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[Bob5312]

Ryzaki wins the internet again.

[Inquisitor Recon]

diskoh wrote...
Take it up with Merriam-Webster and the Cambrige Dictionary, because I'm just telling you the actual definition of the word.
[*]

[*]Since you seem so content sorting through dictionaries, please educate yourself on the differences between a phobia and a fear. And the difference between fear and anger or disgust. By your logic, if a person dislikes anything they have the phobia related to that particular thing or situation.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Ryzaki wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Does a corpse have ownership rights? Or were you referring to a corpse belonging to someone else?

If I am the first to stake a claim, is it alright if I go ahead and eat it?

Actually no you don't have a right to eat someone's corpse. Not unless they gave you permission before they died. Yeah I'm funny to believe that someone's body should be respected like that. Now you want to cut your own arm off and eat it? Go ahead. Knock yourself out. Your boyfriend wants to cut of his arm and feed it to you? Go ahead knock yourself out. But no I don't believe you have any ownership over someone else's body dead or no.

Hypocrisy, much? You fully support a dead man's right to their own dead corpse, despite them not having any actual claim to it whatsoever, yet have no understanding for a man's right to his immediate surroundings.

I should have a right to eat corpses no-one is using anyway. It's a lifestyle choice. Hell, it may even be in my genes, and I'm not hurting anyone. The corpse sure isn't complaining.

[Bob5312]

ReconTeam wrote...

diskoh wrote...
Take it up with Merriam-Webster and the Cambrige Dictionary, because I'm just telling you the actual definition of the word.

Since you seem so content sorting through dictionaries, please educate yourself on the differences between a phobia and a fear. And the difference between fear and anger or disgust. By your logic, if a person dislikes anything they have the phobia related to that particular thing or situation.

I'd have given up at the point he started arguing that the meaning of words depends on his whim more than the dictionary's definition.

[Frieza1987]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

thegreateski wrote...
Why are some of you people so HELLBENT on making this into a "down with the bigots" discussion?

Because it's the only "argument" they have. It's politically correct to wail at "teh evul bigots". It's similar to how Godwin's Law works. When people run out of arguments, their only way out is to denounce the opposing position as "evil" by relating it to something people are pre-programmed socially at that time and place to percieve as evil - such as "bigot" or "****".

Indeed.

Especially since the OP has such a well-reasoned and intelligent argument himself.

[Faust6999]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
Most of you seem to think homosexuality is a matter of genetics.

In the ME universe genetic modification is pretty damn common, so don't you think by the year 2183 homosexuality and other genetic disorders will have been removed?

That's actually quite true. If I remember my Mass Effect history correctly, there was a time when genetic modification was starting to run rampant, so one can assume that homosexuality simply was phased out along with most genetic diseases and disorders.

Actually its not true. Because if it was, then femshep wouldn't be able to romance liara,morinth,samara,the consort or Yeomen Kelly Chambers. So even BW has proven you wrong! 

[diskoh]

ReconTeam wrote...

diskoh wrote...
Take it up with Merriam-Webster and the Cambrige Dictionary, because I'm just telling you the actual definition of the word.
[*]

[*]Since you seem so content sorting through dictionaries, please educate yourself on the differences between a phobia and a fear. And the difference between fear and anger or disgust. By your logic, if a person dislikes anything they have the phobia related to that particular thing or situation.

[*]Again, I didn't invent the definition. Most dictionaries say "fear or dislike." If you don't like the definition, write a letter to have it changed so you can feel better about being a bigot.

[Collider]

I highly doubt sexuality is simply genetic. A lot of what a person finds attractive has to do with their own personal experiences.

[Ryzaki]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Does a corpse have ownership rights? Or were you referring to a corpse belonging to someone else?

If I am the first to stake a claim, is it alright if I go ahead and eat it?

Actually no you don't have a right to eat someone's corpse. Not unless they gave you permission before they died. Yeah I'm funny to believe that someone's body should be respected like that. Now you want to cut your own arm off and eat it? Go ahead. Knock yourself out. Your boyfriend wants to cut of his arm and feed it to you? Go ahead knock yourself out. But no I don't believe you have any ownership over someone else's body dead or no.

Hypocrisy, much? You fully support a dead man's right to their own dead corpse, despite them not having any actual claim to it whatsoever, yet have no understanding for a man's right to his immediate surroundings.

I should have a right to eat corpses no-one is using anyway. It's a lifestyle choice. Hell, it may even be in my genes, and I'm not hurting anyone. The corpse sure isn't complaining.

riiiight. You should totally have the right to eat someone else's corpse. Hey how about if you leave your car alone for a few hours someone has the right to take that too! I mean you're not using it at the moment after all? For you not to support someone using your car while you aren't is hypocrisy if you support someone being able to eat a dead man!

And btw I fully support someone's choice to remove themselves from any situation that makes them uncomfortable. That is exactly why I'm pro the switch for the gay romances at the beginning of the game and the colored font. Because believe it or not I actually don't want to restrict others choices to satisfy my own. I know right getting along? NO WAI!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 mars 2010 - 06:36 .

[Ryzaki]

DP of failure.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 mars 2010 - 06:34 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Im not so sure the Asari are strictly female.Body wise for what can be seen clearly female.But for them to be impregnated from another female suggests they have male parts somewhere.Not in the trans-gendered way , but like a flower.

I don't know just thinking.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 12 mars 2010 - 06:35 .

[thegreateski]

Faust6999 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
Most of you seem to think homosexuality is a matter of genetics.

In the ME universe genetic modification is pretty damn common, so don't you think by the year 2183 homosexuality and other genetic disorders will have been removed?

That's actually quite true. If I remember my Mass Effect history correctly, there was a time when genetic modification was starting to run rampant, so one can assume that homosexuality simply was phased out along with most genetic diseases and disorders.

Actually its not true. Because if it was, then femshep wouldn't be able to romance liara,morinth,samara,the consort or Yeomen Kelly Chambers. So even BW has proven you wrong! 

We discussed that a few pages ago Faust. Please read.

[Varenus Luckmann]

diskoh wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
Since this appears so hard for some of you to understand:
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari

I suggest you either read that, or actually play the game and talk to people.

HAHAHAHA. So we should disregard the actual game that says asari are female, in favor of a wiki?
Liara is a female and my female Shepard romanced her. If that bothers you, I recommend Halo.

Never said it bothers me, because as I said, Liara isn't actually female - even if she is distinctly feminine. This is stated in the game many times and the wiki reflects that.

Stop staring yourselves blind at the one and only place in the entire game where it actually calls them an all-female race. Go around. Talk to the NPCs. Live a little. Listen to what they have to say. Stop smashing the space button. It's a relatively lore-rich game, if you take the time to listen or read what NPCs and squaddies have to say.

Edit: PS. Halo sucks balls. XOXO

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 12 mars 2010 - 06:36 .

[EternalWolfe]

diskoh wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
Since this appears so hard for some of you to understand:
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari

I suggest you either read that, or actually play the game and talk to people.

HAHAHAHA. So we should disregard the actual game that says asari are female, in favor of a wiki?

Liara is a female and my female Shepard romanced her. If that bothers you, I recommend Halo.

Actually, if you read it, it pretty much spells out that asari are sexually female.  Just like a few species here on earth, so its not really much of a stretch.  Male and female may not have mean much, but only because they lack males, not because they aren't 'female', as we term it.

Not that it matters - the Asari are, for all intents and purposes, female in looks and sounds.  The scene between Femshep and Liara is a scene between two fictional characters, both modeled to look and sound female.  Lesbian.

EDIT

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Im not so sure the Asari are strictly female.Body wise for what can be seen clearly female.But for them to be impregnated from another female suggests they have male parts somewhere.Not in the trans-gendered way , but like a flower.

I don't know just thinking.

http://en.wikipedia....Parthenogenesis

The wiki page explains how their form works(and it should be noted that several of the all-female species on earth show mating rituals and actions to begin their procreation)

Modifié par EternalWolfe, 12 mars 2010 - 06:40 .

[diskoh]

Notice the weird bullet point formatting in all of the posts about
dictionaries? It's because I copy and pasted the definition from the
dictionary.

[thegreateski]

You are aware that dictionaries are changed on a routine basis yes?

[Inquisitor Recon]

diskoh wrote...

[*]Again, I didn't invent the definition. Most dictionaries say "fear or dislike." If you don't like the definition, write a letter to have it changed so you can feel better about being a bigot.

[*]For God's sake take some classes at a community college or something. A phobia is a medical condition, it is not just a fear or dislike of anything. Disliking spiders does not make me an arachonophobe. If I paniced, froze and broke out into a cold sweat when I saw a spider, then I would have a phobia.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Ryzaki wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Right because infringing on someone's elses corpse is totally the same as marrying a live willing above the age of consent human amirite? <_<

Does a corpse have ownership rights? Or were you referring to a corpse belonging to someone else?

If I am the first to stake a claim, is it alright if I go ahead and eat it?

Actually no you don't have a right to eat someone's corpse. Not unless they gave you permission before they died. Yeah I'm funny to believe that someone's body should be respected like that. Now you want to cut your own arm off and eat it? Go ahead. Knock yourself out. Your boyfriend wants to cut of his arm and feed it to you? Go ahead knock yourself out. But no I don't believe you have any ownership over someone else's body dead or no.

Hypocrisy, much? You fully support a dead man's right to their own dead corpse, despite them not having any actual claim to it whatsoever, yet have no understanding for a man's right to his immediate surroundings.

I should have a right to eat corpses no-one is using anyway. It's a lifestyle choice. Hell, it may even be in my genes, and I'm not hurting anyone. The corpse sure isn't complaining.

riiiight. You should totally have the right to eat someone else's corpse. Hey how about if you leave your car alone for a few hours someone has the right to take that too! I mean you're not using it at the moment after all? For you not to support someone using your car while you aren't is hypocrisy if you support someone being able to eat a dead man!

And btw I fully support someone's choice to remove themselves from any situation that makes them uncomfortable. That is exactly why I'm pro the switch for the gay romances at the beginning of the game and the colored font. Because believe it or not I actually don't want to restrict others choices to satisfy my own. I know right getting along? NO WAI!

<---- My post.




<---- Your head.

I suppose it is necessary to know, for the sake of actually understanding what I'm saying, that I don't actually support cannibalism. Since that appears to have gone over your head.

[Collider]

Collider wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Collider wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Collider wrote...
The codex says that the Asari are an all-female race. Unless Liara herself is an anomaly, she is female by virtue of that. Gender does not have the same meaning for the Asari that it does for humans and other sexually dimorphic races, but that doesn't mean that the relationship with Liara if you're female Shepard isn't lesbian. It definitely is. Liara has a female shape and voice. If femshep is attracted to her, she's lesbian/bisexual/or for some reason attracted to Liara individually.

Despite what the codex implies, it is stated numerous times that the Asari aren't actually male or female, but merely resembles females, allowing people to make the mistake you've done.

Definition for female:
1. Someone of feminine sex or gender.
Don't tell me Liara isn't feminine. It's a lesbian relationship. Sexuality can have more to do with gender over biological sex.

Since this appears so hard for some of you to understand:
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari

I suggest you either read that, or actually play the game and talk to people.

That wiki entry perfectly fits with the definition I posted to you. The wiki entry that the Asari are a mono-gendered race with feminine appearances. The definition for female is as follows:

1. Someone of feminine sex or gender.

Liara is female, but not in the sense of human beings. She is also feminine which makes female shepard a lesbian or bisexual if she romances Liara.

Quoting myself so a certain someone can see that I used the dictionary to show that Liara is indeed female.

[tripehound1]

Pretty sure cannibalism is a crime against the people so can't be given consent for, like moider...



now if ya wanna eat a turkey sandwich the law is on your side

[colossus50000]

♀♂ Keep homosexuality OUT of Mass Effect!!!



Hold the Line!♂♀

[Kurt M.]

ReconTeam wrote...

Take it up with Merriam-Webster and the Cambrige Dictionary, because I'm just telling you the actual definition of the word.

[*]Since you seem so content sorting through dictionaries, please educate yourself on the differences between a phobia and a fear. And the difference between fear and anger or disgust. By your logic, if a person dislikes anything they have the phobia related to that particular thing or situation.

[*]And please, educate yourself and realize that dictionaries ALWAYS describe "phobias" as "fear for XXXX". And fear/anger/disgust is so stupidly different words I don't even know why you put them in the same sack. I don't like cucumbers, but I don't fel angered when I see one or them, nor I vomit out of disgust. I just ignore them and center myself on food that I like. Just as you should do with gay/lesbian people (in addition to LEAVE US ALONE).

Modifié par Gladiador2, 12 mars 2010 - 06:41 .

[diskoh]

thegreateski wrote...

You are aware that dictionaries are changed on a routine basis yes?

That's a weak argument. The consensus of every major dictionary in the world that I have found supports my point. That is the correct definition of the word.

You're entitled to think otherwise, but you'd be wrong.

[Ryzaki]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

<---- My post.




<---- Your head.

I suppose it is necessary to know, for the sake of actually understanding what I'm saying, that I don't actually support cannibalism. Since that appears to have gone over your head.

And you totally missed the point. My point was that the so called hypocrisy from my post was pulled out of your - ahem....the air.

...and this argument is going no where. Reminds me of my 5th grade debate class where after a while one of the kids would stick his finger in his ears and scream until everyone sighed and gave up.

Your pretty much arguing against the inclusion of a choice that you will never have to use kind of like arguing about an extra doorway to get to the classroom when you *gasp* Never have to go that way!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 mars 2010 - 06:42 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

diskoh wrote...
Notice the weird bullet point formatting in all of the posts about dictionaries? It's because I copy and pasted the definition from the dictionary.

Dictionaries and definitions does not a language make, much less a culture.

In all other cases, -phobia refers to a medical condition. There's no reason it shouldn't for homophobia.
And in case this is going straight over your head; Your dictionary is in error.

There. I said it. I don't see how I can make it any more clear to you.