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[Irian]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

No, having the DAO PC and an Orlesian at the same time would be bad storytelling. It would overshadow the Orlesian and it would be absolutely 100% impossible for the two to interact since Bioware has zero control over the DAO PC, which is problematic since the story pretty much requires that the two interact at some point.

Having the DAO PC die killing the Archdemon so an Orlesian Warden has to take over ties up all of the loose ends nicely.

I agree.

In the end I suspect that the only things that matter in Awakening are the person to be King and (some of) the Dwarf-related issues.

[blademaster7]

You guys are putting way too much thought into this.

The world state will most likely be

*The Blight ended
* PC from origins? Who's that?
*Either Alistair or Anora will make a cameo as King/Queen - Anora would make more sense I think, since it was the PC who put Alistair there in the first place.
*You are a GW from Orlais that was send to rebuild the order..

And that's about it. I would be surprised if they mention what happened to the mages/dwarfs etc.

Modifié par blademaster7, 13 mars 2010 - 09:38 .

[Elanareon]

No... Bioware's ending isn't US. It's Morrigan with a god baby.

[Feraele]

Ceridraen wrote...

I hope Alistair is king alone! If you make the poor guy marry Anora, there's a little spot at their coronation when he tries to touch her hand & she smacks him. No babies for them - barren or not. I'd hold out that he meets a pleasant elf girl & Anora runs off with her gardener.

He's probably going to have to do "fun" on the side...and in that way he'll be following in his father's footsteps for sure lol.   Don't forget,  the bottom line is..as king he should be producing an heir to the throne...however, we don't know how that works with a parent that has the taint..........(another dlc story? ...heh)

[Khayness]

Feraele wrote...
He's probably going to have to do "fun" on the side...and in that way he'll be following in his father's footsteps for sure lol.   Don't forget,  the bottom line is..as king he should be producing an heir to the throne...however, we don't know how that works with a parent that has the taint..........(another dlc story? ...heh)

They just track down Morrigan and promote her to HMS Royal Marriage Counsellor, since she knows a few things about how to dodge that problem.

[Vim]

Ceridraen wrote...

I hope Alistair is king alone! If you make the poor guy marry Anora, there's a little spot at their coronation when he tries to touch her hand & she smacks him. No babies for them - barren or not. I'd hold out that he meets a pleasant elf girl & Anora runs off with her gardener.

I agree with you on Alistair, but not on Anora. Anora is really, really picky and her desire for companionship doesn't compare to her desire to run Ferelden.  Sex with another would also make her vulnerable and I don't see her liking that feeling. So my guess is that she'd stay celibate (because she doesn't see anyone except perhaps a male warden who saved Ferelden worthy of her) and dedicate her life to ruling Ferelden if she had her choice.   Alistair would probably eventually find a mistress if Anora continued to treat him coldly, but not for several years. He'd have to overcome his templar training first.  The exception to this is if a female pc warden is already his mistress.

[Marso40]

Well there's a whole 'nuther thread on Anora's sexual appetites (fade beast or ice princess?), but I have a sneaky suspicion that the only thing that makes her hot is when her cute little fanny is seated on the royal throne of Ferelden.



Curse Bioware for making her so cute: you want to hate her for that mercenary, rancid personality, but then you also want to marry her and have her (-ahem) as your queen. She is a shrew to be tamed.

[Irian]

Back on topic, guys! 

Elanareon wrote...

No... Bioware's ending isn't US. It's Morrigan with a god baby.

Interesting. How do you know?

[Thalorin1919]

Irian wrote...

Back on topic, guys! 

Elanareon wrote...

No... Bioware's ending isn't US. It's Morrigan with a god baby.

Interesting. How do you know?

....Why would it not be?

Morrigan and her child are the #1 thing people want to play in the next expansion or sequel. It makes the story more exciting then the US.

And as I said before in Bioware's trailer of Awakening - You see the same exact PC that kills the Archdemon the same PC playing in Awakening.

[Irian]

Yes, but naturally that can NOT be the Orlesian Warden. So ...

[Vim]

Marso40 wrote...

Well there's a whole 'nuther thread on Anora's sexual appetites (fade beast or ice princess?), but I have a sneaky suspicion that the only thing that makes her hot is when her cute little fanny is seated on the royal throne of Ferelden.

I'm reminded of a pair of exchanges with Loghain if you're engaged to Anora and spare him:

Player: Were you really going to kill Anora?
Loghain: Anora always did have a flair for the dramatic. She could have been a bard.
Player: I knew I shouldn't have trusted her.
Loghain: Anora's only real loyalty is to herself. She's capable and determined, but she'll sacrifice anything for her goals. Remember that.
Player: So I broke into the palace for nothing?
Loghain: I'm sure you coming to her rescue gave her no end of pleasure.

and:

Player: What was Anora like as a child?
Loghain: So far as anyone could tell, she was the undisputed monarch of the whole world. She'd fall, skin her knees, and command them to stop stinging. It may have worked too.
Player: So I should expect to be bossed around?
Loghain: If you didn't already expect that, I've no idea what to say to you.

Curse Bioware for making her so cute: you want to hate her for that mercenary, rancid personality, but then you also want to marry her and have her (-ahem) as your queen. She is a shrew to be tamed.

LOL. I know that feeling all too well.  The jury however is out on whether or not she can be tamed.  Perhaps if she fell in love with the male noble warden... I don't believe she was ever "in love" with Cailan. She grew to love him over time, but I never got the feeling from any of her dialogs that she had ever felt any passion towards him. So despite all of her manipulative intrigue and plotting, she strikes me as being inexperienced and very likely out of her depth in matters of the heart.  Thus if she did fall for the male warden, assuming he could impress with her his intelligence as well as his battlefield heroics, she'd probably fall hard.  Of course that feeling of being out of control would probably scare the heck out of her too, and the Maker only knows how she'd react to that fear.  It would certainly make for some interesting role-play, far more interesting than either deposing her or allowing her to turn you into her pawn.

Modifié par Vim, 13 mars 2010 - 05:01 .

[Thalorin1919]

Vim wrote...

Marso40 wrote...

Well there's a whole 'nuther thread on Anora's sexual appetites (fade beast or ice princess?), but I have a sneaky suspicion that the only thing that makes her hot is when her cute little fanny is seated on the royal throne of Ferelden.

I'm reminded of a pair of exchanges with Loghain if you're engaged to Anora and spare him:

Player: Were you really going to kill Anora?
Loghain: Anora always did have a flair for the dramatic. She could have been a bard.
Player: I knew I shouldn't have trusted her.
Loghain: Anora's only real loyalty is to herself. She's capable and determined, but she'll sacrifice anything for her goals. Remember that.
Player: So I broke into the palace for nothing?
Loghain: I'm sure you coming to her rescue gave her no end of pleasure.

and:

Player: What was Anora like as a child?
Loghain: So far as anyone could tell, she was the undisputed monarch of the whole world. She'd fall, skin her knees, and command them to stop stinging. It may have worked too.
Player: So I should expect to be bossed around?
Loghain: If you didn't already expect that, I've no idea what to say to you.

Curse Bioware for making her so cute: you want to hate her for that mercenary, rancid personality, but then you also want to marry her and have her (-ahem) as your queen. She is a shrew to be tamed.

LOL. I know that feeling all too well.  The jury however is out on whether or not she can be tamed.  Perhaps if she fell in love with the male noble warden... I don't believe she was ever "in love" with Cailan. She grew to love him over time, but I never got the feeling from any of her dialogs that she had ever felt any passion towards him. So despite all of her manipulative intrigue and plotting, she strikes me as being inexperienced and very likely out of her depth in matters of the heart.  Thus if she did fall for the male warden, assuming he could impress with her his intelligence as well as his battlefield heroics, she'd probably fall hard.  Of course that feeling of being out of control would probably scare the heck out of her too, and the Maker only knows how she'd react to that fear.  It would certainly make for some interesting role-play, far more interesting than either deposing her or allowing her to turn you into her pawn.

Anora is alot like Morrigan. They both think that power and intelligence are above all, and that all other emotions are "weak".

Morrigan can fall in love - but she hates that feeling of dependency and affection when she is with the Warden. Never the less Anora probably feels the same. She doesnt want to be seen in a weak light, since she is already a woman and its hard enough to earn respect.

[ArcanistLibram]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

....Why would it not be?

Morrigan and her child are the #1 thing people want to play in the next expansion or sequel. It makes the story more exciting then the US.

There are too many complications for it to be default. Bioware would need to pick the father out of
- Loghain, who may or may not be dead
- 6 possible PCs, which would require creating a default PC, which is just not a good idea
- Alistair, who may or may not be dead
Then factor in whether or not you romanced her if you were male.

Having US as the default setting has a lot less loose ends than the ritual.

[Ceridraen]

Vim wrote...

Ceridraen wrote...

I hope Alistair is king alone! If you make the poor guy marry Anora, there's a little spot at their coronation when he tries to touch her hand & she smacks him. No babies for them - barren or not. I'd hold out that he meets a pleasant elf girl & Anora runs off with her gardener.

I agree with you on Alistair, but not on Anora. Anora is really, really picky and her desire for companionship doesn't compare to her desire to run Ferelden.  Sex with another would also make her vulnerable and I don't see her liking that feeling. So my guess is that she'd stay celibate (because she doesn't see anyone except perhaps a male warden who saved Ferelden worthy of her) and dedicate her life to ruling Ferelden if she had her choice.   Alistair would probably eventually find a mistress if Anora continued to treat him coldly, but not for several years. He'd have to overcome his templar training first.  The exception to this is if a female pc warden is already his mistress.

It really has to be some gardener...

My problem with it is that I think the whole notion of a monarchy is really, really stupid. I don't see evidence anywhere in history that ruling ability is inherited, that it's a good thing to pass on leadership to a child, & it seems more likely that  'some elf kid in an alienage' might be a far better leader than someone who happens to have 'royal blood.'  So when Eamon squeaks on about how we must continue the royal line, I think... no.  The nation will fall apart because you didn't keep the bloodline? Or more likely, as with real history, because Eamon wants to keep his own connections. 

I'm so very anti-Sten, I guess.  Alistair should have stayed a Grey Warden.  Duty would be served there.

[Vim]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

....Why would it not be?

Morrigan and her child are the #1 thing people want to play in the next expansion or sequel. It makes the story more exciting then the US.

There are too many complications for it to be default. Bioware would need to pick the father out of
- Loghain, who may or may not be dead
- 6 possible PCs, which would require creating a default PC, which is just not a good idea
- Alistair, who may or may not be dead
Then factor in whether or not you romanced her if you were male.

Having US as the default setting has a lot less loose ends than the ritual.

Juggling the 6 different possible PC's isn't so hard. They already do that throughout both Origins and the expansion.  For the most part the same dialog is good for all 6 possible pc backgrounds with a possible tweak here or there for a particular background where appropriate.  It would be even easier  to make it default if the game required you to create a new character and they called it DA2.  Then they wouldn't have to worry about which particular warden impregnated her in your story.

[ladydesire]

Assuming Human Noble Male doing the Ultimate Sacrifice is DA:O Canon, (US is the only logical reason for the Orlesian Warden, at least to me) this means that Wynne stays at court, Fergus gives Amaranthine to the Grey Wardens, and Alistair is King, either with or without Anora as Queen; I would venture to say that the Dalish are given the land down by Gwaren for a place to live, the Anvil was destroyed and Bhelen is King of the Dwarves (for as long as it lasts) and the Circle Tower is rebuilt.

[Onyx Jaguar]

It would still be lame though, takes away any weight to that decision in the main game.

EDIT: I should have used quotes, this post is not directed at the post above mine it is dircted at the DR is canon responses

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 13 mars 2010 - 06:58 .

[Dave of Canada]

The god-baby is the only thing leaving a loose end that could be tied up in a sequel or expansion, while all the other endings give closure. So it's not doubt it'll be eventually turned into canon.

[Archereon]

Onyx: Well its practically canon already, seeing as it has so much potential..



(imagine if Morrigan's child was made into a Grey Warden...Can you say, OH ****, I accidentally started a blight!)

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'm not really seeing it

They could just as easy start a story from scratch, DA:O borrows too much already and this God Baby thing reminds me too much of Baldur's Gate and Excalibur

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 13 mars 2010 - 07:28 .

[bluewolv1970]

Vim wrote...

Ceridraen wrote...

I hope Alistair is king alone! If you make the poor guy marry Anora, there's a little spot at their coronation when he tries to touch her hand & she smacks him. No babies for them - barren or not. I'd hold out that he meets a pleasant elf girl & Anora runs off with her gardener.

I agree with you on Alistair, but not on Anora. Anora is really, really picky and her desire for companionship doesn't compare to her desire to run Ferelden.  Sex with another would also make her vulnerable and I don't see her liking that feeling. So my guess is that she'd stay celibate (because she doesn't see anyone except perhaps a male warden who saved Ferelden worthy of her) and dedicate her life to ruling Ferelden if she had her choice.   Alistair would probably eventually find a mistress if Anora continued to treat him coldly, but not for several years. He'd have to overcome his templar training first.  The exception to this is if a female pc warden is already his mistress.

If you harden him and let loghain live - at the end Anora is more attarcted to him (she says she is surprised that they are getting along) than if he is a softy.  Of Course he has a strong dislike for the PC

[Vim]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Anora is alot like Morrigan. They both think that power and intelligence are above all, and that all other emotions are "weak".

Morrigan can fall in love - but she hates that feeling of dependency and affection when she is with the Warden. Never the less Anora probably feels the same. She doesnt want to be seen in a weak light, since she is already a woman and its hard enough to earn respect.

Yes they are similar in quite a few ways. Both will choose power over love in a heartbeat, although they may later feel regret.  I would say however that Morrigan is more honest with herself.  She'll never confuse what she wants with what's best for the country.   Morrigan won't try to dominate your character and is even playfully willing to temporarily submit herself to the Warden's will at times if they have a good relationship. If you choose her to enter the fade through Jowan's blood sacrifice of Isolde for example, Morrigan will observe that you didn't ask, and then joke that she is ever your willing slave. 

On the other hand Anora won't criticize you for rescuing a kitten from a tree or helping someone in need.   Neither will Anora openly sneer at the idea of love even if perhaps she fears it as much as Morrigan does deep down. But unlike Morrigan she will attempt to establish & maintain her dominance over you the entire time. She comes across as something of a closet dominatrix.  While I don't expect to see Morrigan in Awakening, it will be interesting to see how Anora gets developed in the expansion, either as queen, or as both queen & the player's wife.

Modifié par Vim, 13 mars 2010 - 08:01 .

[Booglarize]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'm not really seeing it

They could just as easy start a story from scratch, DA:O borrows too much already and this God Baby thing reminds me too much of Baldur's Gate and Excalibur

Yeah, well, I'm sure a good chunk of BioWare's current and future fan base will never have played the Baldur's Gate games so it'll all still seem very new and exciting to them.

Modifié par Booglarize, 13 mars 2010 - 07:53 .

[Thalorin1919]

Vim wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Anora is alot like Morrigan. They both think that power and intelligence are above all, and that all other emotions are "weak".

Morrigan can fall in love - but she hates that feeling of dependency and affection when she is with the Warden. Never the less Anora probably feels the same. She doesnt want to be seen in a weak light, since she is already a woman and its hard enough to earn respect.

Yes they are similar in quite a few ways. Both will choose power over love in a heartbeat, although they may later feel regret.  I would say however that Morrigan is more honest with herself.  She'll never confuse what she wants with what's best for the country.   Morrigan won't try to dominate your character and is even playfully willing to temporarily submit herself to the Warden's will at times if they have a good relationship. If you choose her to enter the fade through Jowan's blood sacrifice of Isolde for example, Morrigan will observe that you didn't ask, and then joke that she is ever your willing slave. 

On the other hand Anora won't criticize you for rescuing a kitten from a tree or helping someone in need.   Neither will Anora openly sneer at the idea of love even if perhaps she fears it as much as Morrigan does deep down. But unlike Morrigan she will attempt to establish & maintain her dominance over you the entire time. She comes across as something of a closet dominatrix.  While I don't expect to see Morrigan in Awakening, it will be interesting to see how Anora gets developed in the expansion, either as queen, or as both queen & the player's wife.

Whats funny is that if you are a human noble are you are going to marry Anora. In the epilogue you go to talk to her about the wedding and stuff and she asks you if you are nervous. I think I said a little or whatever - and she went on to say "Good, cause I must say I find you intimidating" or something along those lines.

I think she will open up to a hardened Alistair or the human noble better. Since they are "strong" people. In a sense they are intelligent and are warriors. A softy Alistair she wont be attracted too. I think thats why her and Cailan never got along. I didnt really see Cailan as a strong person.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Booglarize wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'm not really seeing it

They could just as easy start a story from scratch, DA:O borrows too much already and this God Baby thing reminds me too much of Baldur's Gate and Excalibur

Yeah, well, I'm sure a good chunk of BioWare's current and future fan base will never have played the Baldur's Gate games so it'll all still seem very new and exciting to them.

They could do something interesting with it, but I am not at all ok with sacrificing DA:O's story integrity just so the sequel could be based around it.  DA is about options, streamlining it would be a disservice.