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#101
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JeanLuc761 wrote...

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The DLC probably just unlocks her and adds the loyalty mission thats it. Its understandable that people are mad about paying for it.


No, no it's not understandable.  At all.  Bioware has given us a phenomenal amount of DLC so far, all entirely free.  We should be grateful.  

Instead, people are whining that we're going to have to pay for a character who obviously wasn't finished for the final cut of the game.  Somebody had to put the work in folks; why shouldn't they get paid for it? 

If all of the content was entirely on the disc, I'd be inclined to agree with those who are complaining.  Since that's not the case, that means extra work had to go into Kasumi and there is no reason Bioware shouldn't ask to be paid for the hard work.


Perfect!. Finally someone said it.

We been getting good amount of free dlc already.
So why not pay $5-15 for the next dlc installment. Hell we get a hole new vehicle soon+5 missions, and its free!.

To the ranting mob: Is it because some of you cant afford dlc's, or is it something deeper?.

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I'm going to download anything Bioware makes.



Do I have to pay? Probably, I don't care. This guys deserve it, I appreciate they add content to the game.

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Asheer_Khan wrote...

@JeanLuc761.

After watching some ripped off by modders from inside game files content related to Kasumi (they were able to get her in S-mission as fully active squad member so that's speak for itself) i dare to say that within those files there is about 80% content already and this DLC will be just her activator which will allow us to use her in full form.


With respect, that's a pretty wild assumption to make.  The suicide mission consists of what...maybe 20-30 spoken lines?  Unless her loyalty mission is somewhere in those files, then the developers have done a substantial amount of extra work on her.

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Damn you BioWare, this DLC better be good or I'll start torrent downloading them instead.

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Kasumi itself has been cut, but I'm going to withhold judgement regarding the mission(s), we don't have enough info about that.



@Zhijn, Return to Ostagar was maybe 90-95 percent reused content and that game has mod tools so thats why I'm a bit weary

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Relinquished2 wrote...

Damn you BioWare, this DLC better be good or I'll start torrent downloading them instead.


Ouch, I'm sure that'll bankrupt them.

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Ramikadyc wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
The DLC probably just unlocks her and adds the loyalty mission thats it. Its understandable that people are mad about paying for it.


No, no it's not understandable.  At all.  Bioware has given us a phenomenal amount of DLC so far, all entirely free.  We should be grateful.  

Instead, people are whining that we're going to have to pay for a character who obviously wasn't finished for the final cut of the game.  Somebody had to put the work in folks; why shouldn't they get paid for it? 

If all of the content was entirely on the disc, I'd be inclined to agree with those who are complaining.  Since that's not the case, that means extra work had to go into Kasumi and there is no reason Bioware shouldn't ask to be paid for the hard work.


Totally agree with this. Just because the voice is already recorded--most likely because the recording was done at the same time as everyone else's--doesn't mean her character is already on the disc. That's idiot's reasoning.



Well since you want to resort to insulting, your the idiot. If you watch the videos, you'll know that it isn't just her voice thats in there. A placeholder model was created, and the character selection data was already in game. The only thing they had to do was put her loyalty mission, and modify the map of the normandy to include her. Maybe a little Kismet and Matinee editing in there, but nothing too hard. I'm pretty sure it didn't take them 3 months to make her loyalty mission, and possibly the new smg weapon. I'm in the gaming industry, and I am using the same exact tools they are using - UnrealED with the UE3 engine. If it takes them THAT long to make those simple things, then thats sad. And because i know how the Editor works, and how game design works, I know that it isn't normal to do half of a character, leave them out of the game, then finish the other half later on and sell the other half as DLC. 1st. Thats EA's philosophy. One of the big reasons people hate EA with a passion. They have a reputation for ruining companies and cutting content from games to sell as DLC later on. Don't believe me? Personally i don't care, but i suggest you look it up before you argue in contradiction to my statement. 2nd. Its not efficient to work on a specific area of a project, when your in game design, only to do half of it, and do the rest at a later date. At the company i work at, when you're given a specific project to do, you are also given a deadline that it needs to be completed by. They don't hand us a project and say "get to it, and maybe you can finish it before the game gets released". No, we have a specific time period that we need to develop our content within. That is our primary goal, creating that content and meeting that deadline. Any reputable game developers do this. Its not professional, or organized, to just hand someone a project and not give them a deadline. I like Bioware, I am in no way angry at them. But I do not like EA. And i'm afraid EA is going to run Bioware out of business because if they continue with their same marketing strategies, they're going to lose a lot of customers and fans.

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Who cares if you have to pay for it. We have gotten a free squadmate, weapons, armor and the Hammerhead with 5 new missions for free! Paying for a squadmate is not that bad in my mind.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
The DLC probably just unlocks her and adds the loyalty mission thats it. Its understandable that people are mad about paying for it.


No, no it's not understandable.  At all.  Bioware has given us a phenomenal amount of DLC so far, all entirely free.  We should be grateful.  

Instead, people are whining that we're going to have to pay for a character who obviously wasn't finished for the final cut of the game.  Somebody had to put the work in folks; why shouldn't they get paid for it? 

If all of the content was entirely on the disc, I'd be inclined to agree with those who are complaining.  Since that's not the case, that means extra work had to go into Kasumi and there is no reason Bioware shouldn't ask to be paid for the hard work.


Totally agree with this. Just because the voice is already recorded--most likely because the recording was done at the same time as everyone else's--doesn't mean her character is already on the disc. That's idiot's reasoning.



Well since you want to resort to insulting, your the idiot. If you watch the videos, you'll know that it isn't just her voice thats in there. A placeholder model was created, and the character selection data was already in game. The only thing they had to do was put her loyalty mission, and modify the map of the normandy to include her. Maybe a little Kismet and Matinee editing in there, but nothing too hard. I'm pretty sure it didn't take them 3 months to make her loyalty mission, and possibly the new smg weapon. I'm in the gaming industry, and I am using the same exact tools they are using - UnrealED with the UE3 engine. If it takes them THAT long to make those simple things, then thats sad. And because i know how the Editor works, and how game design works, I know that it isn't normal to do half of a character, leave them out of the game, then finish the other half later on and sell the other half as DLC. 1st. Thats EA's philosophy. One of the big reasons people hate EA with a passion. They have a reputation for ruining companies and cutting content from games to sell as DLC later on. Don't believe me? Personally i don't care, but i suggest you look it up before you argue in contradiction to my statement. 2nd. Its not efficient to work on a specific area of a project, when your in game design, only to do half of it, and do the rest at a later date. At the company i work at, when you're given a specific project to do, you are also given a deadline that it needs to be completed by. They don't hand us a project and say "get to it, and maybe you can finish it before the game gets released". No, we have a specific time period that we need to develop our content within. That is our primary goal, creating that content and meeting that deadline. Any reputable game developers do this. Its not professional, or organized, to just hand someone a project and not give them a deadline. I like Bioware, I am in no way angry at them. But I do not like EA. And i'm afraid EA is going to run Bioware out of business because if they continue with their same marketing strategies, they're going to lose a lot of customers and fans.


Who cares? We have got alot of free stuff, so paying for it is not that bad. Sigh so many cry babies here.

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WHAT AMOUNT???



Except DR Pepper codes on Cerberus network are available FOUR DLCs (Normandy crash site, Zaeed, Armor + Shotgun and latest ARC gun... IF this is good amount of DLCs justifing (oh yes i forget incoming Firewalker DLC) switching off to pay2play DLCs then i have really bad fellings about this.




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kraidy1117 wrote...

Who cares if you have to pay for it. We have gotten a free squadmate, weapons, armor and the Hammerhead with 5 new missions for free! Paying for a squadmate is not that bad in my mind.


None of it was free.
It was all cut from the game.

We already paid for it.

I really wish people would stop thinking that the DLC was ever "free".
It was a convoluted form of DRM and second-hand sale control. Not to my taste but I accepted it. Now making us pay for stuff that was cut from the game is degenerating right back to standard EA bullcrap.

Modifié par The Angry One, 11 mars 2010 - 11:27 .


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It's just one character, one that's not crucial. Even if she was initially meant to be in the game, for some reason it was decided she won't be. Without DLC we would never have seen her again, as is the case with most games where content is cut for various reasons. In this case, it's clear that BW decided to keep working on her and release her as a paid DLC, which costs them money. Had all the assets for this DLC been on the disc, the complainers here would have been somewhat justified. Since we have no way of knowing exactly how much content was already in the game when they decided to cut it, it's a pointless speculation. Bottom line: don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that. Expecting BW to work for free is just insulting to their developers IMO.



Quit whining.

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Why do people keep saying bioware has already given us a lot of free DLC?

I only know of 2 weapons and a piece of armor. The cerberus network DLC does not count.

It was tooken from the game and added as DLC to fight used game sales. So again why do people keep saying this game has a lot of DLC?

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chubert wrote...

Why do people keep saying bioware has already given us a lot of free DLC?
I only know of 2 weapons and a piece of armor. The cerberus network DLC does not count.
It was tooken from the game and added as DLC to fight used game sales. So again why do people keep saying this game has a lot of DLC?


Because people see it for download, and are told it's free, so they go "WOW BIOWARE ARE TEH GENEROUS" and don't think about the true implications of it.

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The Angry One wrote...
None of it was free.
It was all cut from the game.

We already paid for it.

I really wish people would stop thinking that the DLC was ever "free".
It was a convoluted form of DRM and second-hand sale control. Not to my taste but I accepted it. Now making us pay for stuff that was cut from the game is degenerating right back to standard EA bullcrap.

And do we have proof that all of this was cut or or are people just assuming that in an attempt to feel "justified?"

I'm honestly dumbfounded here.  After everything Bioware has done and all they've given us, people are this readily dismissing this as an immoral business decision?  What the hell happened to trust?

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Well I got everything for free thanks to that mistake Microsoft did, sucks to be PC gamers I guess.

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JeanLuc761 wrote...

And do we have proof that all of this was cut or or are people just assuming that in an attempt to feel "justified?"

I'm honestly dumbfounded here.  After everything Bioware has done and all they've given us, people are this readily dismissing this as an immoral business decision?  What the hell happened to trust?


The Kasumi evidence is obvious.
Then there's the Hammerhead, the elevator listing on the Normandy mentions the Hammerhead despite it not being there, as does EDI in the cargo room.
Normandy crash site/Zaeed were available on the day of release.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Well I got everything for free thanks to that mistake Microsoft did, sucks to be PC gamers I guess.


You miss the point. They took out things that should've been included in the price of the game.

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What TAO is saying is that they cut that content as a form of DRM, that if you pirate the game or buy it on a second hand market you will not have the full game. However they've gone the step further of now charging for content they have cut simply because they can, probably because Bioware atm is EA's cash cow it seems.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
The DLC probably just unlocks her and adds the loyalty mission thats it. Its understandable that people are mad about paying for it.


No, no it's not understandable.  At all.  Bioware has given us a phenomenal amount of DLC so far, all entirely free.  We should be grateful.  

Instead, people are whining that we're going to have to pay for a character who obviously wasn't finished for the final cut of the game.  Somebody had to put the work in folks; why shouldn't they get paid for it? 

If all of the content was entirely on the disc, I'd be inclined to agree with those who are complaining.  Since that's not the case, that means extra work had to go into Kasumi and there is no reason Bioware shouldn't ask to be paid for the hard work.


Totally agree with this. Just because the voice is already recorded--most likely because the recording was done at the same time as everyone else's--doesn't mean her character is already on the disc. That's idiot's reasoning.



Well since you want to resort to insulting, your the idiot. If you watch the videos, you'll know that it isn't just her voice thats in there. A placeholder model was created----.


I stopped reading right there. I would insult you directly (which I never did to anyone), but your quality post full of quality information did it all for me.

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The Angry One wrote...

Because people see it for download, and are told it's free, so they go "WOW BIOWARE ARE TEH GENEROUS" and don't think about the true implications of it.


If they wanted, they could have charged for it too.

I can only imagine if this gets delayed, I can't wait for a RtO sh*tstorm part 2 :whistle:

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The Angry One wrote...

I really wish people would stop thinking that the DLC was ever "free".
It was a convoluted form of DRM and second-hand sale control. Not to my taste but I accepted it. Now making us pay for stuff that was cut from the game is degenerating right back to standard EA bullcrap.


Depends on the price. If they make us pay $3-$5 for this then it's oddly generous EA bullcrap. But (and this is the more likely outcome) if they make us pay $8-$10 for it, then it's standard EA bullcrap. Why do they expect us to blindly go along with paying one sixth of the full game's cost for significantly less content? That is, assuming EA don't decide to be oddly generous, though that might be a good thing, as EA being generous is a sign of the Apocalypse

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when I said, back on the old DA:O forums, that the handling of WK was the beginning of a slippery slope I was laughed at....and here we are now....with bioware releasing a non free dlc package the content of which is already half inside the game we already paid for.....

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

What TAO is saying is that they cut that content as a form of DRM, that if you pirate the game or buy it on a second hand market you will not have the full game. However they've gone the step further of now charging for content they have cut simply because they can, probably because Bioware atm is EA's cash cow it seems.


Exactly. I knew they'd pull this eventually. I just hoped they'd have the decency to wait to charge for DLC that's actually new and not using assets pulled from the game.
Never underestimate EA's depravity.

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The Angry One wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

And do we have proof that all of this was cut or or are people just assuming that in an attempt to feel "justified?"

I'm honestly dumbfounded here.  After everything Bioware has done and all they've given us, people are this readily dismissing this as an immoral business decision?  What the hell happened to trust?


The Kasumi evidence is obvious.
Then there's the Hammerhead, the elevator listing on the Normandy mentions the Hammerhead despite it not being there, as does EDI in the cargo room.
Normandy crash site/Zaeed were available on the day of release.


You paid 1500 points (don't know about PC owners) for the card or got it in a new game. We got Zaeed, Normandys crash site, Firestorm gun, Cerberus armor, Arc gun and the Hammerhead. In my case since I was on the 360, even with the Collectors edition Microsoft made a huge mistake and I was able to download EVERYTHING! All promotional stuff, the things that where on Cerberus network on day one. So in my case I payed nothing so far for any DLC.