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[DKnightPortela]

javierabegazo wrote...

...What if she happened to be fully voiced like the rest of the squadmates, i.e. conversation enabled....?

That would be interesting... And PEARHAPS worthy of paying 5 bucks for but if not i wouldnt pay a dime.

[Iueno]

javierabegazo wrote...

...What if she happened to be fully voiced like the rest of the squadmates, i.e. conversation enabled....?

Then I'd happen to be one happy camper and gladly pay around 8-9 dollars. But any more just seems insulting, considering the game's original price and how much they're giving us

[Fraevar]

javierabegazo wrote...

...What if she happened to be fully voiced like the rest of the squadmates, i.e. conversation enabled....?

Still $7 tops. The only reason I considered $15 acceptable for Shale was because of the sheer size of DA:O and you literally got 30+ hours out of her. And that was even offered as a free incentive for new purchases. Basically, you got a lot more out of the character in DA:O since Shale had banter, party conversations, major sidequests and really felt integrated. As much as I hate to digress - size/complexity matters.

[exxxed]

What's the next step? Paying for patches?



Squad mates should be free cause they "interfere with the story", bonus content (key word BONUS) like missions and basically anything to do after you finish the game should be pay2play.



Ah well maybe that's why i'm the one paying and playing and not the one selling and collecting, i would have put it otherwise but i don't want to be rude and i love Bio but the latest comments from officials tend to get annoying, no quoting, some people might know what i'm talking about, too much fame gets to your head... eventually.



Cheers!

[DarthCaine]

javierabegazo wrote...

...What if she happened to be fully voiced like the rest of the squadmates, i.e. conversation enabled....?

That isn''t the case since IGN says she's just like Zaeed

[Blameless77]

I would pay 15. Honestly, they could probably demand more and I'd grudgingly pay it. I need more ME2!

[Korsriddare]

That would be nice, though the article gave the impression that her conversation 'choices' is similar to Zaeed's.

[MerinTB]

adriano_c wrote...

We know it will in all likelihood be a paid DLC (they are "discussing the price point currently"). Some are upset by this as portions of the content are already in-game, and it seems to have been cut. Others are steadfast in their willingness to support Bioware with their money. So...feel free to reply here and/or vote in the poll.

social.bioware.com/573503/polls/3210/

In my opinion, $5.00 would be a fair price.

"it seems to have been cut."

Yeah, that happens ALOT with video games.  And movies.  And tv show episodes.  And novels.  And any media.

You ever play a DVD and go to the "deleted scenes" section?  That's stuff that was cut, sometimes on purpose (movie makers didn't like it), sometimes because they didn't have time/money to finish it (usually special effects/animation), and sometimes because they need to get the length of the film shorter or the pacing at a different rate.

Now did you ever buy Dark City the Director's Cut, or Blade Runner the Final Cut, or all the different releases of the original trilogy of Star Wars, or the extended versions of Lord of the Rings?  If not (because the original theaterical release in the cheapie version was enough for you), ok, DLC seems like a rip-off to you.

Most video games end up with content that they were working on cut because the deadline was looming and it wasn't finished, or because some mechanic was screwing up the game overall and they decided to get the game working instead of making the new mechanic work, or whatever.  The decision was made to get the game out there, working to the best of their ability with a release date, and as such certain things the designers wanted in the game, stuff that may have already been partially integrated into the coding of the game, gets left on the cutting room floor to use a film term.

This was happening well before DLC.

Now that there's a financial model that lets the consumer get that extra content, finished and polished, if the consumer wants it, I'm very happy.  Not only does this mean we'll get more of the game as it was envisioned, but it also means game designers can be more ambitious with the understanding that not only is more profit down the road from DLC but also they can imagine a lot more content for their games and, hey, if it doesn't make ship date they don't have to have such painful "what should we cut" decisions and instead have "what, if cut, would not disrupt the full game release and yet make a great piece of DLC?"

I think that's awesome.  Sorry some people see that as some plot to cheat you of content that you were somehow "entitled" to from the get go.

How much would I pay for Kasumi?  Depends on how she compares to Zaeed.

I'd HAPPILY pay $12 for the fun Zaeed added to my game, especially on my replay.  So Kasumi, if roughly the same addition to the game, would get $12.  If Kasumi were more (a recruitment mission instead of just being picked up at a station with a little bit of dialog, interactive cut-scene discussions on the Normandy instead of click and get a piece of dialog, a romance) I may be willing to go up to $16 without complaint.
If Kasumi is the same as Zaeed, I'd stomach $15.  If she's more like I laid out, I'd tolerate $20.
If she's less (just another teammate on missions, almost no dialog, no loyalty mission or a very, very short one) then $6 is what I'd tolerate, and $4 is what I'd happily pay.

[RAIDENKUN]

E3 09 announced a ME2 with a Hammerhead and "dirty dozen" of squadmates. That's the ME2 I paid for. Kasumi should be free through the Cerberus Network to complete the game that is, by all accounts, unfinished due to a January release deadline. If character 13 shows up for release, then go ahead and set a price. But at least deliver what we paid for.

[Jose L. Uben]

400-600 MSP, 800 MSP is expensive for a character that should have already been in the game

[granattomten]

Will be reading what buyers think before purchasing this. I'm one of those not happy about buying what should've allready been a part of the game. This character is even in part still in the code.

Raidenkun wrote: "If character 13 shows up for release, then go ahead and set a price". My thoughts exactly.

At the very, very, very most $5 for this since it seems kind of sloppy to include her as they did with Zaeed. I got kind of sad when I noticed that you can only click him and get a couple of lines of dialogue. I want to interact with the crew.

[Michel1986]

People who would pay 12-15 dollars are crazy, if they create 5-6 dlc's and ask 10-15 dollars (for each) for it you can buy a complete new game for it. To chose between a full game or dlc's i personally would go for a full game because of the time you can play with it.

Modifié par Michel1986, 13 mars 2010 - 05:41 .

[grotestuary1]

400-560 M$ points. I could stand to miss a Big Mac meal.

[MerinTB]

Honestly, who are you people to decide "what should have already been in the game"?

What standard are you using? Is there some rule somewhere I don't know about? A precedence outside the one I listed (that games (and other media) have stuff cut out all the time.)

All of you complaining about "should have been in the game" and "paid for an incomplete game" - if you had never heard of Kasumi, would ME2 have seemed incomplete to you? Were you sitting there saying "Huh, I can really tell there should be another squadmate. This game is UNFINISHED!"

The sense of entitlement from some people.

"Hey, I bought this car, and the car was designed to take a CD player and air conditioning, but the dealer wants to charge me extra for WHAT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY COME WITH THE CAR!"

"Hey, I bought this computer, and the motherboard can clearly take add-on PCI cards, but the computer company wants to charge me extra for another video card that SHOULD HAVE ALREADY COME WITH THE COMPUTER!"

"Hey, I went to see Fellowship of the Rings, but the film cut out about a third of the way through the story. I know Lord of the Rings is one novel, but those greedy publishers broke it into 3 books and at the time I demanded to pay the price of one book but get all three as the story CLEARLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN ONE BOOK. As for the film, they want me to pay for two more tickets to see the whole film in three parts, and that SHOULD ALL BE IN THE PRICE OF ONE TICKET!"

"Hey, I was reading this comic book, but the issue ended with the story unfinished and then I read that the comic book company has the whole "12 issue" story arc planned out and even the first 4 issues completed. WTF?!? Why are they releasing an unfinished story?!?! That one issue wasn't complete!!!! We should at least have gotten all 4 finished parts for the price of one comic, and really they should wait until the whole thing is written and release it as one book, the scam artists!!! THE ENTIRE 12 ISSUE STORY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ONE COMIC AT THE PRICE OF ONE COMIC!!! I don't care how many more pages, how much more work went into it, the comics should all be a set price and the whole story should be released at ONCE!"

Really, people? Have you REALLY thought this entitlement, unfinished game CRAP through?

Modifié par MerinTB, 13 mars 2010 - 05:45 .

[javierabegazo]

MerinTB wrote...
-snip-

Thank you, thank you thank you These are my feelings exactly

[EternalWolfe]

MerinTB wrote...

Honestly, who are you people to decide "what should have already been in the game"?

What standard are you using? Is there some rule somewhere I don't know about? A precedence outside the one I listed (that games (and other media) have stuff cut out all the time.)

All of you complaining about "should have been in the game" and "paid for an incomplete game" - if you had never heard of Kasumi, would ME2 have seemed incomplete to you? Were you sitting there saying "Huh, I can really tell there should be another squadmate. This game is UNFINISHED!"

The sense of entitlement from some people.

"Hey, I bought this car, and the car was designed to take a CD player and air conditioning, but the dealer wants to charge me extra for WHAT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY COME WITH THE CAR!"

"Hey, I bought this computer, and the motherboard can clearly take add-on PCI cards, but the computer company wants to charge me extra for another video card that SHOULD HAVE ALREADY COME WITH THE COMPUTER!"

"Hey, I went to see Fellowship of the Rings, but the film cut out about a third of the way through the story. I know Lord of the Rings is one novel, but those greedy publishers broke it into 3 books and at the time I demanded to pay the price of one book but get all three as the story CLEARLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN ONE BOOK. As for the film, they want me to pay for two more tickets to see the whole film in three parts, and that SHOULD ALL BE IN THE PRICE OF ONE TICKET!"

"Hey, I was reading this comic book, but the issue ended with the story unfinished and then I read that the comic book company has the whole "12 issue" story arc planned out and even the first 4 issues completed. WTF?!? Why are they releasing an unfinished story?!?! That one issue wasn't complete!!!! We should at least have gotten all 4 finished parts for the price of one comic, and really they should wait until the whole thing is written and release it as one book, the scam artists!!! THE ENTIRE 12 ISSUE STORY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ONE COMIC AT THE PRICE OF ONE COMIC!!! I don't care how many more pages, how much more work went into it, the comics should all be a set price and the whole story should be released at ONCE!"

Really, people? Have you REALLY thought this entitlement, unfinished game CRAP through?

No, come on, how do you really feel about it?

I agree with you.  While everything is about money in the end, it doesn't mean that they decided, hey, lets screw over the customers.  For instance, one possiblity mentioned was time constraints.  Another likely possiblity is budget constraints.  Nothing is free in this world, someone has to pay.  I do admit I'd feel better about future DLC if Kasumi was free - then again, I'd feel better about future DLC if it all was free.



Note, I'm not saying they DIDN'T decide to just screw over their customers - but its not the only possibility.

Modifié par EternalWolfe, 13 mars 2010 - 05:59 .

[hwf]

There's a similar thread to this on the spoiler-rich forum.
Michael Gamble posted there as well where his most interesting quote would be "none of the kasumi content was cut from the game".

The Kasumi DLC seems identical in setup as the Zaeed DLC - so more then 2 hours worth of content is an optimistic estimation at best.
The comparison seems perfectly fair and balanced, since the comparison is to a pricetag of the full ME2 experience which includes character banter, character dialogue, loyalty missions and pickup missions.

When it comes to ME2's rough 40 hours worth of content for a pricetag of 50 US dollars, boiling down to $ 1.25 per hour, 100 Microsoft Points per hour or 80 Bioware Points per hour.

For Kasumi, it'd boil down to $ 2.50 or 200 MS points or 160 BW points.
And frankly, I'd rather not "pay" in "points" but rather just make the transaction on Steam using a Paypal account.

That said - I have never bought a DLC in my life.

Modifié par hwf, 13 mars 2010 - 07:09 .

[Unit-Alpha]

thedoncarnage wrote...

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

ya again $5 is fair based on what i hear the DLC entails, but if it is larger and comparable to Lookout point I could go as high as 1200.

If its more content than Zaeed think 400-500 microsoft points is pretty fair. If it's an expansion akin to Point Lookout for Fallout 3 then I'd be willing to bump to 800.

Anything over 800 is pretty steep though. It would need to be a really substantial hunk of software to justify it.

I've always been of the mindset that DLC should be priced about the same as movie tickets. If I get two hours of entertainment out of it, I'll pay $8.

Point Lookout is edging around 10 or so hours with tons of new content. You can't say 1.5 hours with 2 new weapons is even close. Lookout had DOZENS of new weapons/armor pieces so by that logic, it should be about 1-2 dollars. Considering they aren't even VAing Kasumi for more than a few lines, it should be less, like free. Lookout had at least one (or so) of extra VA'ed dialog.

[Bryy_Miller]

MerinTB wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

We know it will in all likelihood be a paid DLC (they are "discussing the price point currently"). Some are upset by this as portions of the content are already in-game, and it seems to have been cut. Others are steadfast in their willingness to support Bioware with their money. So...feel free to reply here and/or vote in the poll.

social.bioware.com/573503/polls/3210/

In my opinion, $5.00 would be a fair price.

"it seems to have been cut."

Yeah, that happens ALOT with video games.  And movies.  And tv show episodes.  And novels.  And any media.

You ever play a DVD and go to the "deleted scenes" section?  That's stuff that was cut, sometimes on purpose (movie makers didn't like it), sometimes because they didn't have time/money to finish it (usually special effects/animation), and sometimes because they need to get the length of the film shorter or the pacing at a different rate.

Now did you ever buy Dark City the Director's Cut, or Blade Runner the Final Cut, or all the different releases of the original trilogy of Star Wars, or the extended versions of Lord of the Rings?  If not (because the original theaterical release in the cheapie version was enough for you), ok, DLC seems like a rip-off to you.

Most video games end up with content that they were working on cut because the deadline was looming and it wasn't finished, or because some mechanic was screwing up the game overall and they decided to get the game working instead of making the new mechanic work, or whatever.  The decision was made to get the game out there, working to the best of their ability with a release date, and as such certain things the designers wanted in the game, stuff that may have already been partially integrated into the coding of the game, gets left on the cutting room floor to use a film term.

This was happening well before DLC.

Now that there's a financial model that lets the consumer get that extra content, finished and polished, if the consumer wants it, I'm very happy.  Not only does this mean we'll get more of the game as it was envisioned, but it also means game designers can be more ambitious with the understanding that not only is more profit down the road from DLC but also they can imagine a lot more content for their games and, hey, if it doesn't make ship date they don't have to have such painful "what should we cut" decisions and instead have "what, if cut, would not disrupt the full game release and yet make a great piece of DLC?"

I think that's awesome.  Sorry some people see that as some plot to cheat you of content that you were somehow "entitled" to from the get go.

How much would I pay for Kasumi?  Depends on how she compares to Zaeed.

I'd HAPPILY pay $12 for the fun Zaeed added to my game, especially on my replay.  So Kasumi, if roughly the same addition to the game, would get $12.  If Kasumi were more (a recruitment mission instead of just being picked up at a station with a little bit of dialog, interactive cut-scene discussions on the Normandy instead of click and get a piece of dialog, a romance) I may be willing to go up to $16 without complaint.
If Kasumi is the same as Zaeed, I'd stomach $15.  If she's more like I laid out, I'd tolerate $20.
If she's less (just another teammate on missions, almost no dialog, no loyalty mission or a very, very short one) then $6 is what I'd tolerate, and $4 is what I'd happily pay.

You are awesome.

[danielassault]

For those that didn't follow. This DLC will bring:

-Kasumi + special skill

-Loyalty mission

-Kasumi interacts with your squad

-New SMG

-New skill

[GothamLord]

Sadly everyone seems to only stuck on the hour and a half mission and forget that shes playable through the entire game, the skill, the weapon, etc.

[TJSolo]

GothamLord wrote...

Sadly everyone seems to only stuck on the hour and a half mission and forget that shes playable through the entire game, the skill, the weapon, etc.

60-90min is the base factor, game content is weighted with some estimated time. Which can be increased through some variable of multiple plays. Of course how many plays is the question but it is unreliable to give a solid number.

So just working with the base factor(Time) the value is concieved without including a playthrough variable.

[incinerator950]

GothamLord wrote...

Sadly everyone seems to only stuck on the hour and a half mission and forget that shes playable through the entire game, the skill, the weapon, etc.

If it's one mission, factor in a half hour to an hour.  Factor in a skill that's actually worth having, or a skill no one will care about.

Then the new SMG, is it actually an upgrade to the Tempest, or a bastardized hybrid between the current two SMGs.

Factor in Shale like character conversation, or Zaeed like conversation.  Zaeed was factored in to missions, side banter, and only click dialogues instead of the wheel of talk that a lot of people cried about.  (still had alot of dialogue)

Shale like addin for major quest upgrades, Major consequences, major complaints and banter throughout the game, and a wonderful experience.

I'm not jumping for joy, but I'd consider buying it if I bought 2000 MS points to spend, and I would be doing multiple things, like my name fix, or the RtO DLC for DA:O.  However, one side character, with one gun, and a bonus power and maby an hour of gameplay, is not going to make me rush out and spend the money to get points to purchase this upgrade.  

[GothamLord]

My statement is just that when most people, not all, but most people complain about the DLC having a price tag they say they are only getting 1.5 hrs of game content added. This isnt true. I dont agrue with the Zaeed like conversation or if the skills are worth having or not. Just that people need to actually argue their points properly.

[Braag]

5 bucks.... unfortunately I have a feeling it will be 10