coke....mmm big mac and coke.

No.
Pandemic/BioWares parent company, Elevation partners were bought out by EA, (on a side know one of the CEO's of this parent company was the former head of EA) which means EA now owns both Pandemic and BW, reguardless of what either company wanted.

[Satanicfirewraith]

Busomjack wrote...

Screw all you cheapskates who are whining about paying for Kasumi. This is Bioware we're talking about here. If you're not willing to pay for DLC, you're not a true Bioware fan.

And only stupid assclowns would blindly pay for something that was purposly removed from their already paid for game to be sold back to us later for more money.

I dont care WHAT company/Developer it is.

[GothamLord]

People need to stop being vindictive however about stuff removed from the game. Anything that was removed was most likely for 2 reasons... 1) to meet the deadline that big daddy EA set and 2) because in there money hungry mindset demanded a certin amount of DLC for release over the months following release.

[RickettsZ22]

Thats weird the last time i checked the video game industry is still an industry. industry are made up of business, business sole purpose is to make money, no matter how much someone says the care about customer service, these people wouldn't be making games if they couldn't make money.

[GothamLord]

I fully agree that company's need to make money. I fully support the idea of capitalism. I do however question EAs motives as they have a bad track record of withholding on purpose to charge for more later.

[skuld1]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

And only stupid assclowns would blindly pay for something that was purposly removed from their already paid for game to be sold back to us later for more money.

I dont care WHAT company/Developer it is.

From one of the other Kasumi threads:

Michael Gamble (BioWare)
wrote...

none of the kasumi content was cut from the game (this
also goes for the free cerberus content). it was developed from the
ground up after the game. the only stuff that was in the game at the
time of ship is the stuff you can find in the stubs.

when looking
at the value of the pack, the playtime is only half of the picture.
where other competing dlc modules may use recycled tilesets and existing
characters, kasumis mission is entirely new. not to mention - a new SMG
that you get to use for the length of the game - and Kasumi (and her
powers and alternate costume).

from a value perspective, we've
been trying to give away quality free items via cerberus so far (and
again, none of it was cut from the main game - its all brand new. not
many developers out there care this much). so when it comes to bioware
quality paid content, we hope the reception will be good as well.

The way I see it, you have three options here:

1) Provide actual evidence that the content was complete at launch and purposefully removed (something like a developer interview or dev post on the forums, or internal e-mails/memos from EA or BIoware)

2) You can step up right now and call Michael Gamble a f****** liar.

3) Give me a good reason why I should take your word (some random angry person) over the word of one of the developers.

Your call.

[RAIDENKUN]

Type in " mass effect Kasumi" on youtube and see what you find, pal. There's already a placeholder of Kasumi accessible via PC with dialog and all (you can even get her to run through the air vents in the final mission). That's all the proof I need. How about you?

Modifié par RAIDENKUN, 13 mars 2010 - 01:32 .

[GothamLord]

Gamble is also an employee of EA that has the job of posting on these forums. Saying anything negative about EA would not be good for his career either. Based on old "dirty dozen" I'm still inclinded to believe things were cut in the development stages. I doubt well ever get a full layout of the creation process, but I don't fault BioWare for this DLC fiasco.

[Satanicfirewraith]

Lambu1 wrote...

Satanicfirewraith wrote...


EDIT
Free Content                                               Paid Content
Zaeed Messani                                              Kasumi pack
Fire Walker Pack                                           Sentry Interface
Flamethrower(Zaeed mission)                  Umbra Visor
Cerberus armor                                             Recon hood
Noramndy crashsite

Fixed it for you

why would you pay something that can be easily had for free. any google search of these items will show how.  thats how i got them

Because of a glitch, its free, technicly its content you have to pay for.
Before that glitch was discovered, one had to buy at least 3 bottles of DP. and it was only stateside. Not even Canada got those DP codes off DP.
It was from someone giving them one online.
So they were paided content.

[Darth Garrus]

Don´t cry, "I want everything free"-people. Just buy less Popsicle and you´ll be able to buy the DLC.



But seriously, I already think that the game is bloated with companions. Even if they had one more and decided to cut it, it´s ok. It´s done in games, movies, plays, and etc. Too many characters for the main quest. Especially for those playing for the first time. They just decided that people probably would want it as an extra. And that´s what it is. It´s optional. If you think it´s not worth it, don´t buy. I think it was a story-related decision, and a fair one. And it´s just good as an extra. Come on, a team of 12 (Shep included) isn´t enough? And since they worked on it anyway, it´s only fair to pay if you want the extra.



Grow up, get a job, and buy the extras if you want to.

[DuffyMJ]

 I think the reason people are upset really boils down to (for you super-young gamers) that a lot of us (and I'm not that old, I was born in '86) grew up with extra downloadable goodies for video games being 100% free.  This includes built-from-the-ground-up multiplayer maps and game modes (Jedi Knight series, Valve games, Quake series, Unreal, et al), singe player content (Star Wars/Lucas art games, Sierra Online adventure games), and then the tradition cheap $20-$30 expansion pack model which added SIGNIFICANT amounts of game and story instead of this incredibly unsatisfying 1-2 hour deadweight (this Kasumi thing will reveal NOTHING about the greater war against the Reapers which is what everyone and their brother here actually cares about, not some stupid art dealer chick.  These include:

- Wing Commander Special Operations packs
- Star-Craft Brood Wars
- Rainbow Six's various expansions (Urban operations, gold eagle, etc.)
- X Wing Vs. Tie Fighter's Balance of Power expansion pack (added two story campaigns!)
- Empire at War's Forces of Corruption
- Age of Empires Rise of Rome Expansion ; AOE 2's barbarian invasion pack
- Shogun Total War's Mongol Invasions pack


So see the thing I'm saying is that companies used to very regularly put out 20-30 dollar expansion packs which were essentially sequels basically only without a new engine designed for the game. (maybe a few game play tweaks and new units, but that's about it).  The problem with Kasumi DLC is that you're charging half to a third the price of a proper expansion pack, but... nothing major is happening in the overall plot of the game (the Reaper war, you're only giving another 1.5 hours of side-plot/story, you're adding a non-fully immersive squad member, and you're adding gimmicks like a new SMG.  Big whoops.  Let's go after Harbinger, who gives a crap about an SMG and flash grenade?

So that's my take on it.  Will I buy it?  Yes.  But will I be satisfied with it?  Eh, probably not, I would really much rather have a proper expansion pack that actually advances the story.  I would rather have that than ANY DLC content, free or not, I really don't care.  The free content isn't that great (and this is coming from someone who actually bought terminus code on ebay, dragon age just for blood dragon armor, etc.) and comes off as uninspired when you think about the breadth of weapons and armor options in Mass Effect 1. 

[JJDrakken]

http://kotaku.com/54...re-earth-teases

[DuffyMJ]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Don´t cry, "I want everything free"-people. Just buy less Popsicle and you´ll be able to buy the DLC.

But seriously, I already think that the game is bloated with companions. Even if they had one more and decided to cut it, it´s ok. It´s done in games, movies, plays, and etc. Too many characters for the main quest. Especially for those playing for the first time. They just decided that people probably would want it as an extra. And that´s what it is. It´s optional. If you think it´s not worth it, don´t buy. I think it was a story-related decision, and a fair one. And it´s just good as an extra. Come on, a team of 12 (Shep included) isn´t enough? And since they worked on it anyway, it´s only fair to pay if you want the extra.

Grow up, get a job, and buy the extras if you want to.

I agree, I think story writers these days really need to go back to the basics -- like Aristotle basics.

Everything is better in 3's is what I say.  3 ropes to tie a box, 3 variables to make a parsimonious experiment, 3 actors in a good play, 3 types of shots (establishing, close-up, mid-range) for a good scene...

3 is so great...

[PARAGON87]

Sorry if I didn't go through 18 pages of forums, but you guys know they announced the price right?

It's 560 MS Points ($7)

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[Gingeraids]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

This whole situation is one huge slap in faces of everybody who bought ME 2 in day of premiere (like me) paying sometimes 50$.

IF i known what content is inside this FPS game (sorry guys but ME 2 after introducing that bot character is no longer RPG game) i would wait half year or longer until this game will become little cheaper in shops.
But my idiotic trust in Bioware led me to purchase this game for premiere price only to discover that this is not the game i was expected to get.
Now i will seriously wait for very deep reviews of ME 3 before i will ever consider to purchase this last part, and seeing how Bioware official deliberately lie to us about origin of Kasumi was so to speak last straw which destroyed remain sparks of my trust in Bioware...

Soooooooooo.....I take it the original 25+ hour long, Action RPG, filled with wonderful characters, worlds, storylines, and side missions, along with all the DLC doesn't count as a full game to you, because one pack of DLC that wasn't present at launch comes out a few months after the game?

They're not being evil by wanting money for some of their work, you're just selfish.

I have a great idea friends. Either buy it or don't. Shut up already.

[Kristofer1]

having a non fully immersed side kick makes the game even less for an rpg and more of a shooter. amazing. another shooter. and to think i bought the game because it was going to be a rpg. apparently i was wrong, sequels now change game play. cut content and then charge that same cut content as DLC which has nothing to do with the story the series is based on. reapers. amazing. at least make it a worthwhile mission or something. something interesting. like the asteroid thing for ME1. even though that was a waste as well. at least it was a RPG