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The Joining in Awakening

Débuté par Guest_Jack Anvil_* , mars 12 2010 05:48

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 05:48

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I just read somewhere that some of our party members may die if we choose to put them through the Joining in Awakening. It's gives us a chance to experience the world through Duncan's eyes--the duty he had to seek out the best and brightest to repel the darkspawn, and the remorse he felt for those who did not survive.

The only questions are: which of our party members will die in the Joining, and whose lives aren't you willing to risk in the ritual?

Anders
Velanna
Mhairi
Oghren
Sigrun
Nathaniel
(Justice is already dead)

Guesses?

Modifié par Jack Anvil, 12 mars 2010 - 06:02 .

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TeamRyan
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 05:55

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Mhairi seems like the easy choice to die because of the joining.

I only say this because she seems too eager to become a grey

warden, and would be the obvious choice or easiest to get to

go through with the process. i figure it's like easy come easy go.

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BohemundI
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:01

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Did the developers really confirm this? Kinda spoiler-ish if they did so right? Anyway I am not blaming anyone in this thread, I'll just refrain from visiting any forums (even the ones without the spoiler tag) from now on.

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:03

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It is confirmed by Fernando Melo, and it's fairly evident, I would think. Wardens are few, after all, and you play as the Warden Commander, tasked with rebuilding the Warden population in Ferelden.

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Rock N Roll Joe
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:07

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This is vary intersting if they don't decide to kill off one of the 2 new mages since chances are Wane (if she hasn't died yet) could be available to join you.



That makes me think if she is available that wouldn't she also have a choise to be in the joining?



It's not like she has much time left right?

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:12

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Rock N Roll Joe wrote...

This is vary intersting if they don't decide to kill off one of the 2 new mages since chances are Wane (if she hasn't died yet) could be available to join you.

That makes me think if she is available that wouldn't she also have a choise to be in the joining?

It's not like she has much time left right?


The party members in Awakening, unless they pull another "secret companion" thing, are listed in my OP.

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:14

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Jack Anvil wrote...

The party members in Awakening, unless they pull another "secret companion" thing, are listed in my OP.


I'd like to hear your opinion.

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EmperorSahlertz
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:24

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Perhaps they give all party members an 80/20 chance of survival and then just make it random for every playthrough. Great replayability and boy must it suck if your whole party just died ;)

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:29

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TeamRyan wrote...

Mhairi seems like the easy choice to die because of the joining.
I only say this because she seems too eager to become a grey
warden, and would be the obvious choice or easiest to get to
go through with the process. i figure it's like easy come easy go.

Now that would be ironic, and very sadly so.

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Sparrow475
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:32

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Perhaps they give all party members an 80/20 chance of survival and then just make it random for every playthrough. Great replayability and boy must it suck if your whole party just died ;)


-Player: "These are the best hope we have to make it through the Joining, they're the strongest people in all of Thedas. They are our last hope."

*everyone dies*

-Architect: "lol, Pwned."

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TeamRyan
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:37

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Yeah, so far out of all the characters I like her the best so I'm hoping I'm terribly wrong.

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UnAffectedFiddle
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 07:05

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I bet if you do their loyalty missions they survive the suicide mission...

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 07:13

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TeamRyan wrote...

Jack Anvil wrote...

The party members in Awakening, unless they pull another "secret companion" thing, are listed in my OP.


I'd like to hear your opinion.


Anders is a survivor, methinks. He is a fast favorite of the community, and is the comic relief, much like Alistair in Origins. Putting him through the Joining would be in his best interest, as he is an apostate mage, and life as anything other than a Grey Warden would be tumultuous for him, as he is constantly on the run from Templars. There really is only one option for Anders.

Oghren is a familiar character from Origins, one that helps us settle into our new party, whether we got to know him or not. The fact that they chose Oghren rather than Zevran, Leliana, Morrigan, Wynne (who makes a cameo) or Alistair says a lot. Oghren is easily the least popular character (I've never seen a "Team Oghren") and we would not expect such a stout character to die. That is why I think he will die in the Joining. The dwarf who can drink anything dies from a drink. An ironic death, and unexpected.

Nathaniel Howe is a controversial character because of his lineage, but he said his grandfather was a Warden, and I expect him to survive, despite the rocky relationship he may have with the player character over the murder of Rendon Howe. 

The rest are a toss-up, really.

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Karlojey
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 07:43

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OGHREN CAN BECOME A WARDEN?!



Hehe it's a nice plot, but it's TOO similar to ME2 (spoilers withheld).

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Dark_Ansem
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:01

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I'm not sure about it. they could very well die from the blood. and perhaps there's a moment, in-game where having put them trough the joining or not will make a difference!

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:04

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I doubt Oghren will die as in the last game he covered himself in darkspawn blood and never went mad or anything. I hope Anders or Velanna dont die. My party plans rely on having them.

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Keithhy
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:08

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The idea of people dying during the joining is kind of obsolete, in that we have save-games and whatnot. Perhaps the game might spring the decision on us after a long and arduous sequence of events during which saving is disabled, so as to discourage "cheating."

Honestly, if your favorite party member dies in the joining, are you really going to let them go? No? Exactly. The experience breaks the immersion, if you see what I'm getting at.

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:11

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Yeah it breaks the immersion but so does:

"This ritual is very dangerous and could kill you"

5 minutes later

"Oh, look everyone survived how fortunate this dangerous lethal ritual didnt kill you"

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Keithhy
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:19

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Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Yeah it breaks the immersion but so does:
"This ritual is very dangerous and could kill you"
5 minutes later
"Oh, look everyone survived how fortunate this dangerous lethal ritual didnt kill you"

Haha, it looks like, either way, Bioware's dug themselves into a hole. At least if you reload a save though, it's your fault, not theirs.

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Laurento
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:21

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Bad decision IMO, firstly what is the benefit of putting them through the Joining? Just to ge somet badge saying Grey Warden? Last time I completed the Joining all I got was a lousy stat point and talent, no special Warden perks or anything.

Secondly if the characters who die are predetermined from the start, the majority of players will just neglect them and focus on party members who will actually survive.

And finally, party dynamics may change dramatically, what if Anders dies halfway through and you've bareld used Velanna and her spells suck? Or you could end up with no rogues or no mages etc.

Modifié par Laurento, 12 mars 2010 - 08:23 .

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Keithhy
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:34

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Probably going to end up with a set of loyalty missions like ME2, that will determine whether or not these people survive. Can't say it's the best system, but at least it would mean that the characters you put time into stay alive!

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ArmyJuan
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:41

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i hope the joining would have a choice like wut duncan did to sir jory at our joining or else they will tell other people or u could choose to let him run :P

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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 08:47

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Keithhy wrote...

Probably going to end up with a set of loyalty missions like ME2, that will determine whether or not these people survive. Can't say it's the best system, but at least it would mean that the characters you put time into stay alive!


This is what I was thinking as well, completing their personal quests having a good approval rating etc. would improve their chances of survival.

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Default137
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:22

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Sadly, unlike Duncan, we have the power of the mighty Save button.



What I'd really like to see is for many of the ones who have a very high chance of dying, that they are the ones who really want to become Wardens, and will get the most angry at you for not giving them the chance, that way if Mhari can't survive the Joining, she will be super pissed at you for not giving her the chance, and will lose a ton of approval/hate you if you don't let her join, which presents a moral dilemma, let her go through the Joining and die, or keep her and make her hate you.

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Spitz6860
Posté 12 mars 2010 - 09:37

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i think anyone may live or die in the joining, depends on what you do in the game
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