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The question should by WHY should we pay for Kasumi ? No reason. Should be free as it was content that was originally suposed to be in the game. By giving us a bunch of free DLC, bioware is doing its own loyalty mission towards its customer. They're going to lose my loyalty if they charge me.
What would you pay for the 'Kasumi DLC'?
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#127
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:24
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If the mission isn't any longer than Zaeed's: anything more than $5 would be too much, IMO.
However, if there is more than one mission to Kasumi, but rather a couple of missions spread out with some sort of "features" attached to them that are outside the usual... then maybe $10 can be justified.
However, if there is more than one mission to Kasumi, but rather a couple of missions spread out with some sort of "features" attached to them that are outside the usual... then maybe $10 can be justified.
#128
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:27
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Thalandor21 wrote...
The question should by WHY should we pay for Kasumi ? No reason. Should be free as it was content that was originally suposed to be in the game. By giving us a bunch of free DLC, bioware is doing its own loyalty mission towards its customer. They're going to lose my loyalty if they charge me.
Nothing was supposed to be in the game that isn't in the game. The fact that the game might have remnants of code that will allow the developers to easily attach DLC at a later date does NOT mean that the DLC was "supposed to be in the game" from the get go but they chopped it off instead. That's nothing more than what you WANT to think. Stop making things up with gross assumptions, that's what crazy people do.
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#129
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:27
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IndianKJBlue wrote...
If the mission isn't any longer than Zaeed's: anything more than $5 would be too much, IMO.
However, if there is more than one mission to Kasumi, but rather a couple of missions spread out with some sort of "features" attached to them that are outside the usual... then maybe $10 can be justified.
She sounds exactly like Zaeed except her loyalty mission is longer. Looks like you kinda just walk up to her on the Citadel to recruit her just like Zaeed. Can't interact with her at all while you're on the Normandy just like Zaeed. Pretty lame if you ask me.
#130
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:43
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As much as I love BioWare, I'm surprised that this isn't part of the Cerberus Network.
They have given us a lot in my opinion so far through the Cerberus Network: Zaeed, SR1 Site, Hammerhead. Thats a lot for free in my opinion. The SR1 site gives a little under 30 min of rememberance, Zaeed offers upgrades, heavy weapon, replayability, and maybe 30-60 min of gameplay, we don't know what Hammerhead will be but at least 5 missions.
I'm looking forward to Kasumi and the extra 90 min of gameplay. I hope there is good dialogue (and from what I heard, at least interesting stories that she tells like Zaeed), replaybility, and more than just an SMG.
I don't have many Microsoft points remaining, but Bring Down the Sky was worth $5, Pinnacle Station was worth maybe $2-3. I would have definetly prefered Kasumi to be free but considering everything BioWare has given us and will be giving us, I can fork over extra money to them for DLC. I'd prefer not to pay more than $5 though (400ms points), especially in comparison to the full retail game.
I only have $7 in points and can't afford more. I don't want to pay more than $5. If it is more than $5 then I'll probably have to wait a while. I would like it to cost no more than $3-4 (240-320 ms points).
I would not consider Normandy crash site and zaeed true DLC, since they were removed from the main game on purpose.
The only real cerberus network DLC will be the hammerhead.
But seriously, I'm a fan of mass effect too, but you guys must think twice before supporting some behavior.
If Kasumi (that's she's already included in game game disc...) a DLC that should be available for free in cerberus network, will make it at 400 (some of you are even that crazy to pay it 800 or more), that will mean less free content on cerberus network in future.
Is that what you want guys?
#131
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:47
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In all honesty, unless I hear really good things about Kasumi, I'm not going to buy it for any price.
She's a squadmade in a team that already has a glut of squadmates. I don't need another squad member, and certainly not another Zaeed, who lacks for actual dialog or much impact on the game' story. I was already burned by Zaeed because I went in expecting another Shale (who was seamlessly integrated into the main game and was pretty much the perfect expression of the "DLC character" concept.) I'm not going to shell out money for Kasumi. Twelve squadmates is plenty, and it's not like I'm hankering for XP or that Kasumi will have big reprecussions in ME3.
We also got Zaeed through the Cerberus network. I'm not sure why we should pay for another Zaeed when we got the first one free. Again, if there's a lot more content than with Zaeed, I could see it.
It's not like I've got a problem shelling out money for Mass Effect content (CE owner here), but if I'm going to be paying for that content, I expect it to be worth the money. The Warden's Keep and RTO in DAO were not, and Zaeed was not (fortunately he was free.)
Frankly, the Cerberus Network is a great idea. It prompts people to both not pirate, and to buy new copies of the game. The steady content stream also keeps interest in ME2 high, and thus, indirectly encourages people to buy other Mass Effect products.
But the CN only works if there's a stream of new content. If the content stops being placed on the network and starts becoming paid for ala the DLC for Oblivion, FO3, or DAO, people are more likely to just download a lump of cracked DLC. With the stream, pirates have to download a cracked version of the DLC every time a new DLC pack is released. Some people will do that, but for most of us, that's a pain in the butt. Much easier to just buy retail, plop in the CN key, and download whatever DLC packs are released whenever you've got a minute. No time consuming searches through isohunt required.
Earlier, someone brought up the example of Borderlands DLC. That was a good example of something I'd pay for. The third DLC added 40 quests or thereabouts, new vehicles, new enemies, and several new locations that were visually distinct from anything in the main game. It's given me at least ten hours of gameplay, so it was definitely worth ten bucks. Even the first BL DLC added a lot of content, though not as much as the third, and it was still worth money. (The second DLC wasn't worth the money at all. Oh well, nobody's perfect.)
Another example is the FO3 DLC. Each of those provided a long and involved questline that took at least two hours unless you were intentionally blowing through it. Again, this is the level of content I'd expect if I'm going to be paying microsoft bucks or bioware points, or whatever faux-currency you wish to use.
So to sum it all up: I'd pay money for Kasumi only if she's got full dialog, full integration to the game ala Shale, and enough new content to make paying money for her worth my time. That means, at minimum, two large and involved missions - a recruitment mission and a loyalty mission. It must also include a decent amount of dialog; a romance subplot is optional, but a large amount of dialog isn't.
She's a squadmade in a team that already has a glut of squadmates. I don't need another squad member, and certainly not another Zaeed, who lacks for actual dialog or much impact on the game' story. I was already burned by Zaeed because I went in expecting another Shale (who was seamlessly integrated into the main game and was pretty much the perfect expression of the "DLC character" concept.) I'm not going to shell out money for Kasumi. Twelve squadmates is plenty, and it's not like I'm hankering for XP or that Kasumi will have big reprecussions in ME3.
We also got Zaeed through the Cerberus network. I'm not sure why we should pay for another Zaeed when we got the first one free. Again, if there's a lot more content than with Zaeed, I could see it.
It's not like I've got a problem shelling out money for Mass Effect content (CE owner here), but if I'm going to be paying for that content, I expect it to be worth the money. The Warden's Keep and RTO in DAO were not, and Zaeed was not (fortunately he was free.)
Frankly, the Cerberus Network is a great idea. It prompts people to both not pirate, and to buy new copies of the game. The steady content stream also keeps interest in ME2 high, and thus, indirectly encourages people to buy other Mass Effect products.
But the CN only works if there's a stream of new content. If the content stops being placed on the network and starts becoming paid for ala the DLC for Oblivion, FO3, or DAO, people are more likely to just download a lump of cracked DLC. With the stream, pirates have to download a cracked version of the DLC every time a new DLC pack is released. Some people will do that, but for most of us, that's a pain in the butt. Much easier to just buy retail, plop in the CN key, and download whatever DLC packs are released whenever you've got a minute. No time consuming searches through isohunt required.
Earlier, someone brought up the example of Borderlands DLC. That was a good example of something I'd pay for. The third DLC added 40 quests or thereabouts, new vehicles, new enemies, and several new locations that were visually distinct from anything in the main game. It's given me at least ten hours of gameplay, so it was definitely worth ten bucks. Even the first BL DLC added a lot of content, though not as much as the third, and it was still worth money. (The second DLC wasn't worth the money at all. Oh well, nobody's perfect.)
Another example is the FO3 DLC. Each of those provided a long and involved questline that took at least two hours unless you were intentionally blowing through it. Again, this is the level of content I'd expect if I'm going to be paying microsoft bucks or bioware points, or whatever faux-currency you wish to use.
So to sum it all up: I'd pay money for Kasumi only if she's got full dialog, full integration to the game ala Shale, and enough new content to make paying money for her worth my time. That means, at minimum, two large and involved missions - a recruitment mission and a loyalty mission. It must also include a decent amount of dialog; a romance subplot is optional, but a large amount of dialog isn't.
#132
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:50
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You forget that all the DLC is through CN right now, that includes Cerberus Assault Armor and Shotgun, Terminus Armor, Blood Dragon Armor, Inferno Armor, Collector Rifle and Armor set, Incisor Rifle, Sentry Visor, Recon Hood, Umbra visor thing, Zaeed, Arc Projector, and the Normandy Crash site. It's more like a hub to pass info through, right now everything is golden, because all I'm missing is the Incisor rifle.
That's alot of stuff for some minor things, even if they're one to 3 pieces of gear. Back in Dead Space, we had to pay for EVERYTHING that was an upgrade if you were on the console. 4 sets of Armor, 6-7 sets of weapon skins, and atleast one weapon damage mod gun. That's alot for "small things" that had to be paid for.
Arguing for paying to get Kasumi is moderate, because people who didn't get a code for Shale had to pay what, $5-12 for her? So long as Kasumi is not just another bare character with one moderately short sidequest, she might be worth something. If it's a multitude of quests related to her, and she actually happens to be useful and not some mixandmatch dry character that we already have, then she might be worth atleast 400 points.
If it's not free from the CN, I'm not rushing to get the DLC unless I already had the points.
That's alot of stuff for some minor things, even if they're one to 3 pieces of gear. Back in Dead Space, we had to pay for EVERYTHING that was an upgrade if you were on the console. 4 sets of Armor, 6-7 sets of weapon skins, and atleast one weapon damage mod gun. That's alot for "small things" that had to be paid for.
Arguing for paying to get Kasumi is moderate, because people who didn't get a code for Shale had to pay what, $5-12 for her? So long as Kasumi is not just another bare character with one moderately short sidequest, she might be worth something. If it's a multitude of quests related to her, and she actually happens to be useful and not some mixandmatch dry character that we already have, then she might be worth atleast 400 points.
If it's not free from the CN, I'm not rushing to get the DLC unless I already had the points.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:54
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like i said ill only pay between 5 and 10 bucks thats it for dlc charachters. and dont forget people we already got enough free stuff and still coming so whats so bad about paying for kasumi? not everything is free in life
#134
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:04
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Tazzmission wrote...
like i said ill only pay between 5 and 10 bucks thats it for dlc charachters. and dont forget people we already got enough free stuff and still coming so whats so bad about paying for kasumi? not everything is free in life
It's kind of silly to have to pay for Kasumi when Zaeed was free. Unless Kasumi has significantly more content than Zaeed did. Especially when there's evidence of Kasumi being in the game originally and then being cut.
It also rather undermines the Cerberus Network; including Kasumi on it would provide another significant incentive to buy retail rather than pirate or buy secondhand for most casual buyers..
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#135
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:09
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I'd pay up to £5.
In any case the price should be reasonable, and I'll most likely be buying it.
In any case the price should be reasonable, and I'll most likely be buying it.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:11
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Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
Tazzmission wrote...
like i said ill only pay between 5 and 10 bucks thats it for dlc charachters. and dont forget people we already got enough free stuff and still coming so whats so bad about paying for kasumi? not everything is free in life
It's kind of silly to have to pay for Kasumi when Zaeed was free. Unless Kasumi has significantly more content than Zaeed did. Especially when there's evidence of Kasumi being in the game originally and then being cut.
It also rather undermines the Cerberus Network; including Kasumi on it would provide another significant incentive to buy retail rather than pirate or buy secondhand for most casual buyers..
well my cousin borrowed my game and got alot of the dlc without sighning into the network so im guessing zaeed and the crash site is now free on live. as for kasumi who knows maybe well get something good out of her maybe not but ive said this lastnight id rather pay 5- 10 bucks for dlc instead of cigarettes and trust me as a smoker smokes are going up down the street from me there 9 bucks a pack
#137
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:21
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Let's see, another disposable team member with only one new skill and no customization. How about nothing.
#138
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:24
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It's highly unlikely that I'd buy that, but I'm not opposed to them charging for it.
It makes sense...It takes work to produce, even if it's already partially in the game so they deserve to be paid for their efforts.
It makes sense...It takes work to produce, even if it's already partially in the game so they deserve to be paid for their efforts.
#139
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:28
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I think 400-800 msp would be a fair amount, but that being said, me personally, am a Mass Effect ****, and as such would pay pretty much any price.
#140
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:34
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400-560MP sounds about right ... 800MP if its really (and I mean really) good.
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#142
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:52
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If it's not going to be on the Cerberus network then I would only pay 5 dollars for the DLC. I equate the value to how much content I got out of Zaeed. Though I like the character, the fact that I didn't have any interactive dialogue choices and only a loyalty mission to truly interact with him. If I had paid for that content for anything above 5 dollars I would have been very upset.
Personally I would rather pay 3 dollars for Kasumi, but 5 is as high as I will go.
Personally I would rather pay 3 dollars for Kasumi, but 5 is as high as I will go.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 10:24
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I keep wondering why people keep pointing to the fact that there's all kind of code and dialogue already in the game for Kasumi as a point of contention. I want all that crap on the DVDs ... I don't want to spend time downloading a gig of data so I can use the character. I want to download the least amount of stuff I can. I'm glad they did it this way.
As for price .. I'm hoping $5-10 max.
As for price .. I'm hoping $5-10 max.
#144
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 10:28
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I dont think I would be paying for her. I mean unless I am wrong she was supposed to be in the game originally and got "cut" at some point like Zaeed was and then they decided to "bring" her "back" for a DLC.
I would be rather insulted at having to pay for previously advertised content. I would happily pay for NEW content. Ie a whole new companion or new missions or whatever. Not for cut then uncut content.
I would be rather insulted at having to pay for previously advertised content. I would happily pay for NEW content. Ie a whole new companion or new missions or whatever. Not for cut then uncut content.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 10:34
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Manton-X2 wrote...
I keep wondering why people keep pointing to the fact that there's all kind of code and dialogue already in the game for Kasumi as a point of contention. I want all that crap on the DVDs ... I don't want to spend time downloading a gig of data so I can use the character. I want to download the least amount of stuff I can. I'm glad they did it this way.
As for price .. I'm hoping $5-10 max.
The point of contention is basically that you're paying to "unlock" (at least in part; I very highly doubt the stuff on the disk is usable) data that's already on the disk you payed for. An analogy: You buy a car. It has a radio built in. If you actually want to use that radio, you must pay the dealer more money to "unlock" that feature.
Of course, in the other Kasumi thread in Spoilers, a dev basically said that Kasumi is almost totally new and that the stuff on the disk is like the tip of the iceberg. Whether it's true or not, I can't say.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 11:00
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I think comparing it a car that comes with a XM or Sirius Radio may be a better example. Its there, the basic radio itself works just fine. If you want the "extra" stations, you have to pay to activate it.
#147
Posté 13 mars 2010 - 01:53
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yeah, after getting more info this is looking less and less compelling. i'll throw a buck into the Bioware tip jar.
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 02:15
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$5 - $10 is the standard "range" that I'd pay for DLC, depending on the quality and length of gameplay. From what we've been told about Kasumi's DLC so far? I'd say it's probably more towards the $5 range.
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 02:27
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I mean, give Kasumi a recruitment mish AND a loyalty mish and we'll start talking. Throw in a "chat-wheel"-esque interaction system and THEN let's bring up payment offers.
This. Love ME2, but didn't love Zaeed. If he hadn't been free (and I had played with him to know better,) I wouldn't have downloaded him.
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 05:29
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Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
Manton-X2 wrote...
I keep wondering why people keep pointing to the fact that there's all kind of code and dialogue already in the game for Kasumi as a point of contention. I want all that crap on the DVDs ... I don't want to spend time downloading a gig of data so I can use the character. I want to download the least amount of stuff I can. I'm glad they did it this way.
As for price .. I'm hoping $5-10 max.
The point of contention is basically that you're paying to "unlock" (at least in part; I very highly doubt the stuff on the disk is usable) data that's already on the disk you payed for. An analogy: You buy a car. It has a radio built in. If you actually want to use that radio, you must pay the dealer more money to "unlock" that feature.
Of course, in the other Kasumi thread in Spoilers, a dev basically said that Kasumi is almost totally new and that the stuff on the disk is like the tip of the iceberg. Whether it's true or not, I can't say.
You're not "unlocking" the character. Just because the voice data and the location where the character is going to be doesn't say it was a character that was cut or locked from the game. You may have a skeleton but you still need a nervous system, organs, muscles, brain, etc. Kasumi's foundation was laid out but not built upon.
If you wanted to pay to UNLOCK a character, just pick up a copy of Soul Calibur 4 and download Darth Vader on the 360. Now that is pure garbage that was intended to completely rip you off, because the character and information was all there. They just made you pay to unlock it. The Kasumi DLC however had no missions, no content, and nothing pre built except for the audio files, and possibly the mesh. There isn't even a locked door on the Normandy to suggest that she is there, it's just a door. If there was a permanently red locked door on the Normandy then she would be a character you are paying to 'unlock'.
