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[kraidy1117]

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Where is your proof expect for Hammerhead and Kasumie? Thats right you have no proof that the other stuff was already in the game. If you don't want to pay, then don't no one is forcing you, I would like it to be free but it's not going to happen and to start complaining like a baby is not going to help.

Yeah it's not at all suspicious that Zaeed/Normandy crash site were available at release or anything.

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

[Asheer_Khan]

What happened whit promise that all who register Cerberus network card will get DLCs for free??



Apparently rEApers sold too less copies of ME 2 to stick to that promise...

[Ecael]

stillnotking wrote...

BW is the best developer in the industry.  They make fantastic games at very reasonable prices AND hand out a ton of DLC stuff for free.  Of course, you ungrateful asses can think of nothing but the horrific injustice of having to skip one trip to Starbucks to pay for the Kasumi pack.

How about this: if it isn't worth five bucks to you, then don't f***ing buy it.

Correction: BioWare makes fantastic games at very reasonable prices, BUT makes terrible post-release DLC. That is their biggest flaw, and is probably due to the amount of effort and money spent in releasing the original game.

DLC doesn't detract from the overall quality of BioWare's games, but they can be terrible by themselves.

It's a great thing GameRankings doesn't have separate rankings for BioWare DLC.

[Nozybidaj]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

What happened whit promise that all who register Cerberus network card will get DLCs for free??

Apparently rEApers sold too less copies of ME 2 to stick to that promise...

We have gotten free DLC.  Not ALL of the DLC is going to be free though.

[Ramikadyc]

In the time it takes for someone to hear this news, log in to these forums, and complain about the DLC not being free, you could have gone out and made enough money to pay for the DLC.



Just saying.

[kraidy1117]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

What happened whit promise that all who register Cerberus network card will get DLCs for free??

Apparently rEApers sold too less copies of ME 2 to stick to that promise...

They never said that, they said some DLC would be paid for. Listen and read interviews.

[stillnotking]

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

To complainers, you don't need to get it, it's not like a map pack.

Let me be clear.
I've paid for the game.
This content was in the game then ripped out.
I've therefore paid for this content and have a right to it.

And no I will not resort to piracy.

You paid for the game you got.  All this discussion of whether or not Kasumi should have been in the original game seems, to me, largely academic.  She wasn't in the original game, and the original game was still worth what I paid for it.  If you don't feel it was worth what you paid for it, then obviously that's your right and I suggest trying to get your money back.

I'm glad to hear you're not a scumbag who'll turn pirate over some half-assed moral justification, though.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

What happened whit promise that all who register Cerberus network card will get DLCs for free??

Apparently rEApers sold too less copies of ME 2 to stick to that promise...

No that was never the case, they said that they would do both.


EDIT:  Beaten to it

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 11 mars 2010 - 11:49 .

[JeanLuc761]

The Angry One wrote...
I've presented the evidence. If you choose to ignore it I have little to add.

Your evidence does not prove that this content was finished prior to the game's release; it just proves that they had planned for the future.  That's all I'm arguing.

Either way, I'm going to get flamed into oblivion in this thread so maybe I should stop being such an optimist <_<

[The Angry One]

kraidy1117 wrote...

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

It's clear EA would've demanded content to promote the Cerberus network.
Exactly how would the Cerberus network have been an incentive to anybody if there was no DLC to go with it on release?
Simple logic.

[jamskinner]

The Angry One wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

What TAO is saying is that they cut that content as a form of DRM, that if you pirate the game or buy it on a second hand market you will not have the full game. However they've gone the step further of now charging for content they have cut simply because they can, probably because Bioware atm is EA's cash cow it seems.

Exactly. I knew they'd pull this eventually. I just hoped they'd have the decency to wait to charge for DLC that's actually new and not using assets pulled from the game.
Never underestimate EA's depravity.

So would you rather they never release the half finished content we are getting now and just work on new stuff?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ecael wrote...

stillnotking wrote...

BW is the best developer in the industry.  They make fantastic games at very reasonable prices AND hand out a ton of DLC stuff for free.  Of course, you ungrateful asses can think of nothing but the horrific injustice of having to skip one trip to Starbucks to pay for the Kasumi pack.

How about this: if it isn't worth five bucks to you, then don't f***ing buy it.

Correction: BioWare makes fantastic games at very reasonable prices, BUT makes terrible post-release DLC. That is their biggest flaw, and is probably due to the amount of effort and money spent in releasing the original game.

DLC doesn't detract from the overall quality of BioWare's games, but they can be terrible by themselves.

It's a great thing GameRankings doesn't have separate rankings for BioWare DLC.

Yeah I agree with this statement :/

[The Angry One]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I've presented the evidence. If you choose to ignore it I have little to add.

Your evidence does not prove that this content was finished prior to the game's release; it just proves that they had planned for the future.  That's all I'm arguing.

Either way, I'm going to get flamed into oblivion in this thread so maybe I should stop being such an optimist <_<

You don't "plan for the future" by dumping half the content in then waiting to put in the rest later.
That could make things harder if you're genuinely making new content and you have this holdover stuff already there.

[kraidy1117]

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

It's clear EA would've demanded content to promote the Cerberus network.
Exactly how would the Cerberus network have been an incentive to anybody if there was no DLC to go with it on release?
Simple logic.

How do you that that stuff was going to rignly be in the game tho? You have no proof.

[stillnotking]

Ecael wrote...

stillnotking wrote...

BW is the best developer in the industry.  They make fantastic games at very reasonable prices AND hand out a ton of DLC stuff for free.  Of course, you ungrateful asses can think of nothing but the horrific injustice of having to skip one trip to Starbucks to pay for the Kasumi pack.

How about this: if it isn't worth five bucks to you, then don't f***ing buy it.

Correction: BioWare makes fantastic games at very reasonable prices, BUT makes terrible post-release DLC. That is their biggest flaw, and is probably due to the amount of effort and money spent in releasing the original game.

DLC doesn't detract from the overall quality of BioWare's games, but they can be terrible by themselves.

It's a great thing GameRankings doesn't have separate rankings for BioWare DLC.

I've mostly enjoyed their DLC.

Again, the solution here is simple.  If you like the games, then buy the games.  If you don't like the DLC then don't buy the DLC.  People are making this way more complicated than it actually is, and trying to paint BW as some kind of villain.  ME2 as released was worth $50.  Therefore, you have nothing to complain about.

[The Angry One]

jamskinner wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

What TAO is saying is that they cut that content as a form of DRM, that if you pirate the game or buy it on a second hand market you will not have the full game. However they've gone the step further of now charging for content they have cut simply because they can, probably because Bioware atm is EA's cash cow it seems.

Exactly. I knew they'd pull this eventually. I just hoped they'd have the decency to wait to charge for DLC that's actually new and not using assets pulled from the game.
Never underestimate EA's depravity.

So would you rather they never release the half finished content we are getting now and just work on new stuff?

I'd rather they give me the content I've already paid for, and charge me for genuinely new DLC.

[Sleepicub09]

guy if its a pack it most likely gonna be 1200 points or 5.99 so yeah you guys are ridiculous  so what we have to pay for it big deal they have to make money some how do't you guys want good resources for ME3
Free Content                                               Paid Content
Zaeed Messani                                              Kasumi pack
Fire Walker Pack
Flamethrower(Zaeed mission)
Cerberus armor
Sentry Interface
Umbra Visor
Recon hood
Noramndy crashsite

Modifié par Sleepicub09, 11 mars 2010 - 11:52 .

[Ramikadyc]

kraidy1117 wrote...

How do you that that stuff was going to rignly be in the game tho? You have no proof.

Kasumi? Haha, what is this PROOF you speak of?! They have audio files that someone else put into the game and recorded, that must mean, without a doubt, this DLC was cut from the game. Of course, logic would say that if something was cut from a game, then it would have actually been fully cut from the game, but no one needs proof to make the claims, so what use is logic, too?

Modifié par Ramikadyc, 11 mars 2010 - 11:57 .

[KillaKow]

kraidy1117 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Where is your proof expect for Hammerhead and Kasumie? Thats right you have no proof that the other stuff was already in the game. If you don't want to pay, then don't no one is forcing you, I would like it to be free but it's not going to happen and to start complaining like a baby is not going to help.

Yeah it's not at all suspicious that Zaeed/Normandy crash site were available at release or anything.

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

EA? EA? *Blinks in disbelief* You would rather have EA than any other company?

Something tells me you don't regognize patterns. EA is one of the most profit focused publishers in the buisness, shown by their tendency to release a game with half the content cut so that they can sell it back to you and sucker twice as much money from you. Why the hell woud you want a dev to be owned by EA?

[kraidy1117]

Ramikadyc wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

It's clear EA would've demanded content to promote the Cerberus network.
Exactly how would the Cerberus network have been an incentive to anybody if there was no DLC to go with it on release?
Simple logic.

How do you that that stuff was going to rignly be in the game tho? You have no proof.

Haha, what is this PROOF you speak of?! They have audio files that someone else put into the game and recorded, that must mean, without a doubt, this DLC was cut from the game. Of course, logic would say that if something was cut from a game, then it would have actually been fully cut from the game, but no one needs proof to make the claims, so what use is logic, too?

i am not talking about Kasumie, I am talking about Zaeed and the crash site. There is no proof that was gonig to be in the game. I already know she was going to be in the game, I have heard her files and seen the suiicde mission with her. That is not what I am talking about.

[Ecael]

kraidy1117 wrote...

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

EA may control the Council companies, but BioWare remains our best hope.

If they lose BioWare, the company might well follow.

Then see to it that we don't lose them.

It's clear that they didn't finish it in time that the game disc went gold - that's why they later uploaded it. The same goes for The Stone Prisoner DLC.

Again, the solution here is simple. If you like the games, then buy the games. If you don't like the DLC then don't buy the DLC. People are making this way more complicated than it actually is, and trying to paint BW as some kind of villain. ME2 as released was worth $50. Therefore, you have nothing to complain about.

The problem is, many fans are willing to pay to play the game instead of pirate it - BUT - you can get all the DLC ever released from every pre-order bonus and everything else - if you pirate the DLC itself.

EA and BioWare absolutely need to make the DLC worth paying for, or people can just pirate the DLC and still enjoy the full game.

Modifié par Ecael, 11 mars 2010 - 11:56 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

KillaKow wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Where is your proof expect for Hammerhead and Kasumie? Thats right you have no proof that the other stuff was already in the game. If you don't want to pay, then don't no one is forcing you, I would like it to be free but it's not going to happen and to start complaining like a baby is not going to help.

Yeah it's not at all suspicious that Zaeed/Normandy crash site were available at release or anything.

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

EA? EA? *Blinks in disbelief* You would rather have EA than any other company?

Something tells me you don't regognize patterns. EA is one of the most profit focused publishers in the buisness, shown by their tendency to release a game with half the content cut so that they can sell it back to you and sucker twice as much money from you. Why the hell woud you want a dev to be owned by EA?

If you haven't noticed there are not that many game publishers around.  Take 2 and Ubisoft are always threatened by being bought out.  Activision operates in a similar manner that EA did in the past.  THQ comes back and forth from being on the brink.  Codemasters and other smaller companies wouldn't have the budgets big enough for Bioware.  Are you suggesting Zenimax?  I'd prefer EA over Zenimax, howeve EA does seem to be on unstable ground.

[vometia]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Exactly. Some people here are stuck in their little worlds. They don't understand that they're being ripped off. Quite funny actually, but at the same time its sad.

Still, it's one thing not wanting to admit it to themselves, but it's quite another yelling "whiner!" at everyone who's rightfully unimpressed at this sort of thing.

[The Angry One]

Ramikadyc wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

It's clear EA would've demanded content to promote the Cerberus network.
Exactly how would the Cerberus network have been an incentive to anybody if there was no DLC to go with it on release?
Simple logic.

How do you that that stuff was going to rignly be in the game tho? You have no proof.

Haha, what is this PROOF you speak of?! They have audio files that someone else put into the game and recorded, that must mean, without a doubt, this DLC was cut from the game. Of course, logic would say that if something was cut from a game, then it would have actually been fully cut from the game, but no one needs proof to make the claims, so what use is logic, too?

Or they were, you know, not completely thorough in their efforts.
Do you think it's easy to rip out content from a game? Do you think it's some sort of binary condition, either the content is in or out?

[PARAGON87]

It's pretty funny how this thread is almost 100% complaint, but nearly the same thread in ME1 Storylines, it's almost 100% praise.

http://social.biowar...index/1676252/4

Who says two threads on the same topic has the same views??

Modifié par PARAGON87, 11 mars 2010 - 11:57 .