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[Collider]

Here's a very easy to solution to having a romance for gay men yet not having the game become uncomfortable for certain heterosexual males.



a) Make romance text green or another color aside from red or blue. A heterosexual guy never has to select the green text while speaking to a male squad mate. Make sure the male squad mate does not make the first move.

Make the romance dialogue obvious. So there are no misunderstandings. Make sure the male squad mate does not make the first move.



"I want to be more than friends."

"I'm interested in you romantically."



Of course Shepard does not have to say it so bluntly, but obvious romance dialogue like this could lead to the romance with the male squad mate.

[thegreateski]

Kahlmulandr wrote...

Bleh ten pages of posts....

Don't paint this as a Troll thread.

This is a serious discussion.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Chakku Sama wrote...
No matter what the case is, this option for same sex romance is up to Bioware, I mean sure it was in ME1, femshep and Liara, And I'm sure some guys liked that,

While regrettable, I do want to point out that Liara isn't actually female.

[diskoh]

ReconTeam wrote...

diskoh wrote...
Yet homophobes continue to shrug it off when you point out the data that they tend to be gay in greater numbers than non-homophobes.

Denial can be a powerful thing.

Considering homophobia is an invented and nonexistent condition, this makes no sense whatsoever.

Maybe it is real phobia in some cases, but not the vast majority of people who get labelled as homophobes by indoctrinated college students merely for thinking homosexuality is wrong.

homophobia:

• Fear of or contempt for
  lesbians and gay men.

Look it up before you look stupid next time.

[Ryzaki]

thegreateski wrote...

Kahlmulandr wrote...

Bleh ten pages of posts....

Don't paint this as a Troll thread.

This is a serious discussion.

...serious discussion? Where?

All I'm seeing is kissing pics!

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ryzaki wrote...
Uh its one thing to hide your gay. Its another to pass anti-gay laws and pretty much be all "gays shouldn't have x rights!" and be on the DL. I'm talking about number 2.

Another thing people fall for. This nonsense about gays being denied rights simply isn't true and is just an emotional appeal.

Slap rights in front of anything and you can get sympathy. I'm sick and tired of cannibals beind denied their rights, aren't you?

[thegreateski]

Ryzaki wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Kahlmulandr wrote...

Bleh ten pages of posts....

Don't paint this as a Troll thread.

This is a serious discussion.

...serious discussion? Where?

All I'm seeing is kissing pics!

Over there.

In the corner.

behind the gay couple kissing each other.

[diskoh]

Collider wrote...

Here's a very easy to solution to having a romance for gay men yet not having the game become uncomfortable for certain heterosexual males.

a) Make romance text green or another color aside from red or blue. A heterosexual guy never has to select the green text while speaking to a male squad mate. Make sure the male squad mate does not make the first move.
Make the romance dialogue obvious. So there are no misunderstandings. Make sure the male squad mate does not make the first move.

"I want to be more than friends."
"I'm interested in you romantically."

Of course Shepard does not have to say it so bluntly, but obvious romance dialogue like this could lead to the romance with the male squad mate.

They can't handle having the choice because they're afraid they will be tempted. You have to understand the struggle these guys go through every day to suppress their gayness.

[Bob5312]

Ryzaki wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Kahlmulandr wrote...

Bleh ten pages of posts....

Don't paint this as a Troll thread.

This is a serious discussion.

...serious discussion? Where?

All I'm seeing is kissing pics!

I don't know how you've kept your cool all this time, Ryzaki.  But it's the best way of making these bigots look bad.  I wish I could give you a trophy that says "You won the internet forever."

[Chakku Sama]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Chakku Sama wrote...
No matter what the case is, this option for same sex romance is up to Bioware, I mean sure it was in ME1, femshep and Liara, And I'm sure some guys liked that,

While regrettable, I do want to point out that Liara isn't actually female.

True enough, asari are wierd... But still It's up to Bioware about this whole thing, tho I'm sure the vote of there community has somethign to do with it.

[Collider]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Chakku Sama wrote...
No matter what the case is, this option for same sex romance is up to Bioware, I mean sure it was in ME1, femshep and Liara, And I'm sure some guys liked that,

While regrettable, I do want to point out that Liara isn't actually female.

The codex says that the Asari are an all-female race. Unless Liara herself is an anomaly, she is female by virtue of that. Gender does not have the same meaning for the Asari that it does for humans and other sexually dimorphic races, but that doesn't mean that the relationship with Liara if you're female Shepard isn't lesbian. It definitely is. Liara has a female shape and voice. If femshep is attracted to her, she's lesbian/bisexual/or for some reason attracted to Liara individually.

[Ryzaki]

ReconTeam wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Uh its one thing to hide your gay. Its another to pass anti-gay laws and pretty much be all "gays shouldn't have x rights!" and be on the DL. I'm talking about number 2.

Another thing people fall for. This nonsense about gays being denied rights simply isn't true and is just an emotional appeal.

Slap rights in front of anything and you can get sympathy. I'm sick and tired of cannibals beind denied their rights, aren't you?

Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Lovely beautiful double standards.

Bob5312 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Kahlmulandr wrote...

Bleh ten pages of posts....

Don't paint this as a Troll thread.

This is a serious discussion.

...serious discussion? Where? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png

All I'm seeing is kissing pics!

I
don't know how you've kept your cool all this time, Ryzaki.  But it's
the best way of making these bigots look bad.  I wish I could give you
a trophy that says "You won the internet forever."

Just saying that is enough. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]

I love you too. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

In the typical yaoi girl squeeling over the newest shounen ai manga...AH! *gasps* I think It was updated today! *runs to check*

No it wasn't....why?!?

I've been waiting 2 months for the next chapter.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 mars 2010 - 06:19 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

diskoh wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

diskoh wrote...
Yet homophobes continue to shrug it off when you point out the data that they tend to be gay in greater numbers than non-homophobes.

Denial can be a powerful thing.

Considering homophobia is an invented and nonexistent condition, this makes no sense whatsoever.

Maybe it is real phobia in some cases, but not the vast majority of people who get labelled as homophobes by indoctrinated college students merely for thinking homosexuality is wrong.

homophobia:

• Fear of or contempt for
  lesbians and gay men.

Look it up before you look stupid next time.

That's a newspeak definition and you know it. In most languages and dictionaries, homophobia conforms to the same linguistics that define all other -phobia:s.

[tripehound1]

@"troll wins"
Sarcatically: the hard-core anti-gay types seem to have mostly gone, and it seems to be turning into something approaching a discussion, so really the troll has lost  

Modifié par tripehound1, 12 mars 2010 - 06:20 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

diskoh wrote...
homophobia:

• Fear of or contempt for
  lesbians and gay men.

Look it up before you look stupid next time.

[*]A phobia is an actual medical condition you fool. Not buying into the whole "gay rights" nonsense isn't a medical condition.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Ryzaki



JustAnotherVoice wrote...



Varenus Luckmann wrote...



LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

You can't stop someone from wanting to hate.As much as I don't like the way a gay person is I don't hate them.



I agree. I may find them despicable, reprehensible, revolting, diseased, genetically deficient, inferior, disgusting, unnatural, immoral or deviant - but I don't hate them.







Because "hate" is too strong a term, right? /images/forum/emoticons/angry.png







Yet someone say that about say a black person and they do hate black people.



Ah...good old fashioned double standards. /images/forum/emoticons/angry.png



Heck replace that with woman/insert race/insert person here



and all of a sudden its hatred! /images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png Who'd da thunk?



Well , as someone who is black , what JustAnotherVoice another wrote pretty much is hate But I think I'm a bit more tolerable than that. But I mean in the end I can't stop him from thinking that way it's his opinion.

[thegreateski]

Chakku Sama wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Chakku Sama wrote...
No matter what the case is, this option for same sex romance is up to Bioware, I mean sure it was in ME1, femshep and Liara, And I'm sure some guys liked that,

While regrettable, I do want to point out that Liara isn't actually female.

True enough, asari are wierd... But still It's up to Bioware about this whole thing, tho I'm sure the vote of there community has somethign to do with it.

Liara: You know Shepard, Asari aren't actually women.
Shepard: Really?
Liara: Yep.
Shepard: Do you have boobs?
Liara: Wha-
Shepard Do you have a vagina?
Liara: Shepard tha-
Shepard: You are female. Get over it.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Collider wrote...
The codex says that the Asari are an all-female race. Unless Liara herself is an anomaly, she is female by virtue of that. Gender does not have the same meaning for the Asari that it does for humans and other sexually dimorphic races, but that doesn't mean that the relationship with Liara if you're female Shepard isn't lesbian. It definitely is. Liara has a female shape and voice. If femshep is attracted to her, she's lesbian/bisexual/or for some reason attracted to Liara individually.

Despite what the codex implies, it is stated numerous times that the Asari aren't actually male or female, but merely resembles females, allowing people to make the mistake you've done.

[colossus50000]

diskoh wrote...

Collider wrote...

Here's a very easy to solution to having a romance for gay men yet not having the game become uncomfortable for certain heterosexual males.

a) Make romance text green or another color aside from red or blue. A heterosexual guy never has to select the green text while speaking to a male squad mate. Make sure the male squad mate does not make the first move.
Make the romance dialogue obvious. So there are no misunderstandings. Make sure the male squad mate does not make the first move.

"I want to be more than friends."
"I'm interested in you romantically."

Of course Shepard does not have to say it so bluntly, but obvious romance dialogue like this could lead to the romance with the male squad mate.

They can't handle having the choice because they're afraid they will be tempted. You have to understand the struggle these guys go through every day to suppress their gayness.

wrong. i dont want to even have to deal with it, i dont even want the thought to even occur to me that my squad mate has a thing for me, its as simple as that, if you want a romance go play with mods, other wise stop complaining

[Varenus Luckmann]

ReconTeam wrote...

diskoh wrote...
homophobia:

• Fear of or contempt for
  lesbians and gay men.

Look it up before you look stupid next time.

[*]A phobia is an actual medical condition you fool. Not buying into the whole "gay rights" nonsense isn't a medical condition.

This.

[tripehound1]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Chakku Sama wrote...
No matter what the case is, this option for same sex romance is up to Bioware, I mean sure it was in ME1, femshep and Liara, And I'm sure some guys liked that,

While regrettable, I do want to point out that Liara isn't actually female.

if asari aren't female, but ARE mammals (we can allsee that you know what I'm sayin! heh heh bewbage)
 then where do the babies come out?

[thegreateski]

tripehound1 wrote...

@"troll wins"
the hard-core anti-gay types seem to have mostly gone, and it seems to be turning into something approaching a discussion, so really the troll has lost

There was never any hard-core anti-gay types in this thread in the first place . . . .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Lovely beautiful double standards.

Oh but the victim can "consent" easily enough. They're dead or will be dead soon.

[diskoh]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

diskoh wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

diskoh wrote...
Yet homophobes continue to shrug it off when you point out the data that they tend to be gay in greater numbers than non-homophobes.

Denial can be a powerful thing.

Considering homophobia is an invented and nonexistent condition, this makes no sense whatsoever.

Maybe it is real phobia in some cases, but not the vast majority of people who get labelled as homophobes by indoctrinated college students merely for thinking homosexuality is wrong.

homophobia:

• Fear of or contempt for
  lesbians and gay men.

Look it up before you look stupid next time.

That's a newspeak definition and you know it. In most languages and dictionaries, homophobia conforms to the same linguistics that define all other -phobia:s.

It's from the dictionary, babe. Merriam-Webster, Cambrige, dictionary.com all give the same definition.
[*]I've never seen someone fail in one thread as much as you.

[JustAnotherVoice]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

JustAnotherVoice wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
You can't stop someone from wanting to hate.As much as I don't like the way a gay person is I don't hate them.

I agree. I may find them despicable, reprehensible, revolting, diseased, genetically deficient, inferior, disgusting, unnatural, immoral or deviant - but I don't hate them.

Because "hate" is too strong a term, right? <_<

"Hate" implies murderous rage. I'm thinking more of a "solemn disdain".

Murderous rage, you say?

Hate
–verb (used with
object)1.to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme
aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2.to be unwilling; dislike: I
hate to do it. –verb (used without object)3.to feel intense dislike,
or extreme aversion or hostility. –noun4.intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
5.the object of extreme aversion or hostility.

"diseased" and "inferior" sound pretty hostile to me. Maybe not in a violent way, but hostile none the less.