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[Onyx Jaguar]

The Angry One wrote...

I don't think BioWare are saints, but they did provide Bring Down the Sky to PC users free while M$ bilked out money for it from 360 users.

EA are notorious for interfering with their developers and driving them into the ground - look at Maxis.

Well Microsoft would get their hands onto anything regarding DLC, I was hoping the CN would be a clever way around that, but I was wrong it was just EA doing what they do.

[The Angry One]

Ramikadyc wrote...

Provide TWENTY free DLC items then charge for ONE and you no longer become a benign developer/publisher, you become a money-grubbing corporate jerk. That's some of society for ya'. Nothing to do but tolerate them, while we pay our measly five dollars and enjoy brand new stuff that has been added to our fully-complete-and-then-some game we've already purchased.

No matter how many times we explain how this DLC isn't "free", you just don't get it.
Or refuse to. Either way there's no use explaining it to you again. Please, continue to think that these were all free gifts on top of a complete game and shove money mindlessly into EA so they can keep conning all of us.

[KillaKow]

The Angry One wrote...

I don't think BioWare are saints, but they did provide Bring Down the Sky to PC users free while M$ bilked out money for it from 360 users.

EA are notorious for interfering with their developers and driving them into the ground - look at Maxis.

A good way to look at it would be this: Microsoft makes devs pay for new DLC that they want to be free. EA makes deves cut content out of their game so that they can sell it back to people who already bought the game.

[Ecael]

kraidy1117 wrote...

So you rather have M$ who would charge for everything, or Activision who is worse then EA, or would you rather have 2K own them and pull a Biosohck 2. Sorry EA might have done somethings that are not nice, but realy as of now they are the best company in the market.

You can't judge the quality of the game by their publisher. Each publisher has a company or two that produces high-quality games.

EA - BioWare, Valve
ZeniMax - Bethesda
Activision - Blizzard
THQ - Relic
Sega - Obsidian
2K Games - Firaxis

If you start seeing useless paid DLC or strict DRM, that can be the fault of the publisher and not the developer.

I'm confused.  How is making the DLC better going to reduce
piracy?  Better content gets pirated more, not less (and bought more,
obviously).  Also, what's it to you whether the DLC gets pirated?  Your
post makes no sense to me at all.

It'll reduce piracy of DLC, at the very least. If BioWare released a 2 GB massive DLC, most people would rather pay the $5 bucks than spend a day searching for a working torrent. It would be much easier to download off of BioWare's servers instead. However, if you release a 50 MB patch that adds a couple of textures and uses content that was already in the game, it's going to be easier to download off of RapidShare or MegaUpload.

[PARAGON87]

Just_mike wrote...

....How do you pay though? I dont do online payments..

Buy a 1600 or 4000 MS Points card from a GameStop, Target, Walmart, etc.  Load the code into your Xbox Live account, and you can spend it on whatever.

Or put in your credit card number (Not recommended if you value your money).

[Homebound]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

....How do you pay though? I dont do online payments..

Buy a 1600 or 4000 MS Points card from a GameStop, Target, Walmart, etc.  Load the code into your Xbox Live account, and you can spend it on whatever.

Or put in your credit card number (Not recommended if you value your money).

PC.

[PandemicFear]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

guy if its a pack it most likely gonna be 1200 points or 5.99 so yeah you guys are ridiculous  so what we have to pay for it big deal they have to make money some how do't you guys want good resources for ME3
Free Content                                               Paid Content
Zaeed Messani                                              Kasumi pack
Fire Walker Pack
Flamethrower(Zaeed mission)
Cerberus armor
Sentry Interface
Umbra Visor
Recon hood
Noramndy crashsite

Umm, 1200 MS points is $15. You mean 480 MS points, that's $6.
And I don't see the big deal. It's probably going to be $5 or less. It doesn't beat free, but it really won't kill you. <_<

Also, PC users, it would seem, usually get most DLC content free that Xbox users like me have to pay for. If this DLC is no different, then PC users have nothing to complain about other than having to wait a little longer to get it.

Modifié par PandemicFear, 12 mars 2010 - 12:14 .

[Sleepicub09]

Just_mike wrote...

ChampDude wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Paid? What? What?

Paid content for something that's half-already in the game?
Screw you EA.

You had to figure the price tags would start being handed out eventually <_<

*Sigh*, sometimes I feel like Mass Effect is just another Skinner-Box scheme.

....How do you pay though? I dont do online payments..

you can go to your nearest game store and get a voucher I don't recommend it though

[DiatribeEQ]

Ya'll do realize that the paid DLC helps fund the free DLC, right? Let's face it, so far we've gotten what? 4 free DLC (Yes, 3 were simply items, 1 was Zaeed & his mission/area), but that's the point: At some point they will have to charge for some of this stuff, it doesn't make itself. The key sticking point will be the price. 5 bucks is acceptable. Anything more than that & they've got to start coming up with more than 60-90 minutes worth of gameplay.

Modifié par DiatribeEQ, 12 mars 2010 - 12:19 .

[kraidy1117]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I don't think BioWare are saints, but they did provide Bring Down the Sky to PC users free while M$ bilked out money for it from 360 users.

EA are notorious for interfering with their developers and driving them into the ground - look at Maxis.

Well Microsoft would get their hands onto anything regarding DLC, I was hoping the CN would be a clever way around that, but I was wrong it was just EA doing what they do.

*sigh* Bioware and EA stated before ME2 cameo ut that some stuff would be paid for! Do you guys even listen or do you just like to complain just for the hell of it.

[PARAGON87]

Just_mike wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

....How do you pay though? I dont do online payments..

Buy a 1600 or 4000 MS Points card from a GameStop, Target, Walmart, etc.  Load the code into your Xbox Live account, and you can spend it on whatever.

Or put in your credit card number (Not recommended if you value your money).

PC.

Ah, probably from here: social.bioware.com/page/me2-dlc

[TrueHD]

The real question is...does she actually look Asian?

[Gingeraids]

This is what I'm gathering from the people that are angry about having to pay.



"Well, everything else was free. Why isn't this? It must be EA's fault! They're the worst company in the world! Charging me $5 for a few extra hours into an already immense game! I deserve better! I deserve everything for free because I'm a fan of Bioware!"



What I'm seeing is this from Bioware. "Oh hey, EA likes money. We like money too, since it helps pay the bills and keep food on the table. Hey since people are really digging our DLC, and we're spending manpower and other resources making this DLC, how about we charge just a tiny bit. I'm sure the fans won't mind since we've been given them free stuff for quite a while now. A $5 charge seems to be A-Okay with EA, and since they've paid millions of dollars to help our project see the light of day, we should probably let them decide on the actual price."

[Kyria Nyriese]

The Angry One wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I've presented the evidence. If you choose to ignore it I have little to add.

Your evidence does not prove that this content was finished prior to the game's release; it just proves that they had planned for the future.  That's all I'm arguing.

Either way, I'm going to get flamed into oblivion in this thread so maybe I should stop being such an optimist <_<

You don't "plan for the future" by dumping half the content in then waiting to put in the rest later.
That could make things harder if you're genuinely making new content and you have this holdover stuff already there.

Actually in this day and age it is quite common for there to be stuff either pushed down through a patch or in a game indicating eventual expansion or DLC.  It's much easier to have the stuff they can get done in the game and on the disk than to force a download that much bigger because of the DLC.  However, since I work for neither Bioware nor EA, I don't know if that's what they did or not, however, this isn't new, the fact that at least some of the Kasumi content was on the disk, is not a sure fire in my mind that they cut it out to sell it as DLC.

That is my 2 creds worth anyway.

[Sleepicub09]

PandemicFear wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

guy if its a pack it most likely gonna be 1200 points or 5.99 so yeah you guys are ridiculous  so what we have to pay for it big deal they have to make money some how do't you guys want good resources for ME3
Free Content                                               Paid Content
Zaeed Messani                                              Kasumi pack
Fire Walker Pack
Flamethrower(Zaeed mission)
Cerberus armor
Sentry Interface
Umbra Visor
Recon hood
Noramndy crashsite

Umm, 1200 MS points is $15. You mean 480 MS points, that's $6.
And I don't see the big deal. It's probably going to be $5 or less. It doesn't beat free, but it really won't kill you. <_<

no I mean 1200 for 360 $5.99 for pc if its like awakening it will be about $30.00 god I just realized us 360 players be getting ripped off

[RyuGuitarFreak]

kraidy1117 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

What? Flashbang? A Zaeed type of power? I was hoping she would be a sentinel kind of character like Miranda. Hoping she would get damping or something like that for loyalty power.

And I was hoping the paid content would come AFTER Kasumi. Having to pay to have the full squad is sad.

Well, that's EA for you. All the love and free content was too good to be true. Though that's the only DLC I'm gonna buy.

They never said everything was going to be free.

I know, but I was assuming it would be like Zaeed was and everything released until now. It would make sense as Zaeed was free and the code present in the game made everyone already have knowledge of her.

[The Angry One]

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?

And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.

The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

[KillaKow]

kraidy1117 wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

KillaKow wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Where is your proof expect for Hammerhead and Kasumie? Thats right you have no proof that the other stuff was already in the game. If you don't want to pay, then don't no one is forcing you, I would like it to be free but it's not going to happen and to start complaining like a baby is not going to help.

Yeah it's not at all suspicious that Zaeed/Normandy crash site were available at release or anything.

How do you know that they where working on it before release date? You have no proof and yet you jump on the hating EA banwagon. I rather have EA own Bioware then anyother company >_>

EA? EA? *Blinks in disbelief* You would rather have EA than any other company?

Something tells me you don't regognize patterns. EA is one of the most profit focused publishers in the buisness, shown by their tendency to release a game with half the content cut so that they can sell it back to you and sucker twice as much money from you. Why the hell woud you want a dev to be owned by EA?

So you rather have M$ who would charge for everything, or Activision who is worse then EA, or would you rather have 2K own them and pull a Biosohck 2. Sorry EA might have done somethings that are not nice, but realy as of now they are the best company in the market.

I would rather have Microsoft, because while yes, they do charge you for everything, at least they don't charge you for things that they cut from the game so that they could sell them back to you for more profit, which is pretty much EAs SOP.

Wow, you cleary are young if you want M$ to have Bioware. M$ is more greedy then EA ever will be.

Oh, I never said they weren't greedy. Pretty much all publishers are nowadays. But the thing is, EA is the one that stands out from them all in it's complete disrespect for the developers it owns, as well as it's customers. Microsoft might be greedy, but at least they realize that the way to maintain a consumer base is to keep them happy.

Are we talking about the same EA. The EA now is alot better then it used to be. I love how people use Eas history. They are alot diffrent now. Ubisoft and Activiusion are more greddy then EA for crying outloud.

Different how?
They're doing the exact same thing. Look at The Sims 3. Hell, look at this very game.

And as for Actiblizzard and Ubisoft... do you have any actuall proof of how they are more greedy? Last I checked Actiblizzard was making such rediculous ammonuts of money off of MW2 and WOW that they don't even have to make more than one game a year anymore. And what's with Ubisoft being greedy? They're the least greedy of the bunch; their DLCs are usually the most fair priced.

[Onyx Jaguar]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I don't think BioWare are saints, but they did provide Bring Down the Sky to PC users free while M$ bilked out money for it from 360 users.

EA are notorious for interfering with their developers and driving them into the ground - look at Maxis.

Well Microsoft would get their hands onto anything regarding DLC, I was hoping the CN would be a clever way around that, but I was wrong it was just EA doing what they do.

*sigh* Bioware and EA stated before ME2 cameo ut that some stuff would be paid for! Do you guys even listen or do you just like to complain just for the hell of it.

Yes I know that they said there would be paid for DLC and free DLC.  I was hoping that they'd release smaller expansions similar to what Valve does for free and bigger ones for charge.

What I was hoping for was that the CN would be an example for other developers but I do not see that happening if that makes any sense.

[Sleepicub09]

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

that's completely different

[The Angry One]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

that's completely different

And yet you don't say how.

[Killer Instinct]

ConVito wrote...

Dammit Bioware! I thought you were all about the fans! Now you spring this on us, a character that was already in game but you cut before release so you could sell it later and make more cash. If BW really cares about its fans, Kasumi will be on Cerberus network and be free just like the Hammerhead.

Considering how much free DLC we've already been granted(with the promise of more to come) at this point this type of reasoning is a cross between ungrateful and selfish.

[PARAGON87]

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

Your analogy isn't correct.  ME2 is a complete game, i.e. it has the windows and seats.

ME2 with the DLC would be like having heated leather seats, and in-dash navigation with DVD/Blu-ray playback, complete with Lamborghini doors.

[skuld1]

The Angry One wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

To complainers, you don't need to get it, it's not like a map pack.

Let me be clear.
I've paid for the game.
This content was in the game then ripped out.
I've therefore paid for this content and have a right to it.

And no I will not resort to piracy.

Please provide tangible evidence that this is the case... something like memos or internal e-mails passed around by EA or Bioware staff where this is stated.

A placeholder art and some sound clips only tell me that they started work on this DLC before the game went gold, NOT that the work was fully complete and ready to ship before the discs went to press.  

Is it *possible* that Kasumi was completely finished and removed from the final product?  Sure it is, but no one has shown me ACTUAL EVIDENCE that this is the case...

PS: don't bother with a "but I *KNOW* its true" reply if you can't back it up with substance, it just makes you look weaker.

[ChampDude]

The Angry One wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Would you guys who would happily pay for this be equally satisfied in buying a car with no windshield, rear doors or passenger seats?
And hey, maybe the windshield and rear doors get sent to you a week later, for "free". You must be ecstatic now.
The passenger seats? You'll have to pay for those. $500 please. What? It's only a fraction of what you paid for the car! Quit complaining.

that's completely different

And yet you don't say how.

Well, with the car analogy, those things are kind of detrimental to the quality of the car. No windshield, no seats or rear doors: no car. Kasumi isn't really necessary to have a quality experience with Mass Effect 2 (not condoning a charge for Kasumi, just saying)