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[sirandar]

En Guard Mon Cheri

addiction21 wrote...

sirandar wrote...

Imagine how some people feel about not being a a being crafted directly by a divine hand and instead having the a common ancestor with a Chimpanzee ..... those hairy smelly animals that play with themselves in zoos ...... I do declare ......... sighs and faints

PS. I don't have this view of chimps although what I wrote is sometimes the case ....

You just described a tenth of the human male population...  I think the conclusion is clear.   Men are pervs.

[Lightice_av]

You just described a tenth of the human male population... I think the conclusion is clear. Men are pervs.

Newsflash: so are women. They just keep more quiet about it.

[Crimmsonwind]

Dinner break!

And I see waffles and men. Both of which are delicious.

Back to family dinner!

[Ryzaki]

Lightice_av wrote...

You just described a tenth of the human male population... I think the conclusion is clear. Men are pervs.

Newsflash: so are women. They just keep more quiet about it.

Ssssh! You're not supposed to tell them that.

*hides magazines and books of questionable nature behind her*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 mars 2010 - 12:57 .

[PyroFreak301]

Lightice_av wrote...

When looking at the incomprehensible size of even the observable universe, it's pretty difficult to sign up to a belief that says it was made entirely for our purpose.

Existential nihilism is the only true atheism!

No it's not. It just damn bugs me when a small sub-school of some philosophical branch claims that they're the "only true" X. Nihilists are boring and annoying. Not believing in anything doesn't equal having no hope or direction.

The nihilism comment wasn't serious. I forget sarcasm doesn't carry across the internet very well.

That being said, I do agree that the universe doesn't have any intrinsic value beyond what we give it. That doesn't mean I think people are wrong to place their own values upon it... be it religious or otherwise.

[addiction21]

Lightice_av wrote...

You just described a tenth of the human male population... I think the conclusion is clear. Men are pervs.

Newsflash: so are women. They just keep more quiet about it.

I apologize. In the future when making a joke I will be sure to give all parties, cultures, and genders equal footing. God forbid I should leave someone out.

[Cancermeat]

I wonder if Bioware could punish people by temporarly turning off their dlc?

[Ziggy]

CShep25 wrote...

Em23 wrote...

If we were debating what colour is nicer, pink or blue, then you'd be right - we'd both have equally valid opinions. It's just a matter of taste, which can't be justified or invalidated by facts.

But creationism vs evolution doesn't fall into the same category. Creationism is scientifically implausible while evolution is backed up by tons of scientific evidence. In such cases, not all opinions are equal.

Personally, I'm more contemporary. Creationism as told in the bible seems too far fetched to hold any truth. But creation through the Big Bang holds some credence for me, so I validate my faith through science funnily enough. Catholic schools banning the theory of evolution is frownworthy, but traditionalists still have the right to believe whatever they want. Even scientologists have that right, even if today's culture seemingly despises the idea.

Science deals in facts and statistics. It's comfortable. Religion deals in faith, which is a lot more difficult for today's culture to fathom. Taking a step back from the comfort of fact is a bold move, and traditionalists shouldn't be mocked for it. Unfortunately, not many atheists truly grasp the concept of faith which makes it all the easier for them to discredit it. It all rolls back to the same point; respect people's right to have an opinion.

You can't have it both ways - saying it's good to take a step back from the comfort of fact (???) after having said creationism in the bible is too far fetched. Faith by definition is belief without (and often in the face of contradictory) evidence.

I'd say reality is actually less comfortable than fantasy or faith. It's why we read books and play games - to escape it for a bit. It seems to me that people often turn to religion when they can't cope with reality.

[sirandar]

Cancermeat wrote...

I wonder if Bioware could punish people by temporarly turning off their dlc?

It would be quite a punishment as my game wouldn't even start without phoning home after I installed DLCs

Modifié par sirandar, 13 mars 2010 - 01:02 .

[diskoh]

It's only possible to be 1 of these 2 things:



A homophobe

A good person



You have to pick one. You can't be both.

[Collider]

diskoh wrote...

It's only possible to be 1 of these 2 things:

A homophobe
A good person

You have to pick one. You can't be both.

I hope you're not serious. At all.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

diskoh wrote...

It's only possible to be 1 of these 2 things:

A homophobe
A good person

You have to pick one. You can't be both.

I hope you're not serious. At all.

That's such obvious trolling Collinder.

[MassFrost]

Just chiming in here.. While I have no problem whatsoever with the inclusion of same-sex romance options in any of BioWare's game, I sincerely hope that they never, ever get added into the Mass Effect series. Why? Because it would only show all of the other whiners out there that if you **** and complain about something enough that BW will break down and give you whatever the hell you want. I don't see what the hell is so difficult about just being happy with what BW gave you.. One hell of an amazing game.

[HaloKT]

Collider wrote...

HaloKT wrote...
What I think is that every human tries to make up some sort of supernatural entity to believe in.

I don't get the impression of this. Most parts of the world have some supernatural beliefs, but that doesn't mean every human will think of something supernatural on their own.

I however am open to the concept of a supernatural being. Thus I am not an atheist per se.

It doesn't matter whether you're open to the concept or not. What matters is whether you believe in a deity. If you don't, you're an atheist. What constitutes as a deity is up to you.

Every human does search for answers. In absence of such answers, you grab the next best straw you can. It's just what we do.

And I do not agree on your definition of an atheist. Not believing at the moment is not what makes an atheist for me. That is like saying a girl who experimented once during her college years is a lesbian. Or bisexual for that matter. The thing is - in my opinion - to make an atheist, you'd have to abandon all possibility of believing in a supernatural entity. Because even accepting the very concept of a deity could exist would defy atheism.
Oh well, that is my take on it at least.

But there are waffles to be had here, and I feel I'm missing out!

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

diskoh wrote...

It's only possible to be 1 of these 2 things:

A homophobe
A good person

You have to pick one. You can't be both.

I hope you're not serious. At all.

That's such obvious trolling Collinder.

Collinder? Now you're trolling >

[sirandar]

diskoh wrote...

It's only possible to be 1 of these 2 things:

A homophobe
A good person

You have to pick one. You can't be both.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah ..... does my fear of high places make me a bad person ?????

It's not the fear ...... its what you make of it that defines you ......

A homophobe says:

I am not gay so I must be a good person .........  wait a minute  .... I really don't want to be gay.
So how good a person am I?

A Homophile says:

I am not afriad of gays so I must be a good person .........  wait a minute  .... I
really don't want to be afraid of gays. So how good a person am I?

Good and bad are more defined by what you do with what you got.

[CShep25]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

CShep25 wrote...

Who said it was made just for us? We just haven't discovered the asari and turians yet.

Isn't the general gist of the bible that the earth was created for mankind? Everything also revolved around the earth according to the bible. I don't have to take it literally to interpret that they thought the earth was the reason for the universe.

When they got things so many horribly wrong in that book, I don't see any reason why the message of their God should still ring true. But hey, that's only my opinion.

That's why I'm not a traditionalist. The point is the bible is man-made; not some heavenly book descending from the heavens on a floating cloud. It was penned by writers of the time and adheres to what was socially accepted at the time. It wasn't written by angels, it was written by men, and we all know men make mistakes. To get bogged down in the details; taking parables as supposed fact, mistaking epileptic fits with demonic posession, is not the point of the bible.

The message is.

Peace and love and all that stuff Jesus spouted off about. That's the point of the bible, not where people came from. Everything else is just semantics that I'm willing to slide on.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

diskoh wrote...

It's only possible to be 1 of these 2 things:

A homophobe
A good person

You have to pick one. You can't be both.

I hope you're not serious. At all.

That's such obvious trolling Collinder.

Collinder? Now you're trolling >

What can I say? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 mars 2010 - 01:11 .

[PyroFreak301]

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

diskoh wrote...

It's only possible to be 1 of these 2 things:

A homophobe
A good person

You have to pick one. You can't be both.

I hope you're not serious. At all.

That's such obvious trolling Collinder.

Collinder? Now you're trolling >

**** just got serious.

[Arik7]

Ok, people, why don't you leave this thread alone and let it die.

I am disappointed that BioWare allows hate speech on their forums....

Modifié par Arik7, 13 mars 2010 - 01:11 .

[Collider]

HaloKT wrote...

Collider wrote...

HaloKT wrote...
What I think is that every human tries to make up some sort of supernatural entity to believe in.

I don't get the impression of this. Most parts of the world have some supernatural beliefs, but that doesn't mean every human will think of something supernatural on their own.

I however am open to the concept of a supernatural being. Thus I am not an atheist per se.

It doesn't matter whether you're open to the concept or not. What matters is whether you believe in a deity. If you don't, you're an atheist. What constitutes as a deity is up to you.

Every human does search for answers. In absence of such answers, you grab the next best straw you can. It's just what we do.

And I do not agree on your definition of an atheist. Not believing at the moment is not what makes an atheist for me. That is like saying a girl who experimented once during her college years is a lesbian. Or bisexual for that matter.

No it isn't. People are bisexual or homosexual regardless of their actions. Either the attraction exists or it does not. A gay person can be celibate and they often are due to society's perception of gender roles. On the other hand, not believing in god makes you an atheist.

The thing is - in my opinion - to make an atheist, you'd have to abandon all possibility of believing in a supernatural entity.

There's opinion and then there's the definition...what are you saying is not what is required to be anatheist. you're describing something else entirely. first of all, a supernatural entity does not even need to be a deity...

Because even accepting the very concept of a deity could exist would defy atheism.

There is nothing in the definition of atheism like this. All you need is to not believe in god.

[sirandar]

Because satire has it's uses .....

Arik7 wrote...

Ok, people, why don't you leave this thread alone and let it die.

I am disappointed that BioWare allows hate speech on their forums....

[Collider]

CShep25 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

CShep25 wrote...

Who said it was made just for us? We just haven't discovered the asari and turians yet.

Isn't the general gist of the bible that the earth was created for mankind? Everything also revolved around the earth according to the bible. I don't have to take it literally to interpret that they thought the earth was the reason for the universe.

When they got things so many horribly wrong in that book, I don't see any reason why the message of their God should still ring true. But hey, that's only my opinion.

That's why I'm not a traditionalist. The point is the bible is man-made; not some heavenly book descending from the heavens on a floating cloud. It was penned by writers of the time and adheres to what was socially accepted at the time. It wasn't written by angels, it was written by men, and we all know men make mistakes. To get bogged down in the details; taking parables as supposed fact, mistaking epileptic fits with demonic posession, is not the point of the bible.

The message is.

Peace and love and all that stuff Jesus spouted off about. That's the point of the bible, not where people came from. Everything else is just semantics that I'm willing to slide on.

Most of the Bible is not about peace and love though.

[CShep25]

Maybe not the old testament. Jesus pretty much pointed out the fallacies of the Old Testament, and brought about the interpretation of the loving god rather than the vegeful one.

[PyroFreak301]

CShep25 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

CShep25 wrote...

Who said it was made just for us? We just haven't discovered the asari and turians yet.

Isn't the general gist of the bible that the earth was created for mankind? Everything also revolved around the earth according to the bible. I don't have to take it literally to interpret that they thought the earth was the reason for the universe.

When they got things so many horribly wrong in that book, I don't see any reason why the message of their God should still ring true. But hey, that's only my opinion.

That's why I'm not a traditionalist. The point is the bible is man-made; not some heavenly book descending from the heavens on a floating cloud. It was penned by writers of the time and adheres to what was socially accepted at the time. It wasn't written by angels, it was written by men, and we all know men make mistakes. To get bogged down in the details; taking parables as supposed fact, mistaking epileptic fits with demonic posession, is not the point of the bible.

The message is.

Peace and love and all that stuff Jesus spouted off about. That's the point of the bible, not where people came from. Everything else is just semantics that I'm willing to slide on.

I agree with everything Jesus stood for. I just believe he was a social visionary beyond his time, rather than the son of a deity.

The fact that it was written by men turns me off even more. I have no doubt people would claim it's God's wisdom when trying to push their own agenda.