deathscythe517 wrote...
If it isn't an Expy its at the least very very very very painfully similar and it kind of makes me depressed how such a corrupt and hypocritical church could take control of most of the known world, they suppressed the Dalish simply because they worshipped nature spirits (so help me god if you call them pagan gods i'll smack you).
Much like in the real world, there were mitigating circumstances for the invasion of the Dales. The whole preserving the Maker against the Dailish infidels is probably what they told the masses--the people who would be fighting and dying, and those related to them--to placate them.
deathscythe517 wrote...
And the Tevinter Imperium is rotten to the core but at the least they didn't try to bull**** their followers and everyone else in existence on what they're about. 'Hey is it alright if we worship dragons? No? Fook roo!' maybe not the most sociable but atleast brutally honest.
I think you mean 'was'. Tevinter worships the Maker. Also, I imagine it's easier for the peasant class to worship something they can see. After all, dragons are bad ass and they taught humans magic and the mages wield magic enough to...you get the point. It's also likely that Tevinter didn't give a rat's ass about what gods who worshipped, as long as you paid your tithes.
deathscythe517 wrote...
The Qunari however I have no justification for as that was just normal war, Qunari invade, natives retaliate: simple as that.
Well, I imagine that in most 'normal' wars, you don't get wholesale slaughtered if you don't accept your invaders' entirely alien and unknown religion. Personally, I hope Thedas finishes them off one day, because I find them repulsive.
deathscythe517 wrote...
And don't get me started on how they demonize every mage in existence wholely, Morrigan may grate my nerves as much as she calms me, but she has one point.
This is most likely a consolodation of their power. By blaming every wrongdoing in existence on the 'mages' (Who ruled Tevinter again?), they exonerate the 'normal' folk of their responsibilities. It also gives the Church a convenient hook to keep a firm control on the most powerful force on the face of Thedas, as well as keep their own personal army.
urvashi wrote...
The Chantry is pretty hard on mages. But in comparison to what the real life Medieval church did to 'witches', heretics and other non-believers, the Chantry seems pretty mild.
Mostly because if you torture and ravage a mage enough, she'll slip into unconciousness and be too weak to fight off Fade spirits. Also, many mages are actually devoteers of Andraste (or don't really care, etc) so, really, there really isn't any point for all the 'tests' that the Catholic (and beyond) Church used to punish, convince, or root out witches and the like. Either you have a runaway mage who's not a maleficar, or you have a maleficar. In the former case, if she resists too much, you kill her. In the latter? Kill it.
ClonePatrol wrote...
About the Dalish, I remember piecing together from Codex, and items and such, that they weren't entirely innocent, In the second Blight the Dales refused to send aid to fight off the Darkspawn, in addition to repeatedly expelling the Chantry missionaries and other humans who went there. To top it off after the Blight ended, some of the Dalish finally got fed up with the humans sending people over and harrassing them all the time and attacked a small village, still weak from the blight. This pissed off the Chantry (still mad about the lack of aid during the blight) who then declared an Exalted March, and proceeded to take things way, way to far. The relationship between humans and elves seems to be one of payback, and then some.
You missed the part where there was a war between the Dailish and a coalition of (Andraste) nations. The Dailish were actually wiping the floor with them, and then the Chantry called the Exalted March. Personally, I think it was total crap--the Chantry was simply attempting to preserve its powerbase in those nations.
Whoever started the war in the first place between the humans or elves is a little murky, but since the Dailish didn't take part in the Blight, they probably suffered the least of it. Until recently, Blights ravaged entire countries, and to stop them, it really took a massive amount of effort to beat it back. The Dailish probably looked like a juicey target that the other human nations could simply beat down and steal their wealth to recoup their losses in the Blight.
Abyss Vixen wrote...
The Tevinter Imperium part of the Urn of Sacred ash's showed how well games can take history and convert it to make it there own, The fact they accepted the chantry after executed the prophet pretty much summed up rome accepting christianty some time after jesus' death and then writing the first bible in order to keep rome united. I loved the simularities in that.
The Tevinter Imperium didn't accept the Chantry--they made their own! They are ruled over by the Black Divine and male priests, instead of the Orlesian and Ferelden Divine and her Holy Mothers. After all, you can't really expect Tevinter to accept the religion that completely demonizes them and those in power to actually keep their power.
In fact, there will most likely be a religious war waged in the future between those two factions, because Tevinter's Black Divine seems like a real ass.
@People who say mages are dangers to themselves and others, they deserve the Chantry, etc.
Firstly, the Chantry's simple existance most like exponentially increases the number of maleficar and abominations. The Tevinter Imperium, despite having so many mages and blood mages, didn't implode from an angry tide of Fade Spirits. In fact, they'd still control the world if the First Blight didn't weaken them so.
*spoilers for DA:O Redcliffe and Circle Tower*
Let's take the events in Redcliffe as an example. Sure, when Connor became half-possessed, he surely caused a lot of grief. However, if the Chantry hadn't made ridiculous laws about immediately taking the child away, never allowing any contact with parents, and on top of that, not allowing any mage to actually inheiret anything, Isolde would not have tried to protect Connor the way she did, which resulted in the chain of events.
The blood mage wasn't even a complete jerk. He just wanted to live with his girlfriend. Even taking into account all the events of the Mage Origin would happen if there weren't a Chantry, if there weren't any Templars actively hunting down the Blood Mage, it's doubtful he would have helped Loghain. I can't really blame him, either, since his options were death, Loghain, or being turned Tranquil.
And Uldred was also a jerk, but the whole reason he pulled his coup is that Loghain promised his support for the Circle against the Chantry.
*End Spoilers*
So you see, it's not so black and white. I'm sure the Chantry does great good at the individual level. But as a whole, well, it's massive debateable (which we're doing now, I suppose).
However, it would be hilarious beyond measure if Andraste turned out to be a mage.
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And I agree, it'd be pretty amusing.
