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[Irian]

After all the long and exhausting  discussions about the fact that one cannot import a world 'state' into Awakening without importing the character from Origins as well, I am wondering if you - Great Biowarians - could reveal to us what the standard choices are that are assumed for the world 'state' if you start with a completely new character. At least those variables that are relevant to Awakening. Please?

I guess the 'Ultimate Sacrifice' and 'Alistair is King of Ferelden" are a given. But what other epilogue outcomes are assumed for the Orlesian Warden? Like for example: Who rules Dwarves? Did the Legion of the Dead join the fight against the Blight? What about Oghren and his love interest?

And to all Non-Biowarians:

1. What other 'states' are already known?
2.What world 'states' would you prefer?

[CarlSpackler]

This will be interesting, as the ME2 default world state differed rather surprisingly from both my ME1 choices and what I would have supposed to be default.



As for what I would prefer, heh, I would "prefer" to be able to implement my ultimate sacrifice ending with the world statemy warden had toiled so tirelessly to provide. Of course that aint happening .

[Aldaris951]

Im guessing anora will rule by herself because alistair isnt racist and i doubt he would distrust an orlesian since alot of grey wardens are from there anyway. Alistair killed the archdemon and died logain is dead as well.

[Aldaris951]

Im guessing anora will rule by herself because alistair isnt racist and i doubt he would distrust an orlesian since alot of grey wardens are from there anyway. Alistair killed the archdemon and died logain is dead as well.

[errant_knight]

My guess is that Alistair is king by himself, The PC killed the archdemon, otherwise there'd be no need for an Orleisian warden. I also suspect that Harrowmont is king of the dwarves, Zathrian is dead (werewolves cured), Connor and Isolde both live, Eamon is Chancellor, with Bann Tegan administering to Redcliffe. What happened to the companions is more difficult to say, but it's probably assumed that none were romanced and all are still alive. Oghren got with Felsi, clearly. Edit: Oh, I forgot. I also suspect that the Anvil will be destroyed and Branka will be dead.

What do I prefer? Well, those were my choices, too, except that my PC lived, and in various playthroughs has become consort, stayed in the relationship without marriage, or broken up after landsmeet. I'll be playing the one where my PC became consort and they lived together in Denerim except when both left to journey to Duncan's home to build a monument.

Modifié par errant_knight, 12 mars 2010 - 05:17 .

[Irian]

As for what I would prefer, heh, I would "prefer" to be able to implement my ultimate sacrifice ending with the world statemy warden had toiled so tirelessly to provide. Of course that aint happening .

Well *g* , I was thinking more along the lines of concrete outcomes. Like "I would prefer the Anvil to be destroyed" and so on 

[Giltspur]

I would guess



1) Warden died via Ultimate Sacrifice

2) Alistair is king alone.

3) Wynne is an advisor to Alistair

4) Loghain was executed by Alistair

5) Anora is imprisoned

6) Nothing else shows up in Awakening

[Ceridraen]

I hope Alistair is king alone! If you make the poor guy marry Anora, there's a little spot at their coronation when he tries to touch her hand & she smacks him. No babies for them - barren or not. I'd hold out that he meets a pleasant elf girl & Anora runs off with her gardener.

[Irian]

Giltspur wrote...
6) Nothing else shows up in Awakening

I would guess that some of the Dwarf-related things *could* show up.

[CarlSpackler]

Irian wrote...

As for what I would prefer, heh, I would "prefer" to be able to implement my ultimate sacrifice ending with the world statemy warden had toiled so tirelessly to provide. Of course that aint happening .

Well *g* , I was thinking more along the lines of concrete outcomes. Like "I would prefer the Anvil to be destroyed" and so on 

  Yeah I know, was just being snarky, sorry.

[Booglarize]

Yeah, I'd like to know this as well. It'd go a long way towards helping me decide whether my first playthrough will be with my own character or the Orlesian Warden.

[YohkoOhno]

They should not spoil it for people. There is no need to know in advance when you should play the game to find out.

[NeroSparda]

In that case, I will never play the Orlesian Warden. ;D

[Booglarize]

YohkoOhno wrote...

They should not spoil it for people. There is no need to know in advance when you should play the game to find out.

It's not much of a secret, really - in fact if you're importing you'll know it all in advance anyway, and I doubt that will spoil it for anyone. It wouldn't hurt to reveal the state for the Orlesian Warden either.

[pChar]

I doubt that they will reveal it.

But I'd like Loghain to be alive, US for your warden mainly. It would be awesome to see Loghains reaction to the new orlesian warden.

[Booglarize]

Now if Loghain is alive in the default world state, I would definitely consider playing as the Orlesian. Unfortunately, I don't think that'll be the case - I don't think they would've showed Alistair in the trailers if it wasn't their 'canon' version.

[Irian]

YohkoOhno wrote...

They should not spoil it for people. There is no need to know in advance when you should play the game to find out.

Well, it would help me to decide on how to play my next character that is going to sacrifice him- or herself

[Freezingfire]

pChar wrote...

I doubt that they will reveal it.
But I'd like Loghain to be alive, US for your warden mainly. It would be awesome to see Loghains reaction to the new orlesian warden.

This is why I think that Loghain is alive in the Orlesian playthrough. "Zomg an Orlesian, kill it with fire!!"

[Irian]

I have to admit that I always found the combiation of Lohgain and the Ulimate Sacrifice the least interesting - but now with that new image in my mind ... *g*

[Thalorin1919]

You guys do realize that if Alistair is the King on his own, he had Anora executed and not thrown into prison, unless she swore fealty to Alistair and relinquished claim to the throne.



But anyways, from looking at the videos and stuff. I would guess it is this.



1 - Morrigans ritual was used, PC killed the Archdemon

2 - Alistair is a 'hardened' king on his own.

3 - Harrowmont is most likely king - I dont think this will come into play in Awakening - But it seems like we will be going to the Deep Roads at one point, so maybe we will encounter whoever we chose as King.

4 - Werewolves were cured.

5- The mages were saved.

6 - Eamon's family is saved, and Teagan is the new Arl.

[Irian]

Thalorin1919 wrote...
1 - Morrigans ritual was used, PC killed the Archdemon 

I don't think so. In that case you as the Orlesian Warden wouldn't be needed in Ferelden (I guess).

[Thalorin1919]

Irian wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...
1 - Morrigans ritual was used, PC killed the Archdemon 

I don't think so. In that case you as the Orlesian Warden wouldn't be needed in Ferelden (I guess).

I was just taking it by what I saw in the Awakening trailer. In the beginning you see the Warden with short black hair and tan slaying the demon. You see the same exact warden throughout the trailer as the PC.

So I am pretty sure thats what it is. I dont see why Bioware wouldnt want the canon ending as Morrigan's ritual anyway, it adds way more to the story. There just bringing in the Orlesian Warden to appeal to the folks who sacrificed there characters.

[m0nachus]

Irian wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...
1 - Morrigans ritual was used, PC killed the Archdemon 

I don't think so. In that case you as the Orlesian Warden wouldn't be needed in Ferelden (I guess).

I have to disagree. I think it makes sense, especially considering the dialogue with Alistair regarding the other Grey Wardens asking questions about how the Archdemon was slain. The Orlesian Grey Warden may be in Ferelden in part to investigate this.

[ArcanistLibram]

No, having the DAO PC and an Orlesian at the same time would be bad storytelling. It would overshadow the Orlesian and it would be absolutely 100% impossible for the two to interact since Bioware has zero control over the DAO PC, which is problematic since the story pretty much requires that the two interact at some point.



Having the DAO PC die killing the Archdemon so an Orlesian Warden has to take over ties up all of the loose ends nicely.

[Urazz]

Ceridraen wrote...

I hope Alistair is king alone! If you make the poor guy marry Anora, there's a little spot at their coronation when he tries to touch her hand & she smacks him. No babies for them - barren or not. I'd hold out that he meets a pleasant elf girl & Anora runs off with her gardener.

I thought that scene was kind of funny actually.  I figured it was due to the fact that Anora is pretty proper as far as etiquette is concerned.  I can see Alistair eventually winning her over.

ArcanistLibram wrote...

No, having the DAO PC and an Orlesian at the same time would be bad storytelling. It would overshadow the Orlesian and it would be absolutely 100% impossible for the two to interact since Bioware has zero control over the DAO PC, which is problematic since the story pretty much requires that the two interact at some point.

Having the DAO PC die killing the Archdemon so an Orlesian Warden has to take over ties up all of the loose ends nicely.

Or they can make you choose to have the DAO PC run after Morrigan depending on if we run into Morrigan or not in Awakening.

Modifié par Urazz, 13 mars 2010 - 03:58 .