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[Crimmsonwind]

addiction21 wrote...

slyguy07 wrote...


Right because obviously nature intended for us to be homosexual. I mean that way we can reproduce...oh wait no we can't.

Yes because what happens in nature cannot possibly be natural...

Uh oh.

[Ryzaki]

Hitler must be proud of himself. His name and actions will never be forgotten. Nor will his ideals.

[Allison W]

slyguy07 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

slyguy07 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I don't get why some people (gay bashers) don't seem to understand this:

Homosexual People = Normal People
Heterosexual People = Normal People

Evil ******/Hetero Sexual People = Evil People
Good ******/Hetero Sexual People = Good People

I guess people only want to understand what they want to understand.
I am gonna go out for a while.

That's opinion.

Society has let homosexuals down by treating them like their condition is normal after years of oppressing them. (A child can tell just by simple male and female anatomy that they go together) So we just let it be instead of trying to find out what prevents them from being normal and try to find the root of the problem. Oh sure there is plenty of theories, but no real answers. When someone gets an infection do they try to get better yes? They don't sit around pretending it's normal. But I digress. The world is this foolishness and the worst part is they try to keep pushing for it to looked upon as something acceptable and "normal".

That's opinion.

Society has let itself down in presuming other people's private interests are inherently right or wrong, or even the business of anyone else. Finally after years of unjustified oppression, we're finally learning to let people do their own thing when it doesn't hurt anyone else. The worst part is people keep trying to enforce their subjective 'norms' on other people when they have no business doing so.

Right because obviously nature intended for us to be homosexual. I mean that way we can reproduce...oh wait no we can't.

Beyond what Pyro said, you're also assuming that reproduction is mandatory, when it's nothing of the sort. Especially in a world with advanced medical technology, the replacement rate can easily be hit without everyone reproducing.

And assuming that everyone must reproduce goes to very, very bad places.

[JoeyUsf813]

We are a part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

[Crimmsonwind]

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are a part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

I want to hug you right now. That was well said.

[Collider]

[quote]CShep25 wrote...

[quote]Collider wrote...

Being omnipotent, God could created a race of people who both had free will yet individually chose not to be evil or do evil things. [/quote]


Uh, if God controls your paragon/renegade stance, that's not free will.[/quote]
I don't know what paragon renegade status has to do with this discussion but I LOL'D
I already told you how this could work. By VERY DEFINITION, an omnipotent God - meaning a God who could do anything could create humans as creatures with free will yet freely choose not to sin. Again, just like how you, CShep25, have free will yet you don't eat babies. Unless you do...O_O

[quote]Under any circumstances. Even tweaking a little; that's not free will.[/quote]
Then you should be saying that we don't have free will at all, considering we have human instincts.

[quote]We'd be controlled.[/quote]
Uh, no not quite. Again. Do you feel like you're being controlled when you continue to be a good person, as I'm sure you are? No. You do it freely, even when you have ample opportunity to be an evil person or do evil acts. In the same vein, God especially considering he could do anything could create humans who have free will yet freely choose to be good people.

[quote]How are you being punished?[/quote]
Not being in the garden where everything is perfect, for example?
If I were a woman, I'd have great pains birthing children, for example?
Why? Because of Adam and Eve, peeps whom I had no control over.

[quote]You've got a life that you're living. Do what you want with it. There has been no dooming; humanity is still going strong;[/quote]
I would consider humanity eventually being reaped by angels and plagues and earthquakes and fire and lightning and war and...in relevation as effectively an addiction that humanity is doomed.

[quote]maybe when Revelations rolls round and the angels start culling you can complain,[/quote]
You can be sure I would be annoyed if that happened.

[quote]but everything so far that's happened is because of your own free will; your own decisions.[/quote]
??? If I had my way, the world would have no war or disease. I had no part at all in 9/11 or the innocent civilians getting killed in the Middle East.

[quote]No point in pinning the blame on God.[/quote]
considering I don't believe in god...I'm not. But if the Biblical God exists, then he created this world knowing that the world would turn out as it did. He's fully at fault for it. He could have created the world differently.

[quote]Suffering is a part of life, and Heaven suggests a redeemable coupon if things don't go your way. What would even be the point of a Heaven if everything on Earth was hunky dory?[/quote]
Who says there even needs to be a heaven, earth, and a hell?

[quote]EDIT: Wait a minute, I'm comparing you to Hitler? When did I ever make that allusion?[/quote]
Don't believe I said you were comparing me to Hitler directly, if I gave that impression I apologize. But I found it strange that you brought it up.

[Bullets McDeath]

Not to mention that with science, reproduction can occur without any male input at all. Just lady parts. So, clearly God designed lesbians as the Ultimate Evolution of humankind. Which should have been obvious, I mean... damn.

[JoeyUsf813]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hitler must be proud of himself. His name and actions will never be forgotten. Nor will his ideals.

Well, at least until we all die and our records burn away.

[Kyanos1a]

As of studies in 1999.. see wiki.. Atleast 1500 species have been shown to have homosexual tendencies. These species range from primates to gut worms.. Humans are animals hence the expression of homosexual tendencies seems rather an expression of nature to me.


Oh and for the Love of cake please get back to some warm buttery waffles!!!!

Modifié par Kyanos1a, 13 mars 2010 - 03:00 .

[Collider]

Ryzaki wrote...

...human suffering was adam and eve's punishment for disobeying god. * If I'm not being punished I shouldn't suffer. Shouldn't be mortal either come to think of it.

Thank you for reminding me. According the Bible humans suffer because of the actions of adam and eve.

[JoeyUsf813]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are a part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

I want to hug you right now. That was well said.

Thank you.

[Illogical343]

I'm down with homosexuality as a natural thing, equal rights, so on and so forth... but not in mass effect. Doesn't fit the mood in my opinion

[diskoh]

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are a part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

You're part of the natural universe.

[PyroFreak301]

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are a part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

Unless I find it icky. Then it's an aberration of nature and should be stopped immediately.

[Bryy_Miller]

slyguy07 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

slyguy07 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I don't get why some people (gay bashers) don't seem to understand this:

Homosexual People = Normal People
Heterosexual People = Normal People

Evil ******/Hetero Sexual People = Evil People
Good ******/Hetero Sexual People = Good People

I guess people only want to understand what they want to understand.
I am gonna go out for a while.

That's opinion.

Society has let homosexuals down by treating them like their condition is normal after years of oppressing them. (A child can tell just by simple male and female anatomy that they go together) So we just let it be instead of trying to find out what prevents them from being normal and try to find the root of the problem. Oh sure there is plenty of theories, but no real answers. When someone gets an infection do they try to get better yes? They don't sit around pretending it's normal. But I digress. The world is this foolishness and the worst part is they try to keep pushing for it to looked upon as something acceptable and "normal".

That's opinion.

Society has let itself down in presuming other people's private interests are inherently right or wrong, or even the business of anyone else. Finally after years of unjustified oppression, we're finally learning to let people do their own thing when it doesn't hurt anyone else. The worst part is people keep trying to enforce their subjective 'norms' on other people when they have no business doing so.

Right because obviously nature intended for us to be homosexual. I mean that way we can reproduce...oh wait no we can't.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what Pyro said. He was talking about societal norms and you bring up a strawman?

[Allison W]

On the subject of whether things that happen in nature can be unnatural, it's important to remember that everything is part of nature, including human inventions--cars and computers are a part of nature in the same way that a beaver dams and beehives are.

The thing to take away from this is that the unnatural doesn't exist. If something can happen in the natural world (read: the material world) at all, it is, by definition, natural. It is literally impossible to do something unnatural--if it were unnatural, it would be impossible to do.

And while I'm on it, it's impossible to commit a crime against nature. Natural law, by definition, cannot be broken--if you have to "enforce" it, or punish people for breaking it, it isn't a natural law at all.

EDIT: Whoops, some folks beat me to some of this. Oh well.

Modifié par Allison W, 13 mars 2010 - 03:05 .

[Crimmsonwind]

I dunno guys, even the worms are showing homosexual tendencies now. You're gonna have one heck of a time arguing this one now. XD



Unless we're somehow influencing the world with out evil thoughts. I'll ah... go turn off my doomsday mind manipulation device now.

[tripehound1]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are a part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

Unless I find it icky. Then it's an aberration of nature and should be stopped immediately.

Yeah, but usually either the cork falls out, or the dog explodes.

This is still going on? lol

[JoeyUsf813]

diskoh wrote...

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

You're part of the natural universe.

I tried editing it, but it never works for me.  It is changed now, but I think people will still get what I was trying to say based on the rest of the text.

[Bryy_Miller]

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are a part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

And when a digital representation of a man loves a digital representation of a fish/lizard man, it is an act of nature.

[Crimmsonwind]

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

diskoh wrote...

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

You're part of the natural universe.

I tried editing it, but it never works for me.  It is changed now, but I think people will still get what I was trying to say based on the rest of the text.

The editing tool can be a bit slow. It takes a minute for the changes to actually show up. :/

[addiction21]

Ryzaki wrote...

...human suffering was adam and eve's punishment for disobeying god. * If I'm not being punished I shouldn't suffer. Shouldn't be mortal either come to think of it.

Come to think about it...  you would not smell funny either.

ZING!!

Time for some waffles.

[Crimmsonwind]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

JoeyUsf813 wrote...

We are a part of the natural universe, not seperate. What we do should be considered natural. A bird builds a nest, and it is considered an act of nature. We build a house, and it is an act of nature. A man loves a man, and it is an act of nature. A woman loves a woman, and it is an act of nature.

And when a digital representation of a man loves a digital representation of a fish/lizard man, it is an act of nature.

A sexy act of nature.

[WarAxe7]

DaeJi wrote...

Hey, be nice people. Sad and amusing as I find them, there group has a right to exist, especially if the pro-gay romance group does. Disagree, debate, turn away in disgust (the three D's) but don't attack. I, for one, support this group's existence.

And I expect the same courtesy for the pro-gay romance group and their threads.

Admirable... but ultimately you are trying to speak in a mture way to a gaggle of scroungy kids and socially inept adults still living with their mom.   It usually goes badly, even if it's the right thing to do.