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[sirandar]

Personally, I would like to see a simple option when starting the game that either enables or disables same sex sexual relationships. It would be very simple to do and it would be a WIN-WIN for all sides.

Same-sex relationships, if in a game should to be written completely independently of the hetero relationships anyway. They are different and a "one dialog tree fits both" shouldn't really be an option. This being true there should be no problem offering the option to disable them.

Ideal Case:

1) Bioware writes completely different dialog trees and cut scenes for same sex and opposite sex relationships

2) Bioware give us the option to turn off the same sex OR opposite sex relationships as desired during character creation.

WIN-WIN everyone is happy .......

Unfortunately money is the driving force of gaming, not fairness and not culture or sex orientation sensitivity. Bioware isn't going to spend the development money on this.

The real deep down gist of the OP thread is:

Bioware .... I don't want your developers spending time making same sex relationship plot lines when they could be working on making better heterosexual plot lines. When there is a limiting resource homosexuals only deserve 2nd choice or no choice. We are the majority after all.

Ugly isn't it?

Modifié par sirandar, 12 mars 2010 - 11:45 .

[LiquidGrape]

slyguy07 wrote...
Society has let homosexuals down by treating them like their condition is normal after years of oppressing them. (A child can tell just by simple male and female anatomy that they go together) So we just let it be instead of trying to find out what prevents them from being normal and try to find the root of the problem. Oh sure there is plenty of theories, but no real answers. When someone gets an infection do they try to get better yes? They don't sit around pretending it's normal. But I digress. The world is this foolishness and the worst part is they try to keep pushing for it to looked upon as something acceptable and "normal".

Mengele?
Is that you?

[Ashira Shepard]

I think plushies are a great idea :3 Would certainly get a Collector General one ^^

[PyroFreak301]

slyguy07 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I don't get why some people (gay bashers) don't seem to understand this:

Homosexual People = Normal People
Heterosexual People = Normal People

Evil ******/Hetero Sexual People = Evil People
Good ******/Hetero Sexual People = Good People

I guess people only want to understand what they want to understand.
I am gonna go out for a while.

That's opinion.

Society has let homosexuals down by treating them like their condition is normal after years of oppressing them. (A child can tell just by simple male and female anatomy that they go together) So we just let it be instead of trying to find out what prevents them from being normal and try to find the root of the problem. Oh sure there is plenty of theories, but no real answers. When someone gets an infection do they try to get better yes? They don't sit around pretending it's normal. But I digress. The world is this foolishness and the worst part is they try to keep pushing for it to looked upon as something acceptable and "normal".

That's opinion.

Society has let itself down in presuming other people's private interests are inherently right or wrong, or even the business of anyone else. Finally after years of unjustified oppression, we're finally learning to let people do their own thing when it doesn't hurt anyone else. The worst part is people keep trying to enforce their subjective 'norms' on other people when they have no business doing so.

[didymos1120]

CShep25 wrote...
Grow up and respect each other's opinions.

Crap. I hate it when people say that.  I'm sorry, but that's nonsense.  I'm under no obligation to respect anybody's opinions.  If, for example, you believe the Earth was created 6000 years ago and evolution is an evil conspiracy turning our children into godless secular heathens...well, sorry, you're just f*cking wrong and your opinions about geology and biology aren't worth a goddamn thing and deserve no respect at all.  However, I absolutely respect your right to wallow in willful ignorance and be f*cking wrong.  And if I were in the mood for it, I'd happily discuss the issue with you and attempt to explain why you've got it all wrong. But don't expect me to pretend that I think creationism has any merit or that there's any real debate to be had.

Or, for a much simpler example, let's say you start proclaiming across the intarwebs that 1+1=3. Nope, sorry: your opinion just sucks. Time to take a math class. I'd surely love to know why you think that, but the opinion itself will never be anything but ridiculous.

[Ashira Shepard]

I repeat my earlier comment: They might be watching this thread with popcorn.

Unlikely however.



This thread was made 22 hours ago, and has surged up to 52 pages -> maybe they haven't noticed it yet. I could be wrong however.

[incinerator950]

We could use more women where I live, my college's Apartment is mostly male students, with the exception of a few females. Will not deliberate if hot or not.

[Ziggy]

didymos1120 wrote...

CShep25 wrote...
Grow up and respect each other's opinions.

Crap. I hate it when people say that.  I'm sorry, but that's nonsense.  I'm under no obligation to respect anybody's opinions.  If, for example, you believe the Earth was created 6000 years ago and evolution is an evil conspiracy turning our children into godless secular heathens...well, sorry, you're just f*cking wrong and your opinions about geology and biology aren't worth a goddamn thing and deserve no respect at all.  However, I absolutely respect your right to wallow in willful ignorance and be f*cking wrong.  And if I were in the mood for it, I'd happily discuss the issue with you and attempt to explain why you've got it all wrong. But don't expect me to pretend that I think creationism has any merit or that there's any real debate to be had.

Or, for a much simpler example, let's say you start proclaiming across the intarwebs that 1+1=3. Nope, sorry: your opinion just sucks. Time to take a math class. I'd surely love to know why you think that, but the opinion itself will never be anything but ridiculous.

"you don't have a right to an opinion, you have a right to an informed opinion."

[hawat333]

As Mass Effect is a third-person narrative and Shepard is a straight character (don't forget that in third-in person narratives you guide the character, don't define him/her), I don't see gay romances coming.

But hey, it was the same for interspecies romances which are just as ridi... interesting, especially as they sc..d up the lore. And the 'verse. The good ol' scifi feeling and the fact that alien species are alien.



So, if we do have gay romances regardless, at least give us an option to kill the guy/girl immidiately after he/she starts hitting on Shepard.

Really, don't do Zevran again.

[Crimmsonwind]

imported_beer wrote...

I can't believe this thread has been allowed to continue.

Would such sentiments expressed against minorites, or women be tolerable to you Bioware?

The running theory is that everybody is distracted by the Game Developers Conference.

And yeah, I lied, I'm back. This thread has a gravitational pull to it. Maybe it's all the crap being spouted. I say that with love, of course. XD

[HaloKT]

sirandar wrote...

Personally, I would like to see a simple option when starting the game that either enables or disables same sex sexual relationships. It would be very simple to do and it would be a WIN-WIN for all sides.

Same-sex relationships, if in a game should to be written completely independently of the hetero relationships anyway. They are different and a "one dialog tree fits both" shouldn't really be an option. This being true there should be no problem offering the option to disable them.

Ideal Case:

1) Bioware writes completely different dialog trees and cut scenes for same sex and opposite sex relationships

2) Bioware give us the option to turn off the same sex OR opposite sex relationships as desired during character creation.

WIN-WIN everyone is happy .......

Unfortunately money is the driving force of gaming, not fairness and not culture or sex orientation sensitivity. Bioware isn't going to spend the development money on this.

The real deep down gist of the OP thread is:

Bioware .... I don't want your developers spending time making same sex relationship plot lines when they could be working on making better heterosexual plot lines. When there is a limiting resource homosexuals only deserve 2nd choice or no choice. We are the majority after all.

Ugly isn't it?

We are so vocal about it, because we basically expect BioWare to do what they've done in the past. Hell, in some reviews, BW doesn't even get bonus points for story anymore, because people sort of expect a great story in BioWare games. If it doesn't include one, people are going to go ona rampage. Same is with same sex romances. It's skind of a given that there are options for same sex romance in BioWare games. Because that's what they do. They include romances and make sure you don't feel left out. They decided to not do this with Mass Effect (2, since 1 did feature at least a F/F romance).

Anyway! You know, the more I think about it, the more I believe that it's really down to conversation options. Like I've said before, this is why I adore the Leliana romance. You have to point out that you are sort of intersted. She will then slip a note that yes, she also likes girls, to which you are required to proceed with the flirtatious converation options. You cannot just blindly take the Paragon options and suddenly wind up in her bed and wonder how the hell that did happen. Maybe it was the booze. Shouldn't have drunk all of Oghren's gifts...
But yeah, seriously. You need to be in control of the romances. You need to initiate them and you always need to be in control. Hence I would like to see a "Flirt!" option added to the Paragon/Renegade options. That way, everyone would be safe, including the asexual types who don't want to romance anyone. Except maybe those hot  fish I bought on Illium. They're so into me. I can tell.

Edit:
What is the beef with Zevran anyway. Yeah, as a female the first thing he does is try and pull my pants down. Big deal. I say "don't bother", he says "Zevran disapproves (-2) " and that's been dealth with. I honestly don't know why everyone gets so freaked out about Zevran. And for the record, I get hit on by far creepier guys far more often. I actually found Zevran to be very refreshing 

Modifié par HaloKT, 12 mars 2010 - 11:59 .

[Ashira Shepard]

*hugs Crimmsonwind* Welcome back, you were missed. :3

[Crimmsonwind]

hawat333 wrote...

As Mass Effect is a third-person narrative and Shepard is a straight character (don't forget that in third-in person narratives you guide the character, don't define him/her), I don't see gay romances coming.
But hey, it was the same for interspecies romances which are just as ridi... interesting, especially as they sc..d up the lore. And the 'verse. The good ol' scifi feeling and the fact that alien species are alien.

So, if we do have gay romances regardless, at least give us an option to kill the guy/girl immidiately after he/she starts hitting on Shepard.
Really, don't do Zevran again.

Mass Effect is an RPG. Role Playing Game. You define the actions of the character by making choices. The character of Shepard is whoever that particular players wants him or her to be.

[incinerator950]

hawat333 wrote...

As Mass Effect is a third-person narrative and Shepard is a straight character (don't forget that in third-in person narratives you guide the character, don't define him/her), I don't see gay romances coming.
But hey, it was the same for interspecies romances which are just as ridi... interesting, especially as they sc..d up the lore. And the 'verse. The good ol' scifi feeling and the fact that alien species are alien.

So, if we do have gay romances regardless, at least give us an option to kill the guy/girl immidiately after he/she starts hitting on Shepard.
Really, don't do Zevran again.

But you could kill Zevran.

[Crimmsonwind]

AshiraShepard wrote...

*hugs Crimmsonwind* Welcome back, you were missed. :3

 Thanks. I won't be around for long though, just waiting on dinner. Then I'll go do some class work. I gotta pull myself away from this at some point or it'll become unhealthy. XD

Modifié par Crimmsonwind, 12 mars 2010 - 11:59 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Just as a point, the only real things defined about Shepard as a character are: Shepard is human, an N7 operative, and a Specter

Hmm, that reminds me. *scuttles away to get food* You watch, when I get back there'll be five extra pages. Left it for three hours = 20 extra pages.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 13 mars 2010 - 12:01 .

[sirandar]

Tisk Tisk  ....... while I do agree that your beliefs are certainly the most probable explanation, it is certainly not the only one possible.  We might be all inside a demented matrix right now where the rules and facts are only lines of code that can be rewritten at whim.

Also it depends on your view of creationism ..... things get fuzzier as you go further and further back.  There is certainly nothing to rule out someone or something tweaking the process  BUT in all probability you are correct.

Problem is that I don't have a complete understanding about what probability really is.  I know the math, but those are just words and symbols used to describe something we expect based on what we observed. We haven't even really got off this planet yet so our view might be a little narrow, despite the fact we can see into space and time using telescopes and other equipment.

didymos1120 wrote...

CShep25 wrote...
Grow up and respect each other's opinions.

Crap. I hate it when people say that.  I'm sorry, but that's nonsense.  I'm under no obligation to respect anybody's opinions.  If, for example, you believe the Earth was created 6000 years ago and evolution is an evil conspiracy turning our children into godless secular heathens...well, sorry, you're just f*cking wrong and your opinions about geology and biology aren't worth a goddamn thing and deserve no respect at all.  However, I absolutely respect your right to wallow in willful ignorance and be f*cking wrong.  And if I were in the mood for it, I'd happily discuss the issue with you and attempt to explain why you've got it all wrong. But don't expect me to pretend that I think creationism has any merit or that there's any real debate to be had.

Or, for a much simpler example, let's say you start proclaiming across the intarwebs that 1+1=3. Nope, sorry: your opinion just sucks. Time to take a math class. I'd surely love to know why you think that, but the opinion itself will never be anything but ridiculous.

[yuncas]

Jesus would not approve of your hate.

[Crimmsonwind]

sirandar wrote...

Tisk Tisk  ....... while I do agree that your beliefs are certainly the most probable explanation, it is certainly not the only one possible.  We might be all inside a demented matrix right now *snip*

Oh man, do you know how awesome that would be? Doin' backflips and dodgin' bullets... that's what I'm talking about. Keanu Reeves was hot in that movie...

[CShep25]

didymos1120 wrote...

CShep25 wrote...
Grow up and respect each other's opinions.

Crap. I hate it when people say that.  I'm sorry, but that's nonsense.  I'm under no obligation to respect anybody's opinions.  If, for example, you believe the Earth was created 6000 years ago and evolution is an evil conspiracy turning our children into godless secular heathens...well, sorry, you're just f*cking wrong and your opinions about geology and biology aren't worth a goddamn thing and deserve no respect at all.  However, I absolutely respect your right to wallow in willful ignorance and be f*cking wrong.  And if I were in the mood for it, I'd happily discuss the issue with you and attempt to explain why you've got it all wrong. But don't expect me to pretend that I think creationism has any merit or that there's any real debate to be had.

But that's the whole point I was making. Without the biased language. Respect that they have an opinion that differs from yours and have the courtesy to leave them be with their opinion. I have no beef with atheists, but when they persist in enforcing their beliefs on me without provocation, it riles me up. I don't go around spreading the word of God; I don't apply the bible to everyday life, I don't go to mass, I keep my religion private, and I'm perfectly fine with the idea that others don't believe. I don't even think less of them as you appear to do with creationists. Of course, you have the right to think less of me if you wish. It's just not nice if you decided to go out of your way to question my faith as it wouldn't be nice if I threw passages from the bible at you. Common courtesy.

[HaloKT]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

sirandar wrote...

Tisk Tisk  ....... while I do agree that your beliefs are certainly the most probable explanation, it is certainly not the only one possible.  We might be all inside a demented matrix right now *snip*

Oh man, do you know how awesome that would be? Doin' backflips and dodgin' bullets... that's what I'm talking about. Keanu Reeves was hot in that movie...

Don't get me started on Carrie-Ann Moss. I so wanted to get a leather trenchcoat for the first time in my life. Well, I got the sunglasses, sort of. But still....
Anyway, curse you BioWare for remembering me how much of a silly crush on Carrie-Ann Moss I had by hiring her as Aria!

[Lightice_av]

I have no beef with atheists, but when they persist in enforcing their beliefs on me without provocation, it riles me up.

Er, atheists don't have any beliefs. That's what atheism is: not believing. And where is atheism being enforced, anyway? Soviet Russia claimed to do so, but they just turned to worship the Party, instead. I've never heard anybody enforcing true atheism, and it would be pretty impossible to do so if you tried.

[Crimmsonwind]

HaloKT wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

sirandar wrote...

Tisk Tisk  ....... while I do agree that your beliefs are certainly the most probable explanation, it is certainly not the only one possible.  We might be all inside a demented matrix right now *snip*

Oh man, do you know how awesome that would be? Doin' backflips and dodgin' bullets... that's what I'm talking about. Keanu Reeves was hot in that movie...

Don't get me started on Carrie-Ann Moss. I so wanted to get a leather trenchcoat for the first time in my life. Well, I got the sunglasses, sort of. But still....
Anyway, curse you BioWare for remembering me how much of a silly crush on Carrie-Ann Moss I had by hiring her as Aria!

Oh my god I know! I kept finding excuses to run up to her office because she was just so cool.

[Ryzaki]

Lightice_av wrote...

I have no beef with atheists, but when they persist in enforcing their beliefs on me without provocation, it riles me up.

Er, atheists don't have any beliefs. That's what atheism is: not believing. And where is atheism being enforced, anyway? Soviet Russia claimed to do so, but they just turned to worship the Party, instead. I've never heard anybody enforcing true atheism, and it would be pretty impossible to do so if you tried.

Not true!

Atheists don't have any set order of religious beliefs would be more accurate.

I have plenty of beliefs! I believe in freedom of choice for one thing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 mars 2010 - 12:09 .