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[kingthrall]

I dont need to win any argument, its not even a argument because there is no logical argument to make agaist what i have said.

[Presentdent]

Oh, and to address China.. They did fine, did they? Well, allow me to go Christian on your ass, if you'll let me, despite being largely Buddhist with some warm feelings towards Jesus and Moses.

Though let's start first with Tauistic/Confuscianistic/Buddhist China getting conquered by pagan mongols who then convert to Islam, in the west. Fun, eh?

Anyway, Great Britain, a CHRISTIAN, protestant nation, owns India. Using Indian land, they pump opium into China, degrading their society, and weakening the country. The CHRISTIAN nation then takes control of Hong Kong, as well as other Chinese cities, China soon being divided up among European powers, not as an official colony, but as a puppet nation.

Fastforward a number of years, and there's a Communist revolution that results, today, in the uplifting of their economy, and the degradation of their people, treated as resources and used for the benefit of the government, often 'dissapearing' when they disagree. Yeah, China turned out fine.

[Ahisgewaya]

I meant ancient china, before christianity got anywhere near it. If we're going to jump around the timestream, I think I'll bring up a nice little period called the DARK AGES. You know, when your CHRISTIAN england was busy not bathing and burning witches. Oh, and the church was in control of most of europe. Yep your "world religion" sure bring out the best in people don't they?

Modifié par Ahisgewaya, 14 mars 2010 - 06:03 .

[kingthrall]

I dont deny religion has a huge part to play with that Presentdent. What I am argueing which you should understand is that Relgion itself shoudnt be at fault for providing fundemental beliefs.



It is human actions that make religion look bad, and by blaming the words of a book is like blaming the gun insted of the man behind it.

[Ahisgewaya]

Except that the book in question says "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" and "conquer the earth and subdue it" long before it says "love thy neighbor"

[kingthrall]

your arguing somthing that in every human nation wants to do anyway regardless of religion. Only difference is that its written on black and white paper.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ahisgewaya wrote...

I meant ancient china, before christianity got anywhere near it. If we're going to jump around the timestream, I think I'll bring up a nice little period called the DARK AGES. You know, when your CHRISTIAN england was busy not bathing and burning witches. Oh, and the church was in control of most of europe. Yep your "world religion" sure bring out the best in people don't they?

And yet at the same time, Islam brought about the Golden age that many regard as one of the greatest periods of human history in terms of scientific discovery, law, culture, literature, art, tolerance, trade, inventions that surpasses that of Rome. So here you have a world religion that did bring out the best in people in the past.
To suggest that they cannot is very ahistorical. 

This thread is getting even more idiotic. I wonder why it isn't closed yet.  


 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mars 2010 - 06:14 .

[Presentdent]

I was hoping you'd bring up the Dark Ages.

During the Dark Ages, reading and writing were largely the role of the church and it's monks. Without the Church, during the Dark Ages, all the ideals and theories of the Greeks and the Romans and those that came before would have been lost. Thanks to the Monks that copied scroll after scroll for posterity, all that ancient, information survived. So, let's thank the world religion, huh? And it's not -my- world religion. I'm largely Buddhist, with some Judaeo-Christian overtones. Don' see reincarnation in the Bible, do ya? It's all depressing Hellfire stuff.

[Ahisgewaya]

What a funny thing to say. I assure you I have no desire whatsoever to "conquer the earth and subdue it". The guy who wrote your book seems to though.....

[KnightofPhoenix]

Presentdent wrote...

I was hoping you'd bring up the Dark Ages.

During the Dark Ages, reading and writing were largely the role of the church and it's monks. Without the Church, during the Dark Ages, all the ideals and theories of the Greeks and the Romans and those that came before would have been lost. Thanks to the Monks that copied scroll after scroll for posterity, all that ancient, information survived. So, let's thank the world religion, huh? And it's not -my- world religion. I'm largely Buddhist, with some Judaeo-Christian overtones. Don' see reincarnation in the Bible, do ya? It's all depressing Hellfire stuff.

No, it was the Arab Muslims who preserved them and translated them, and then transmitted them to Europe.

[Ahisgewaya]

Presentdent wrote...

I was hoping you'd bring up the Dark Ages.

During the Dark Ages, reading and writing were largely the role of the church and it's monks. Without the Church, during the Dark Ages, all the ideals and theories of the Greeks and the Romans and those that came before would have been lost. Thanks to the Monks that copied scroll after scroll for posterity, all that ancient, information survived. So, let's thank the world religion, huh? And it's not -my- world religion. I'm largely Buddhist, with some Judaeo-Christian overtones. Don' see reincarnation in the Bible, do ya? It's all depressing Hellfire stuff.

Except you forgot that they also suppressed the education of the serf, cheifly through sermons about one's "place in life". I do agree though, Hellfire is a stupid concept. Torturing someone for eternity because they don't agree with you.

[Ahisgewaya]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Presentdent wrote...

I was hoping you'd bring up the Dark Ages.

During the Dark Ages, reading and writing were largely the role of the church and it's monks. Without the Church, during the Dark Ages, all the ideals and theories of the Greeks and the Romans and those that came before would have been lost. Thanks to the Monks that copied scroll after scroll for posterity, all that ancient, information survived. So, let's thank the world religion, huh? And it's not -my- world religion. I'm largely Buddhist, with some Judaeo-Christian overtones. Don' see reincarnation in the Bible, do ya? It's all depressing Hellfire stuff.

No, it was the Arab Muslims who preserved them and translated them, and then transmitted them to Europe.

There's also that.

[kingthrall]

That is exactly what i was trying to argue presedent and ive been told im a fanatic. Also Ahisgewaya i do not belive in any relgion i am athiest but ive still read and studied relgion, history and philosophy in my own spare time. It has taught me to respect religion for what it provided regardless of all the bad things that you and others assume was religions fault. Its like asking you to jump off a cliff because i say so. Dont blame me for your own right to accept my knowledge to jump off a cliff ie the same thing as religion and wars.

As for you not wanting to conquer the earth, it is more directed at those with a little more power in society. You may call it a family book for all age and backgrounds

and to correct you both, both arabs and monks preserved books. Even the Emperor of China had his own libary of history cached away

Modifié par kingthrall, 14 mars 2010 - 06:17 .

[Presentdent]

You actually torture them for being a pervert, a glutton, greedy, sadistically angry, violent, a liar, or a traitor. Only one circle has heretics, and the Angels went down and took a large group of them out of there, recently .Then you've got limbo, where they put all the pagans that weren't crazy, and it's pretty nice, there, according to Dante. At least in their little section.

Stop making this into a "you're persecuting my small and insignificant sect with your big, bad, organized religion" arguement.

[Ahisgewaya]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ahisgewaya wrote...

I meant ancient china, before christianity got anywhere near it. If we're going to jump around the timestream, I think I'll bring up a nice little period called the DARK AGES. You know, when your CHRISTIAN england was busy not bathing and burning witches. Oh, and the church was in control of most of europe. Yep your "world religion" sure bring out the best in people don't they?

And yet at the same time, Islam brought about the Golden age that many regard as one of the greatest periods of human history in terms of scientific discovery, law, culture, literature, art, tolerance, trade, inventions that surpasses that of Rome. So here you have a world religion that did bring out the best in people in the past.
To suggest that they cannot is very ahistorical. 

This thread is getting even more idiotic. I wonder why it isn't closed yet.  

Personally I find Islam to be quite superior to christianity. And yes, they did bring about the best in their people for a time. I cheifly was upset at the term "world religion".

I also agree that this thread just pisses everyone off and should probably be closed. I wonder if that was the intention of the OP?

Modifié par Ahisgewaya, 14 mars 2010 - 06:18 .

[Presentdent]

They are world religions. Review my arguement a couple pages ago. No other religion even comes close to their size/breadth.

[kingthrall]

if you want to argue which is the superior religion i am suprised you think islam is the more superior. I would have chosen budhism, because its the only religion that has not waged a war by its own choice. Funny that you didnt think of that before you blurted out how religion is the cause of all wars.

There are more causes for war, for exsample this war which might interest you!
http://www.zum.de/wh...n/guanowar.html

i should mention for those with bad language skills, that this was a war for bat faeces.

Modifié par kingthrall, 14 mars 2010 - 06:24 .

[Ahisgewaya]

Presentdent wrote...

They are world religions. Review my arguement a couple pages ago. No other religion even comes close to their size/breadth.

except Buddhism. And Hinduism if we're counting more time periods than the current one.

Modifié par Ahisgewaya, 14 mars 2010 - 06:22 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

They are officially the three Abrahamic religions or monotheist religions. I never heard them being called "world religions", I find that rather arrogant, despite being a follower and believer in two of them. Another terminology I have come across is the 3 "great religions". May sound arrogant, but at least it doesn't deny the existance of other religions in this world.

[Presentdent]

Hinduism is largely focused in India. Buddhism is focused in East Asia, with small amounts of converts elsewhere. The three I mentioned are spread, in large numbers, over numerous continents. Though, I really don't think Judaism counts. Too small.

[Ahisgewaya]

kingthrall wrote...

if you want to argue which is the superior religion i am suprised you think islam is the more superior. I would have chosen budhism, because its the only religion that has not waged a war by its own choice. Funny that you didnt think of that before you blurted out how religion is the cause of all wars.

There are more causes for war, for exsample this war which might interest you!
http://www.zum.de/wh...n/guanowar.html

I said superior to christianity. Not to all religions. ANd you are wrong, many other religions have not waged a religious war. Oh, and Buddhism has a violent sect in it, the one that released gas into a Tokyo subway. Dorje Shugden I beleive it's called.

[KnightofPhoenix]

kingthrall wrote...

if you want to argue which is the superior religion i am suprised you think islam is the more superior. I would have chosen budhism, because its the only religion that has not waged a war by its own choice. Funny that you didnt think of that before you blurted out how religion is the cause of all wars.

Buddha was never a statesman. He never had to deal with politics and he never was responsable for the well being of a nation. Moses, Muhammad and the other Abrahamic prophets (with the exception of Jesus) on the otherhand were statesman. War is a hard hting to avoid, especially in their circumstances.
 Buddhism is not a state religion. It's a personal philosophy. Judaism and Islam are much more than that. You cannot compare them.  

And on a sidenote, Buddhists were in fact largely supportive of the Muslims when they conquered the Sindh. They were automatically considered "People of the book" despite not being so.  

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mars 2010 - 06:30 .

[Presentdent]

I don't think any religion is superior. They're all different interpretations, my ignorant friend.

Except for Pastafarianism, the true religion, in which God is the Flying Spaghetti Monster who grants wishes and tickles you with noodle arms.

[Ahisgewaya]

Presentdent wrote...
I don't think any religion is superior. They're all different interpretations, my ignorant friend.

SO you claim now, my ignorant friend, and yet you still called them the "Three World Religions" as though the world has no other religions worth speaking of.

[kingthrall]

Oh im wrong, i apologise my life is ruined for somthing i dont believe in. Thanks for clarifying that info that ill read into a bit more to learn more about this sect.



In the end though, you still utterly fail in your argument that the chantry is a catholic or christian religion. I agree it has the essence of either religion of sacrifice for peoples sins. But by altering the chantry with other fictionous events it becomes less and less like the real thing. Which is a good thing in my opinion because it covers bioware from being sued.



The chantry does not have enough detail of human history or close undertones to make that kind of assumption. Its like they took the most basic chunk of every day knowledge and kept all the details that make it a unique religion.