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If that's the 'if there is a god, why is there so much suffering' question, then it's a case of free will.
Adam & Eve is an example of how such a perfect place would end up.
We have free will, and that's why God loves us. That's what the bible
says anyway. We make our own decisions, we screw up because we're only
human. Free will with all the baggage that comes with it is better than
being a mindless husk IMO.


No what I said was not that. But if you want to get into that, I have a similar response.
Being omnipotent, God could created a race of people who both had free will yet individually chose not to be evil or do evil things. Just as YOU choose to be a good person, despite having free will. Everyone errs once in a while, but as a whole most or at least a good number of people are decent folks. God being omnipotent could have done this with the snap of his celestial thumbs.

In addition, about Adam & Eve. Why I am punished for their actions? Why I am punished because God created Adam & Eve in this way? If God in omniscient, or knows everything, he would know that the way that he created Adam and Eve would result in them betraying him and therefore dooming the human race. So God punishes us because of the actions of creations that he know would act in that way? wtf? That's like getting mad over your robot doing what you programmed it to do.

And come on, you wouldn't send the likes of Hitler to hell?

No I wouldn't. While I think of course that Hitler is trash, I could not in good conscious condenmn someone to eternal torture for finite sins. However slight, I'm sure there was some minute good to Hitler, I mean it's not like he wanted to set all of children of germany on fire. Also, it's funny that you mention Hitler when I just said that technically if the Bible is true, I would be going to hell. Generally speaking I don't consider myself comparable to Hitler in any meaningful way.


You're not punished for what Adam and Eve did. Biblically the covenant that deemed what they did wrong was absolved. You are however punished for what you think, do and feel. The sin of creation no longer applies to us anymore.

AND

There is nothing finite about the sins applied to Hitler in a religious sense. If you judge Hitler solely on his ideals and leave any actions he may have taken or would have taken out of the equation he is still someone whom under any form of the religious ideologies would be going to hell. What he stood for at the very core of his doctrine falls very short of the literal term of evil.

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Never gonna make you cry

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Is that a meaty empanada?

Cornish Pasty, the best food ever invented.

EDIT: Apart from pancakes, obviously.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 13 mars 2010 - 02:39 .


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Never gonna say good bye



(thanks, whoever started the rick roll in the first place, I refuse to break the chain XD)

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monkeycamoran wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Image IPB


Is that a meaty empanada?


Dunno, the filling looks a bit like puke, though

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Love Cornish Pasty. Being away from England, I don't get it here though. Woe is me :(

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Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

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 Back in high-school there was a pro-Christian anti-homosexual mini-rally. It was on the sidewalk (whoops, forgot that earlier) which wasn't on school property, so they were allowed to do it.

So what did we do?

Got a horde of us young men at lunch-time and danced with each other to this.

I will only join this fight if that is our warsong!

Modifié par Pocketgb, 13 mars 2010 - 02:47 .


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mrfoo1 wrote...
You're not punished for what Adam and Eve did.

Really? If I were a woman, the Bible says, I am going to have pain  while birthing children due to the actions of Adam/Eve. Maybe women stopped having pain while in labor?????

There is nothing finite about the sins applied to Hitler in a religious sense.

Not my point. My point is that his sins were conducted in a finite lifetime.

If you judge Hitler solely on his ideals and leave any actions he may have taken or would have taken out of the equation he is still someone whom under any form of the religious ideologies would be going to hell. What he stood for at the very core of his doctrine falls very short of the literal term of evil.

Yea, don't be surprised if I'm not appreciative of being paired with someone like Hitler.

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Never gonna give-never gonna give (give you up) x2



I think we finished the song O_o



I never expected this to last that long. This is awkward.

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Collider wrote...

Being omnipotent, God could created a race of people who both had free will yet individually chose not to be evil or do evil things.



Uh, if God controls your paragon/renegade stance, that's not free will. Under any circumstances. Even tweaking a little; that's not free will. We'd be controlled. It's either free will, or not free will, there's no middle ground.

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In addition, about Adam & Eve. Why I am punished for their actions? Why I am punished because God created Adam & Eve in this way? If God is omniscient, or knows everything, he would know that the way that he created Adam and Eve would result in them betraying him and therefore dooming the human race. So God punishes us because of the actions of creations that he know would act in that way? wtf? That's like getting mad over your robot doing what you programmed it to do.


How are you being punished? You've got a life that you're living. Do what you want with it. There has been no dooming; humanity is still going strong; maybe when Revelations rolls round and the angels start culling you can complain, but everything so far that's happened is because of your own free will; your own decisions. No point in pinning the blame on God. Suffering is a part of life, and Heaven suggests a redeemable coupon if things don't go your way. What would even be the point of a Heaven if everything on Earth was hunky dory?

EDIT: Wait a minute, I'm comparing you to Hitler? When did I ever make that allusion?

Modifié par CShep25, 13 mars 2010 - 02:46 .


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SimonTheFrog wrote...
Dunno, the filling looks a bit like puke, though


It reminds me of Cuban empanadas. It's making me hungry just looking at the crust. The oil Cubans use to fry the crust. Mmmmmm...

Someday, I'll taste a Cornish pasty. Someday...

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You're a Cuban empanada.

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mrfoo1 wrote...

There is nothing finite about the sins applied to Hitler in a religious sense. If you judge Hitler solely on his ideals and leave any actions he may have taken or would have taken out of the equation he is still someone whom under any form of the religious ideologies would be going to hell. What he stood for at the very core of his doctrine falls very short of the literal term of evil.


Is it possible for a person to change?

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Lol, Rick Astley...

Now something to make everyone happy again:

Now, this is the story all about how

My life got flipped-turned upside down

And I'd like to take a minute

Just sit right there

I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised

On the playground was where I spent most of my days

Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool

And all shootin some b-ball outside of school

When a couple of guys

Who were up to no good

Startin making trouble in my neighborhood

I got in one little fight and my mom got scared

She said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air'


I whistled for a cab and when it came near

The license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror

If anything I can say is that this cab was rare

But I thought 'Man forget it' - 'Yo home to Bel Air'



I pulled up to the house about seven or eight

And I yelled to the cabbie 'Yo homes smell ya later'

I looked to my kingdom

I was finally there

To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel Air

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diskoh wrote...

You're a Cuban empanada.


I am? 

Thank you.

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LiquidGrape wrote...

slyguy07 wrote...
Society has let homosexuals down by treating them like their condition is normal after years of oppressing them. (A child can tell just by simple male and female anatomy that they go together) So we just let it be instead of trying to find out what prevents them from being normal and try to find the root of the problem. Oh sure there is plenty of theories, but no real answers. When someone gets an infection do they try to get better yes? They don't sit around pretending it's normal. But I digress. The world is this foolishness and the worst part is they try to keep pushing for it to looked upon as something acceptable and "normal".


Mengele?
Is that you?


Who? No it's not.

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And now I have Rick Astley stuck in my head, great!

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General Stubbs wrote...

Lol, Rick Astley...

Now something to make everyone happy again:

Now, this is the story all about how

My life got flipped-turned upside down

And I'd like to take a minute

Just sit right there

I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised

On the playground was where I spent most of my days

Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool

And all shootin some b-ball outside of school

When a couple of guys

Who were up to no good

Startin making trouble in my neighborhood

I got in one little fight and my mom got scared

She said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air'


I whistled for a cab and when it came near

The license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror

If anything I can say is that this cab was rare

But I thought 'Man forget it' - 'Yo home to Bel Air'



I pulled up to the house about seven or eight

And I yelled to the cabbie 'Yo homes smell ya later'

I looked to my kingdom

I was finally there

To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel Air



You just took potentially several pages of high quality spam for yourself.

You selfish bastard.

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It was for a good cause.

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...human suffering was adam and eve's punishment for disobeying god. -_-* If I'm not being punished I shouldn't suffer. Shouldn't be mortal either come to think of it.

Where's my immortality? The cure for my sickle cell anemia? The cure for my asthma? I haven't (hadn't to be correct had then since I was 4) done anything to deserve those things.

Why are children who haven't done anything wrong born with diseases? What have they done to deserve it? If no one is being punished that simply shouldn't happen.

Unless of course one goes with the "natural" argument which makes "god" a moot point.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 mars 2010 - 02:54 .


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PyroFreak301 wrote...

slyguy07 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I don't get why some people (gay bashers) don't seem to understand this:

Homosexual People = Normal People
Heterosexual People = Normal People

Evil ******/Hetero Sexual People = Evil People
Good ******/Hetero Sexual People = Good People

I guess people only want to understand what they want to understand.
I am gonna go out for a while.


That's opinion.

Society has let homosexuals down by treating them like their condition is normal after years of oppressing them. (A child can tell just by simple male and female anatomy that they go together) So we just let it be instead of trying to find out what prevents them from being normal and try to find the root of the problem. Oh sure there is plenty of theories, but no real answers. When someone gets an infection do they try to get better yes? They don't sit around pretending it's normal. But I digress. The world is this foolishness and the worst part is they try to keep pushing for it to looked upon as something acceptable and "normal".

That's opinion.

Society has let itself down in presuming other people's private interests are inherently right or wrong, or even the business of anyone else. Finally after years of unjustified oppression, we're finally learning to let people do their own thing when it doesn't hurt anyone else. The worst part is people keep trying to enforce their subjective 'norms' on other people when they have no business doing so.


Right because obviously nature intended for us to be homosexual. I mean that way we can reproduce...oh wait no we can't.

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slyguy07 wrote...
Right because obviously nature intended for us to be homosexual. I mean that way we can reproduce...oh wait no we can't.

No, but it's hot.

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slyguy07 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

slyguy07 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I don't get why some people (gay bashers) don't seem to understand this:

Homosexual People = Normal People
Heterosexual People = Normal People

Evil ******/Hetero Sexual People = Evil People
Good ******/Hetero Sexual People = Good People

I guess people only want to understand what they want to understand.
I am gonna go out for a while.


That's opinion.

Society has let homosexuals down by treating them like their condition is normal after years of oppressing them. (A child can tell just by simple male and female anatomy that they go together) So we just let it be instead of trying to find out what prevents them from being normal and try to find the root of the problem. Oh sure there is plenty of theories, but no real answers. When someone gets an infection do they try to get better yes? They don't sit around pretending it's normal. But I digress. The world is this foolishness and the worst part is they try to keep pushing for it to looked upon as something acceptable and "normal".

That's opinion.

Society has let itself down in presuming other people's private interests are inherently right or wrong, or even the business of anyone else. Finally after years of unjustified oppression, we're finally learning to let people do their own thing when it doesn't hurt anyone else. The worst part is people keep trying to enforce their subjective 'norms' on other people when they have no business doing so.


Right because obviously nature intended for us to be homosexual. I mean that way we can reproduce...oh wait no we can't.

Because nature is capable of having intentions. Oh wait, it isn't.

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slyguy07 wrote...


Right because obviously nature intended for us to be homosexual. I mean that way we can reproduce...oh wait no we can't.


Yes because what happens in nature cannot possibly be natural...