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[GothamLord]

Dont know why you have a feeling it'll be 10. The price has already been announced.

[incinerator950]

GothamLord wrote...

My statement is just that when most people, not all, but most people complain about the DLC having a price tag they say they are only getting 1.5 hrs of game content added. This isnt true. I dont agrue with the Zaeed like conversation or if the skills are worth having or not. Just that people need to actually argue their points properly.

Fable Two DLC lasted a good hour and a half, Dragon Age DLC missions all under 40 minutes Each.

Oblivion side missions less than a half hour, with Shivering Isles taking a few hours depending on play style and if you're bum rushing the game. 

Mass Effect One Pinnacle Station shouldn't have taken less than an hour (for grace time), unless you weren't minmaxing your class and you were on Insanity or such. 

Bring Down the sky is also Ruffly an hour long, shorter if you're on easier difficulties and you're bum rushing it.

I can go find other games and list more times it generally takes to process out of, not counting Weapons upgrades or DLC characters that stay.

[Meta-Scourge]

2-500

[MerinTB]

blackrhubarb 2.0 wrote...

Compared to General Knoxx Borderlands DLC for 800 points and Portal for 1200, I wouldn't pay anything for Kasumi.

That's cool - I've turned down playing Borderlands and Portal for free.

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The whole $/hour crap isn't ever going to die, either, is it?

Do you people pick up your novels you buy, do a page count, and decide that since you paid $7 for a paperback with 800 pages that you'l never buy a paperback with 400 pages for $7 as you're being "ripped off"?

Really?

[TJSolo]

MerinTB wrote...

blackrhubarb 2.0 wrote...

Compared to General Knoxx Borderlands DLC for 800 points and Portal for 1200, I wouldn't pay anything for Kasumi.

That's cool - I've turned down playing Borderlands and Portal for free.

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The whole $/hour crap isn't ever going to die, either, is it?

Do you people pick up your novels you buy, do a page count, and decide that since you paid $7 for a paperback with 800 pages that you'l never buy a paperback with 400 pages for $7 as you're being "ripped off"?

Really?

Let's see. If the norm is about 800 pages for $7 and an abnormal book hits shelves for the same price but half the quantity.
It will raise my eyebrow and make me question why it is half the quantity for the same price.
For such a book the synopsis would have to really captivate me or some reviews would have to prove it has the quality to justify being half the normal product.

[SaltyWound]

I'd like to pay 5 dollars, but I'll go as high as 10. But I won't be happy about it!

[GothamLord]

The better written one of course. So what happens when I buy a 800 pg book that's utter tripe compared to a 300 pg book that's well written?? Worth vs length is subjective.

[TJSolo]

GothamLord wrote...

The better written one of course. So what happens when I buy a 800 pg book that's utter tripe compared to a 300 pg book that's well written?? Worth vs length is subjective.

You would have to buy both to even form that judgement.

[MerinTB]

TJSolo wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

blackrhubarb 2.0 wrote...

Compared to General Knoxx Borderlands DLC for 800 points and Portal for 1200, I wouldn't pay anything for Kasumi.

That's cool - I've turned down playing Borderlands and Portal for free.

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The whole $/hour crap isn't ever going to die, either, is it?

Do you people pick up your novels you buy, do a page count, and decide that since you paid $7 for a paperback with 800 pages that you'l never buy a paperback with 400 pages for $7 as you're being "ripped off"?

Really?

Let's see. If the norm is about 800 pages for $7 and an abnormal book hits shelves for the same price but half the quantity.
It will raise my eyebrow and make me question why it is half the quantity for the same price.
For such a book the synopsis would have to really captivate me or some reviews would have to prove it has the quality to justify being half the normal product.

You don't buy a lot of books, do you?

Page count has very little to do with pricing (at extreme ends, yes, much longer books cost a little more and much shorter books cost a little less, but there's no price-per-page way to track that.)  People buy books based on author, subject matter, if it sounds cool - not on page count.

Page count as whether a book is worth the price or not.  Wow.  I thought that was going to be an obvious example.

NM.

Go on and judge your game quality and novel quality based on length as if it was a twine or wood.  And remember that half hour tv shows suck compared to hour tv shows, that paying  the same ticket price for a 90 minute movie that you paid for a 150 minute movie means you are being ripped off - only see longer movies!!!

I'm at a loss for words.

[TJSolo]

MerinTB wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

blackrhubarb 2.0 wrote...

Compared to General Knoxx Borderlands DLC for 800 points and Portal for 1200, I wouldn't pay anything for Kasumi.

That's cool - I've turned down playing Borderlands and Portal for free.

---

The whole $/hour crap isn't ever going to die, either, is it?

Do you people pick up your novels you buy, do a page count, and decide that since you paid $7 for a paperback with 800 pages that you'l never buy a paperback with 400 pages for $7 as you're being "ripped off"?

Really?

Let's see. If the norm is about 800 pages for $7 and an abnormal book hits shelves for the same price but half the quantity.
It will raise my eyebrow and make me question why it is half the quantity for the same price.
For such a book the synopsis would have to really captivate me or some reviews would have to prove it has the quality to justify being half the normal product.

You don't buy a lot of books, do you?

Page count has very little to do with pricing (at extreme ends, yes, much longer books cost a little more and much shorter books cost a little less, but there's no price-per-page way to track that.)  People buy books based on author, subject matter, if it sounds cool - not on page count.

Page count as whether a book is worth the price or not.  Wow.  I thought that was going to be an obvious example.

NM.

Go on and judge your game quality and novel quality based on length as if it was a twine or wood.  And remember that half hour tv shows suck compared to hour tv shows, that paying  the same ticket price for a 90 minute movie that you paid for a 150 minute movie means you are being ripped off - only see longer movies!!!

I'm at a loss for words.

Well I was just sticking with your hyperbole.
Of course there are way more factors in pricing then just page count but for sake of your hyperbole I thought you were just going to stick with page count. Also try to stick to comparing apples to apples. A 90min made for TV movie isn't even in the same league as a 90min feature film.

If I want to see a movie the ticket will be $10 regardless of the movie being a number 1 at the box office or number 101. Quality and enjoyment will be subjective.

If I want to go and buy a new game for the 360. The price will be $59 for most new titles, leaving me to judge if the quality was worth it.

The price of Kasumi looks more to be a test of how much can they really charge.
As for the amount of content is in the area of Zaeed.
The aesthetics such as art and a mission to Earth are nice but are just aesthetics.
If EA Bioware want to be in the business of selling aesthetics then they should try auctioning their items at Christie's.

[We Tigers]

I rarely use Zaeed on missions mostly because I feel like he's half a character at best.  You don't have to undertake any effort to find him, and the lack of conversation options makes him feel like a 5th wheel (err, 11th wheel?).  He's got some good stories and good comments from mission to mission, but the character never created that much interest for me.  As it sounds like Kasumi will be the same way, I probably won't pay for her unless 1) the new SMG is particularly cool,  2) the mission is actually legitimately the advertised length, and 3) she's fully animated for conversations.

Bioware has done well with the free DLC so far and I really can't complain about what they've provided and plan to provide us gratis.  I have high hopes for the Firewalker pack, but paying for another only partly-realized character just isn't my speed.  I'd be more interested in paying for content like BDTS rather than new half-characters, and I'd be extremely interested in paying for content that was developed with all the teammates in mind--i.e., if I take Mordin and Grunt on the mission, Mordin and Grunt have bits of animated dialogue during the conversation parts the way characters currently interject when you're in conversation segments.  Of course, that's a lot more complicated than a loyalty mission with only one major speaking part, given all the branching paths and new voicework you'd have to record.  I doubt you're going to get the entire teammate cast, Seth Green, and Tricia Helfer back in a room for a minute of dialogue each.

Modifié par We Tigers, 14 mars 2010 - 01:44 .

[adriano_c]

TJSolo wrote...

The price of Kasumi looks more to be a test of how much can they really charge.

This is it, basically.

Finding that sweet spot wherein they can tag DLC (regardless of its quality or necessary value) with the highest price that a good amount of people will pay. Business, nothing more.

It's somewhat interesting to see the polarized reactions from the fans, in any event. In all cases, it seems to me, that because Bioware creates these really engrossing and endearing games, a lot of their consumers regard them with a sense of familiarity, almost friendliness. They think of them as "good guys", more so than they might treat McDonald's or whatever. Hence the strong response, I guess. Some might feel their "friends" are putting one over on them with paid DLC (the value of which I'll touch on in a second), while others want to pledge some sort of undying support.

Anyway, concerning the DLC itself.

I think those bashing the whole "dollars per hour of entertainment" notion are being a bit overzealous. Sure it's not exactly the cleverest way of expressing (what I think the real) sentiment is, but it's more or less there. It's really just a matter of proportionate value, using the retail "stock" game as a measuring stick.

$50-60 for an entire game (30-40 hours of playtime, 10 (+1) interactive recruits to get to know, 40 or so missions, and a whole gamut of emotions, thrills and entertainment).

7$ for a half-way interactive character. An SMG. An extra mission. The last of which may be of questionable quality, especially in light of Bioware's recent track record with paid DLC so far (Watcher's Keep and Return to Ostagar, both of which I bought, and both of which have received considerable flak from purchasers).

It just doesn't feel reasonable in comparison, but whatever. The logic, unfortunately, I think, is "Hey, it's only $7 bucks, you could do a lot worse, so you might as well give it to us."

[DarknessBear]

400 points $5 is a good deal. Although I think Kasumi should be free and the Hammerhead should be 400points.

[CmonCmon]

GothamLord wrote...

My statement is just that when most people, not all, but most people complain about the DLC having a price tag they say they are only getting 1.5 hrs of game content added. This isnt true. I dont agrue with the Zaeed like conversation or if the skills are worth having or not. Just that people need to actually argue their points properly.

But it is true. Most people have completed the game at this point and that would be the sole mission to do,I didn't even have a place to even fire off the free shotgun when that came out. She's useless to 3/5 of my characters because I'm done with them. I waited for her with one of the other two and the other character I just hadn't planned to have but ended up with anyway. I also expect that it'll be nowhere near 1.5 hrs. We also have no idea if she's even a good party member/if her abilities are even useful. Could be another Jacob. We already know she's pretty much useless to talk to.

Should be part of the Network,especially when there's people that paid $15 for it.
Has to be paid it should be $3 as a lot of it is already on the disc.
$5 is understandable but kinda pushing it.
Anything more is ridiculous,it's near my bday so someone else will be paying for it in that case.

[GothamLord]

Anyone that had to pay for the Cerberus Network got the game used. Bioware/EA got no money from them outside of purchasing the network. BioWare/EA lost money from them. They have a right to try and make a profit back from those players too. I don't think 7 is a great price, it was the max I said id spend. But with EA attached you know they are milking eveything. It would have probably been 5 or even 3 had they not become big brother.

[eternalnightmare13]

5-10 bucks US. The mission sounds very interesting, a new smg, and a new character to use in other missions is what interest me. It sounds like a good mix of rp and combat. I don't care about LI and I don't mind just hearing her tell stories.Given that there was that reference to her dlc making femsheps very happy I'm speculating there'll be an optional casual outfit for use on the Normandy or maybe a new hairstyle.  That'd be an added bonus if it applies to both genders.  If not no huge loss since I already like my custom Sheps.

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 14 mars 2010 - 03:34 .

[Tazzmission]

well it sounds like 7 is the lucky #. i wouldnt mind throwing 7 bucks at this dlc... beats smoking seeing as im trying to quit

[RAIDENKUN]

$1.50, $3, $5, $7, $10. Really it's all the same price - within the threshold of what people are willing to spend without a second thought. This effect is amplified when you consider 340 MS Points versus 500 or 780 MS points. What's the difference? It's all under $10 so who cares. The problem as I see it is that for one time, $5 is no big deal. But based on the frequency of the micro-transactions stemming from the Cerberus Network I fear that a trend of paid DLC could cause a considerable investment into extra content. Are we going to be expected to pay $5 for every Normandy crash site-type level from here on out? Every upgraded shotgun, nifty heavy weapon, helmet-clad armor? Especially considering Kasumi was planned for ME2 from the start, it really ought to be free for all Cerberus Network owners. Reward the loyal fan base that purchased a new copy and within the first few months of release. It's too early to start nickle-and-diming us without facing some unfavorable opinions. I think that's why the Kasumi pricing topic is such a divisive issue.

[wrexfan32hanalei]

the only dlc I'd be willing to pay for involves a certain krogan chief named wrex.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

I don't know. I expected to pay for the Hammerhead because I figure it would be a decent amout of content, but for a squadmate that was supposed to have been in the game originally but was cut because EA rushed them to release the game? Hmmmm... as much as I like Zaeed, I wouldn't have paid for single extra mission. 

[Newcomer11294]

if kasumi is going to be similar to Zaeed, around 5-10 dollars tops. I love bioware, but there's a limit to what i'm going to pay for a single follower.