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[thegreateski]

tripehound1 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Chakku Sama wrote...
No matter what the case is, this option for same sex romance is up to Bioware, I mean sure it was in ME1, femshep and Liara, And I'm sure some guys liked that,

While regrettable, I do want to point out that Liara isn't actually female.

if asari aren't female, but ARE mammals (we can allsee that you know what I'm sayin! heh heh bewbage)
 then where do the babies come out?

To quote myself.

Liara: You know Shepard, Asari aren't actually women.
Shepard: Really?
Liara: Yep.
Shepard: Do you have boobs?
Liara: Wha-
Shepard Do you have a vagina?
Liara: Shepard tha-
Shepard: You are female. Get over it.

[Ryzaki]

ReconTeam wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Lovely beautiful double standards.

Oh but the victim can "consent" easily enough. They're dead or will be dead soon.

...if someone actually signs a contract stating that someone can eat their corpse? Sure no problem. Unlike some people I don't want to deny any adults right to do something they wish to do provided it causes no harm to another party.

But someone simply being dead doesn't nullify consent. (Otherwise there wouldn't be a charge for having sex with corpses).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 mars 2010 - 06:22 .

[SaranBlade]

Support.

[diskoh]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Collider wrote...
The codex says that the Asari are an all-female race. Unless Liara herself is an anomaly, she is female by virtue of that. Gender does not have the same meaning for the Asari that it does for humans and other sexually dimorphic races, but that doesn't mean that the relationship with Liara if you're female Shepard isn't lesbian. It definitely is. Liara has a female shape and voice. If femshep is attracted to her, she's lesbian/bisexual/or for some reason attracted to Liara individually.

Despite what the codex implies, it is stated numerous times that the Asari aren't actually male or female, but merely resembles females, allowing people to make the mistake you've done.

The codex doesn't imply. It flat out says that asari are female.

After your posts in this thread I'm starting to think you haven't even played Mass Effect.

[Collider]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Collider wrote...
The codex says that the Asari are an all-female race. Unless Liara herself is an anomaly, she is female by virtue of that. Gender does not have the same meaning for the Asari that it does for humans and other sexually dimorphic races, but that doesn't mean that the relationship with Liara if you're female Shepard isn't lesbian. It definitely is. Liara has a female shape and voice. If femshep is attracted to her, she's lesbian/bisexual/or for some reason attracted to Liara individually.

Despite what the codex implies, it is stated numerous times that the Asari aren't actually male or female, but merely resembles females, allowing people to make the mistake you've done.

Definition for female:
1. Someone of feminine sex or gender.
Don't tell me Liara isn't feminine. It's a lesbian relationship. Sexuality can have more to do with gender over biological sex.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Does a corpse have ownership rights? Or were you referring to a corpse belonging to someone else?

If I am the first to stake a claim, is it alright if I go ahead and eat it?

[Massadonious1]

ReconTeam wrote...
I'm sick and tired of cannibals beind denied their rights, aren't you?

If canibals had a strong enough representation to be considered one of the "major" minority groups, I'd probably fight for their rights as well.

[Tavanaka]

This thread is an embarrassment to both parties.

[Varenus Luckmann]

diskoh wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Collider wrote...
The codex says that the Asari are an all-female race. Unless Liara herself is an anomaly, she is female by virtue of that. Gender does not have the same meaning for the Asari that it does for humans and other sexually dimorphic races, but that doesn't mean that the relationship with Liara if you're female Shepard isn't lesbian. It definitely is. Liara has a female shape and voice. If femshep is attracted to her, she's lesbian/bisexual/or for some reason attracted to Liara individually.

Despite what the codex implies, it is stated numerous times that the Asari aren't actually male or female, but merely resembles females, allowing people to make the mistake you've done.

The codex doesn't imply. It flat out says that asari are female.
After your posts in this thread I'm starting to think you haven't even played Mass Effect.

After yours, I'm starting to think that all you did was read the codex.

I don't think you have any interest in Mass Effect. You're just using it as a way to push an agenda.

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Lovely beautiful double standards.

Oh but the victim can "consent" easily enough. They're dead or will be dead soon.

...if someone actually signs a contract stating that someone can eat their corpse? Sure no problem. Unlike some people I don't want to deny any adults right to do something they wish to do provided it causes no harm to another party.

But someone simply being dead doesn't nullify consent. (Otherwise there wouldn't be a charge for having sex with corpses).

There are certain limits. There are things you can do that may not immediately hurt someone, but are still damaging to something else.

[JustAnotherVoice]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ryzaki

JustAnotherVoice wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
You can't stop someone from wanting to hate.As much as I don't like the way a gay person is I don't hate them.

I agree. I may find them despicable, reprehensible, revolting, diseased, genetically deficient, inferior, disgusting, unnatural, immoral or deviant - but I don't hate them.



Because "hate" is too strong a term, right? /images/forum/emoticons/angry.png



Yet someone say that about say a black person and they do hate black people.

Ah...good old fashioned double standards. /images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

Heck replace that with woman/insert race/insert person here

and all of a sudden its hatred! /images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png Who'd da thunk?

Well , as someone who is black , what JustAnotherVoice another wrote pretty much is hate But I think I'm a bit more tolerable than that. But I mean in the end I can't stop him from thinking that way it's his opinion.

Yeah, my man, you missed something. I wasn't agreeing with him.
Didn't get that I was pointing out irony?

Modifié par JustAnotherVoice, 12 mars 2010 - 06:37 .

[thegreateski]

Why are some of you people so HELLBENT on making this into a "down with the bigots" discussion?

[diskoh]

ReconTeam wrote...

diskoh wrote...
homophobia:

• Fear of or contempt for
  lesbians and gay men.

Look it up before you look stupid next time.

[*]A phobia is an actual medical condition you fool. Not buying into the whole "gay rights" nonsense isn't a medical condition.

[*]Take it up with Merriam-Webster and the Cambrige Dictionary, because I'm just telling you the actual definition of the word.

[Collider]

diskoh wrote...

Collider wrote...

Here's a very easy to solution to having a romance for gay men yet not having the game become uncomfortable for certain heterosexual males.

a) Make romance text green or another color aside from red or blue. A heterosexual guy never has to select the green text while speaking to a male squad mate. Make sure the male squad mate does not make the first move.
Make the romance dialogue obvious. So there are no misunderstandings. Make sure the male squad mate does not make the first move.

"I want to be more than friends."
"I'm interested in you romantically."

Of course Shepard does not have to say it so bluntly, but obvious romance dialogue like this could lead to the romance with the male squad mate.

They can't handle having the choice because they're afraid they will be tempted. You have to understand the struggle these guys go through every day to suppress their gayness.

I wish this wasn't an ounce true, but it is in certain aspects. I think most people would be happy with what I've presented however. I mean, straight guys have tolerated same sex relationships in Fable and Sims then without any fuss that I know of.

[Ryzaki]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Does a corpse have ownership rights? Or were you referring to a corpse belonging to someone else?

If I am the first to stake a claim, is it alright if I go ahead and eat it?

Actually no you don't have a right to eat someone's corpse. Not unless they gave you permission before they died. Yeah I'm funny to believe that someone's body should be respected like that. Now you want to cut your own arm off and eat it? Go ahead. Knock yourself out. Your boyfriend wants to cut of his arm and feed it to you? Go ahead knock yourself out. But no I don't believe you have any ownership over someone else's body dead or no.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Collider wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Collider wrote...
The codex says that the Asari are an all-female race. Unless Liara herself is an anomaly, she is female by virtue of that. Gender does not have the same meaning for the Asari that it does for humans and other sexually dimorphic races, but that doesn't mean that the relationship with Liara if you're female Shepard isn't lesbian. It definitely is. Liara has a female shape and voice. If femshep is attracted to her, she's lesbian/bisexual/or for some reason attracted to Liara individually.

Despite what the codex implies, it is stated numerous times that the Asari aren't actually male or female, but merely resembles females, allowing people to make the mistake you've done.

Definition for female:
1. Someone of feminine sex or gender.
Don't tell me Liara isn't feminine. It's a lesbian relationship. Sexuality can have more to do with gender over biological sex.

Since this appears so hard for some of you to understand:
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari

I suggest you either read that, or actually play the game and talk to people.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Lovely beautiful double standards.

Oh but the victim can "consent" easily enough. They're dead or will be dead soon.

...if someone actually signs a contract stating that someone can eat their corpse? Sure no problem. Unlike some people I don't want to deny any adults right to do something they wish to do provided it causes no harm to another party.

But someone simply being dead doesn't nullify consent. (Otherwise there wouldn't be a charge for having sex with corpses).

There are certain limits. There are things you can do that may not immediately hurt someone, but are still damaging to something else.

...uh...that's what I meant.

About the corpse thing: you eat someone's corpse without their permission what are they going to do about a funeral? 

[sonofalich]

so being pro-hetero is homophobic now? support

[thegreateski]

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Lovely beautiful double standards.

Oh but the victim can "consent" easily enough. They're dead or will be dead soon.

...if someone actually signs a contract stating that someone can eat their corpse? Sure no problem. Unlike some people I don't want to deny any adults right to do something they wish to do provided it causes no harm to another party.

But someone simply being dead doesn't nullify consent. (Otherwise there wouldn't be a charge for having sex with corpses).

There are certain limits. There are things you can do that may not immediately hurt someone, but are still damaging to something else.

...uh...that's what I meant.

About the corpse thing: you eat someone's corpse without their permission what are they going to do about a funeral? 

They've had empty casket funerals before.


By the way, how did this turn into a discussion on eating dead bodies?

[Collider]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Collider wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Collider wrote...
The codex says that the Asari are an all-female race. Unless Liara herself is an anomaly, she is female by virtue of that. Gender does not have the same meaning for the Asari that it does for humans and other sexually dimorphic races, but that doesn't mean that the relationship with Liara if you're female Shepard isn't lesbian. It definitely is. Liara has a female shape and voice. If femshep is attracted to her, she's lesbian/bisexual/or for some reason attracted to Liara individually.

Despite what the codex implies, it is stated numerous times that the Asari aren't actually male or female, but merely resembles females, allowing people to make the mistake you've done.

Definition for female:
1. Someone of feminine sex or gender.
Don't tell me Liara isn't feminine. It's a lesbian relationship. Sexuality can have more to do with gender over biological sex.

Since this appears so hard for some of you to understand:
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari

I suggest you either read that, or actually play the game and talk to people.

That wiki entry perfectly fits with the definition I posted to you. The wiki entry that the Asari are a mono-gendered race with feminine appearances. The definition for female is as follows:

1. Someone of feminine sex or gender.

Liara is female, but not in the sense of human beings. She is also feminine which makes female shepard a lesbian or bisexual if she romances Liara.

[Varenus Luckmann]

thegreateski wrote...
Why are some of you people so HELLBENT on making this into a "down with the bigots" discussion?

Because it's the only "argument" they have. It's politically correct to wail at "teh evul bigots". It's similar to how Godwin's Law works. When people run out of arguments, their only way out is to denounce the opposing position as "evil" by relating it to something people are pre-programmed socially at that time and place to percieve as evil - such as "bigot" or "****".

[Ryzaki]

I'm going going to quote myself for the whole: Asari aren't women! Crowd.

A typical asari individual has a blue to purple complexion; the gas giant Sharblu
was named after a famous asari soprano with a distinctive skin tone
that resembled the planet's atmosphere. Some asari, such as their
representative on the Council, have facial markings. In concept art, Matriarch Benezia's are described as tattoos; however, they appear to be genetic as they appear on one asari's clones, and may denote the 'father' species (as Liara T'Soni,
the daughter of two asari, has none). In the place of head hair, asari
possess wavy folds of sculpted skin; aside from this and their skin
tone, aesthetically the asari are the closest alien species to humans.
There is some conflicting information regarding the gender of the
asari. Though they resemble females, at least to humans, asari are
non-gender specific, with no concept of gender differences. Liara says
her species is "mono-gendered—male and female have no real meaning for
us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman". However,
in the Codex it is stated that the asari are an all-female race. The Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183
says that "while asari have only one gender, they are not asexual like
single-celled life—all asari are sexually female", and according to
Liara they also have maternal instincts. They are innately different
from humans for asari can crossbreed with other species and inherit
certain traits.

Not having a concept of something doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you.

Also: LOL every single Asari is referred to as she or some other female pronoun. Care to explain that? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 mars 2010 - 06:38 .

[Darth_Trethon]

thegreateski wrote...

Why are some of you people so HELLBENT on making this into a "down with the bigots" discussion?

Nobody is being a biggot. They are simply normal people.

[diskoh]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
Since this appears so hard for some of you to understand:
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari

I suggest you either read that, or actually play the game and talk to people.

HAHAHAHA. So we should disregard the actual game that says asari are female, in favor of a wiki?

Liara is a female and my female Shepard romanced her. If that bothers you, I recommend Halo.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Insanity Insanity Insanity this thread is.