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[Grizzly46]

Wittand25 wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

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An honest post desevers an honest answer so :

The romances while not affecting the main game do affect the emotional context of the game. Play throug ME1 with and without a romance, both the lockdown and the flight to Ilios are far more involving if you did persue a romance. Bioware games are also always about allowing the player as many freedoms as resonable possible for creating and playing their character in the game, having such an arbitary restiction regarding male Shepard sticks out (even moreso when you consider that every single female of marriable age wants to have sex with him. And additionally one cannot even claim that a story or character reason for the npc companions to be unavailable for a s/s romance because unlike in DA the npcs treat Shepard exactly the same way nomatter if Shepard is male or female so they all seem to be halfflirting with Shepard regardless of gender but the final line that starts the romance is missing.
Not to mention that providing 5 straight options for a male Shepard ( not even counting one-night stands) but not a single gay one is remarkable and leads to ceratain questions.

Fair points - I cannot comment on the Dragon Age comparison since I haven't played it. However, I don't agree that it would seem like everybody is flirting with Shepard - apart from the obvious love interests (who are flawed as I already stated) I can remember one female showing any form of more intimate interest of my male Shepard, and that would be Shiala. The rest have either displayed an indifferent stance or some kind of 'our hero' wooing - just common celebrity interest, and I don't think that counts.

I don't agree with the 'questions raised' point either, but that is more complicated - I hope I will be able to explain it.
First of all, most people playing (this kind of) games are male. Secondly, most males are straight, just as most females Thirdly, since we are getting into perosnal space now, most of these players are indeed intrigued by lesbian love, but abhorrs or at least dislike gay love. Not all, I'm not saying that, but quite a lot at any rate.

I was about to say something else, but I kind of lost it...

[Naughty Bear]

Estelindis wrote...

Personally, I feel a bit uncomfortable when a same-sex character hits on my player character.agenda.

That is how i feel, so i personally think it is up to the player to start a gay romance. It is a game where YOUR choices impact the story so i believe it is up to the player to start a gay romance with whoever.

[Darkhour]

Why are people challenging this guys opinion?

Modifié par Darkhour, 12 mars 2010 - 12:27 .

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Rne2 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Why must they shove their homosexuality down our throats?!

This. Ur a minority just like the blacks why do we have to have Jacob shoved down our throats too? no 1 cares about what rights and how much you wanna enjoy the game.

I know, right.

Anderson and Udina were enough. They were so well spoken and didn't make my grandma unconfortable at all. I keep checking my credits and my captain's cabin possession every time I came back to the ship. I didn't confront him because you know how loud those people can get, but I'm pretty sure Jacob stole my Fornax and killed my fish while I was away. And I was unhappy with that chrome armor plating he "acquired" (probably illegally). He should go pimp his own ride. I don't want to "float on doves" or have spinning thrusters.

And don't get me started on that latin gang (Ashley and Kaidan). I was very nervous all throughout ME1.

[techpriest1]

I consider, Mass Effect series deserves to have "Airlock option" due opposite opinions about team members.
If you like them - they stay on ship, if you dont- kick that bloody bastards in the space. Easy and funny solution.

[snowkel1]

I'm for the gays; but i'm not FOR THE GAYS.

[Naughty Bear]

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

Rne2 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Why must they shove their homosexuality down our throats?!

This. Ur a minority just like the blacks why do we have to have Jacob shoved down our throats too? no 1 cares about what rights and how much you wanna enjoy the game.

I know, right.

Anderson and Udina were enough. They were so well spoken and didn't make my grandma unconfortable at all. I keep checking my credits and my captain's cabin possession every time I came back to the ship. I didn't confront him because you know how loud those people can get, but I'm pretty sure Jacob stole my Fornax and killed my fish while I was away. And I was unhappy with that chrome armor plating he "acquired" (probably illegally). He should go pimp his own ride. I don't want to "float on doves" or have spinning thrusters.

And don't get me started on that latin gang (Ashley and Kaidan). I was very nervous all throughout ME1.

Lol.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

someone said this topic should be closed quickly

i agree with that, but only when the gay topic is closed first.

[Estelindis]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

Personally, I feel a bit uncomfortable when a same-sex character hits on my player character.agenda.

That is how i feel, so i personally think it is up to the player to start a gay romance. It is a game where YOUR choices impact the story so i believe it is up to the player to start a gay romance with whoever.

I don't agree completely.  Every romanceable character is a *character* before they're romanceable.  Some people will be forthright in stating their romantic interest; with others, the player character will need to take the initiative.  For the same reason that (IMO) not every NPC should be bisexual, not every NPC should have the same approach to romance.  It should always play into their character as a whole.  This is why Mass Effect remains an RPG with romantic elements rather than a date sim.  It shouldn't be about ticking the boxes of romance, but encountering interiguing characters who may or may not be romanceable.

By the way, I also "feel a bit uncomfortable" about you only quoting that one sentence from my post.  It's taken way out of context.  I hope you just did that because you felt it was the only sentence relevant to your response.  The thing is, though, it wasn't.  In the very next sentence, I said that I imagine some gay people feel uncomfortable when straight characters hit on their PC.  So why should they have to experience something that I "should" not?  Making gay romances player-initiated solely because they're gay would be discrimination.  If they are player-initiated, it should be for story purposes only.

Thank you for the discussion, though.

[didymos1120]

Darkhour wrote...

Why are people challenging this guys opinion?

It's the internet?

[didymos1120]

diskoh wrote...

The 1488 in DeadRed's name is a white supremacist code. The 88 is for the 8th letter of the alphabet. HH. Heil Hitler.

The 14 is for the 14 words... I don't remember them specifically, but it's something along the lines of "We must secure the future of the white race..."

Just thought I'd point that out. Night night.

Fourteen Words: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

Racists say the darndest things...

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 mars 2010 - 01:24 .

[HaloKT]

I am a bit curious about a couple of things though...



1.) If Asari are not female, as the anti-gay people claim (which makes women romancing Liara OK, because it isn't gay, right?) and Liara doesn't see herself as female (effectively making her a "male" Asari), does that mean, every Dudeshep romancing Liara instead of Ashley is actually having a gay relationship with Liara?



2.) According to the anti-gay community, the only real Shepard is John McDudeshep. That makes my Femshep completely non-canonical in nature. If I am playing a non-canonical character, wouldn't I be able to romance about anything in the universe, simply because canon rules don't apply to me? I mean, Femsheps are basically fanfic anyway, so where's my fanfic Femshep Talimance? It's not as if it would affect canon Shepard in any way!

[didymos1120]

HaloKT wrote...
1.) If Asari are not female, as the anti-gay people claim (which makes women romancing Liara OK, because it isn't gay, right?) and Liara doesn't see herself as female (effectively making her a "male" Asari), does that mean, every Dudeshep romancing Liara instead of Ashley is actually having a gay relationship with Liara?

Well that's just silly.  Dudeshep is very definitely not gay. That's just a fact. So if he bangs Liara, she must be all woman, 'cause he's all man.  OK, hold on a sec:  I think there might be a small problem with this whole "Liara's not a chick" theory....

[Junkfist]

This thread is a fantastic trainwreck.

[Dirhyn]

Using these 3 hypothesis, we can safely assume that there can't be gay people in the ME2 crew.

1- Children are the only way to assure the future of Humankind

2-Cerberus will do whatever it takes to assure the future of Humankind

3- A M/M or F/F will never produce children ( which is the #1 reason Asari/female cannot be considered a lesbian relationship)

Thus, since Cerberus is working for the future of humankind, we can safely assume that Cerberus will NEVER hire gay people. Since TIM is telling you which squad mate to recruit, we can also safely assume that no specialist will be gay.

Now, we all know Kally hits multiple ways, but she's a psychologist so she can hide it pretty well ; plus she does it with Varrens. We can safely assume that her sexual behavior is completely unknown of TIM.



P.S. Pardon my poor English

[Junkfist]

Excuse me the natural talents of Homosexuals at interior design are of great use to TIM.

He is nothing if not a man of discerning tastes.

*sips drink*

Modifié par Junkfist, 12 mars 2010 - 02:16 .

[LiquidGrape]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

someone said this topic should be closed quickly
i agree with that, but only when the gay topic is closed first.

Don't associate this travesty with the articulate and thought-through pro same-sex relations thread.
Just don't.

[Shadowravyn]

DaeJi wrote...

Hey, be nice people. Sad and amusing as I find them, there group has a right to exist, especially if the pro-gay romance group does. Disagree, debate, turn away in disgust (the three D's) but don't attack. I, for one, support this group's existence.

And I expect the same courtesy for the pro-gay romance group and their threads.

DaeJi,

I absolutely agree that this group has a right to exist (no matter how wrong I think they are).  That is not the issue.  The issue is the tone and hatred that is conveyed in the way the OP reveals this group.  The group has every right to speak out against same sex romance, and to even have their own thread like those who are for same-sex romance.  But they do not have the right to demean, insult, or spew hatred towards the other group.

[Kerilus]

I think the problem is how romance is handled in ME universe, especially in ME2.

Basically, you want to romance someone? Talk to them. There's not even an option to stay friend.Instead, if you remain friendly to the LIs, they automatically assume you're romancing them.

And this is the part that concern you guys who oppose same-sex romance I suppose? That it would come to a place when you would be semi-forced to engage in a gay romance?



For me, if the romance is handled better, maybe like Zevran in DAO, in which he would reveal he also has an interest in man and ask if you're ok with that, then it's fine.

[HaloKT]

Dirhyn wrote...

Using these 3 hypothesis, we can safely assume that there can't be gay people in the ME2 crew.
1- Children are the only way to assure the future of Humankind
2-Cerberus will do whatever it takes to assure the future of Humankind
3- A M/M or F/F will never produce children ( which is the #1 reason Asari/female cannot be considered a lesbian relationship)
Thus, since Cerberus is working for the future of humankind, we can safely assume that Cerberus will NEVER hire gay people. Since TIM is telling you which squad mate to recruit, we can also safely assume that no specialist will be gay.
Now, we all know Kally hits multiple ways, but she's a psychologist so she can hide it pretty well ; plus she does it with Varrens. We can safely assume that her sexual behavior is completely unknown of TIM.

P.S. Pardon my poor English

1.) The only Cerberus crew mates you can interact with are Miranda and Jacob. Oh, and Kelly Chambers, who is very, very bisexual. Although I'd rather mark her as "very sexual", since she does not only like females, but also other species as well. Everyone else either doesn't care for Cerberus enough or openly hates them (e.g. Tali or Jack). In this case, same sex romances would even make sense, just to spite Cerberus.
2.) True, but see 1.)
3.) Not true. With the help of a bit of science, two females could procreate. And this is feasible today, without any weird sci-fi tech. Of course, the offspring can only be female, what with the lack of Y-chromosomes here... but still.

Edit:
I agree on the handling of romances. It'd be greater if you could actually befriend your crewmates with an *option* for romance. I loved the way it was handled with Thane and Garrus. With both you're BFF unless you trigger the "OMG bump me now for great justice!" dialog option. For Thane it was actually worded "Thane, I want you!" and for Garrus something along the lines of "Why not ease some tension together?" after he talks about that. I hate how my Femshep throws herself at Jacob.

Modifié par HaloKT, 12 mars 2010 - 02:38 .

[Vena_86]

If BioWare would force romance not as much and allow for other ways to talk with NPCs then this debate would be even more redundant then it is already.



Romance has become an obvious game mechanic as walking arround with your character. It should be less in your face and more like an extra achievement for commited roleplayers.

[Junkfist]

Arnold Schwarzenegger had that baby in Junior too.

[Dirhyn]

HaloKT wrote...

1.) The only Cerberus crew mates you can interact with are Miranda and Jacob. Oh, and Kelly Chambers, who is very, very bisexual. Although I'd rather mark her as "very sexual", since she does not only like females, but also other species as well. Everyone else either doesn't care for Cerberus enough or openly hates them (e.g. Tali or Jack). In this case, same sex romances would even make sense, just to spite Cerberus.
2.) True, but see 1.)
3.) Not true. With the help of a bit of science, two females could procreate. And this is feasible today, without any weird sci-fi tech. Of course, the offspring can only be female, what with the lack of Y-chromosomes here... but still.

As I said, all of the recruitable squad member are given as dossiers from TIM. Thus he chooses who gets to work on the Normandy.
I already said Kelly is an exeption, no one in their right mind would hire someone who have sex with Varrens. We can assume TIM has no idea of Kelly's sexual activities.
Using cloning or science to produce children is a bad thing evolution-wise. It is even written in one of the codex entry. Thus your point is not valid if we keep the future of the human race in mind.

[Naughty Bear]

Estelindis wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

Personally, I feel a bit uncomfortable when a same-sex character hits on my player character.agenda.

That is how i feel, so i personally think it is up to the player to start a gay romance. It is a game where YOUR choices impact the story so i believe it is up to the player to start a gay romance with whoever.

I don't agree completely.  Every romanceable character is a *character* before they're romanceable.  Some people will be forthright in stating their romantic interest; with others, the player character will need to take the initiative.  For the same reason that (IMO) not every NPC should be bisexual, not every NPC should have the same approach to romance.  It should always play into their character as a whole.  This is why Mass Effect remains an RPG with romantic elements rather than a date sim.  It shouldn't be about ticking the boxes of romance, but encountering interiguing characters who may or may not be romanceable.

By the way, I also "feel a bit uncomfortable" about you only quoting that one sentence from my post.  It's taken way out of context.  I hope you just did that because you felt it was the only sentence relevant to your response.  The thing is, though, it wasn't.  In the very next sentence, I said that I imagine some gay people feel uncomfortable when straight characters hit on their PC.  So why should they have to experience something that I "should" not?  Making gay romances player-initiated solely because they're gay would be discrimination.  If they are player-initiated, it should be for story purposes only.

Thank you for the discussion, though.

Oh i asure you  i read your post, very observant that i did not put in the 'gay people feel uncomfortable when the opposite sex chat them up'. The reason was as i am not gay. So i cannot comment on that as i have not experienced it. But yeah you could be right.
 
Your right  about that i found most of your post irrelevant to my post. Just my opinion of course.

Happy to discuss.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 12 mars 2010 - 02:43 .

[klossen4]

as the turian say you humans are all racists!