Aller au contenu

Photo

Bioware, can you reveal the world 'state' that is assumed for the Orlesian Warden?


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
61 réponses à ce sujet

#51
Booglarize

Booglarize
  • Members
  • 643 messages

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

They could do something interesting with it, but I am not at all ok with sacrificing DA:O's story integrity just so the sequel could be based around it.  DA is about options, streamlining it would be a disservice. 


Yeah, I think they may have painted themselves into a bit of a corner by promising that your decisions will matter, and then running up against the technical limitations of actually making a game that takes all the potentially different scenarios into account. Though I imagine that there's a sweet spot somewhere between the extremes of not acknowledging the decisions at all, and making an entirely new game for each different set of decisions.

I don't think Awakening will hit this sweet spot - it seems to be erring to much on the side of "don't acknowledge past decisions (or acknowledge them only supercifially)". But I imagine that there's a bit of trial and error involved in the process - even if Awakening turns out to be not that great on this count (though I imagine it'll have plenty of other redeeming qualities), they can learn from it and do better next time.

#52
Vim

Vim
  • Members
  • 117 messages

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Vim wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Anora is alot like Morrigan. They both think that power and intelligence are above all, and that all other emotions are "weak".

Morrigan can fall in love - but she hates that feeling of dependency and affection when she is with the Warden. Never the less Anora probably feels the same. She doesnt want to be seen in a weak light, since she is already a woman and its hard enough to earn respect.


Yes they are similar in quite a few ways. Both will choose power over love in a heartbeat, although they may later feel regret.  I would say however that Morrigan is more honest with herself.  She'll never confuse what she wants with what's best for the country.   Morrigan won't try to dominate your character and is even playfully willing to temporarily submit herself to the Warden's will at times if they have a good relationship. If you choose her to enter the fade through Jowan's blood sacrifice of Isolde for example, Morrigan will observe that you didn't ask, and then joke that she is ever your willing slave. 

On the other hand Anora won't criticize you for rescuing a kitten from a tree or helping someone in need.   Neither will Anora openly sneer at the idea of love even if perhaps she fears it as much as Morrigan does deep down. But unlike Morrigan she will attempt to establish & maintain her dominance over you the entire time. She comes across as something of a closet dominatrix.  While I don't expect to see Morrigan in Awakening, it will be interesting to see how Anora gets developed in the expansion, either as queen, or as both queen & the player's wife.


Whats funny is that if you are a human noble are you are going to marry Anora. In the epilogue you go to talk to her about the wedding and stuff and she asks you if you are nervous. I think I said a little or whatever - and she went on to say "Good, cause I must say I find you intimidating" or something along those lines.


That is her single most promising dialog line in the game as far as her betrothal is concerned. She displays both humor and vulnerability simultaneously as long as the player shows a hint of vulnerability himself first by admitting to being a little nervous. She shows she can laugh, and it makes you wonder if just maybe this marriage can turn into something more than a political arrangement that will eventually turn into a power struggle (or your being her pawn). It makes you wonder if just maybe the marriage might turn into more of an equal partnership that will result in the golden age for Ferelden the epilogue mentions could result if you two don't end up vying for the throne.

I think she will open up to a hardened Alistair or the human noble better. Since they are "strong" people. In a sense they are intelligent and are warriors. A softy Alistair she wont be attracted too. I think thats why her and Cailan never got along. I didnt really see Cailan as a strong person.


I totally agree. Her comments regarding Cailan at Arl Eamon's estate clearly show that she was disappointed that he wasn't more involved with helping her rule. She might have loved him, but she didn't respect him and admits that he was a fool. The love struck me as the sort of affection or fondness you might have for a kid brother. There didn't seem to be any real passion there.  The thought of marrying another Alistair who she thought would be just as charmingly incompetent as Cailan was clearly repugnant to her.  You get the feeling that deep down she wants a partner who she respects and can share the burdens of leadership with, someone who is a hero like her father, and yet at the same time, she has a real problem sharing. She fears that you would then be able to use the power you gained to strip her of her authority and banish her to managing the kitchens or some other form of woman's work.  And the maker only knows what she'll come up with should she decide your character is a potential threat to her rule. The relationship could so easily spiral out of control into a bitter struggle to the death if the wrong things get said.

#53
Irian

Irian
  • Members
  • 30 messages

Archereon wrote...

Onyx: Well its practically canon already, seeing as it has so much potential..

Even if - why should they use it for the Orlesian Warden?

#54
Irian

Irian
  • Members
  • 30 messages
I think it may be relevant for the answer to the world state for the 'new' warden that Oghren's approval isn't carried over.

David Gaider wrote...
As I understand it, plot flags ("did somone do X quest?") can be carried over but approval (which is a variable stored on the PC character local to origins) can not. It's been a while since Oghren saw you, at least, but if you did his personal quest (and how you did it) is at least an indication of how you two got along.

Although... there seems to be some worry that even your decisions in Oghren's personal quest do not carry over. I guess we have to wait and see.

Modifié par Irian, 14 mars 2010 - 09:55 .


#55
ElvaliaRavenHart

ElvaliaRavenHart
  • Members
  • 1 625 messages

Vim wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Vim wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Anora is alot like Morrigan. They both think that power and intelligence are above all, and that all other emotions are "weak".

Morrigan can fall in love - but she hates that feeling of dependency and affection when she is with the Warden. Never the less Anora probably feels the same. She doesnt want to be seen in a weak light, since she is already a woman and its hard enough to earn respect.


Yes they are similar in quite a few ways. Both will choose power over love in a heartbeat, although they may later feel regret.  I would say however that Morrigan is more honest with herself.  She'll never confuse what she wants with what's best for the country.   Morrigan won't try to dominate your character and is even playfully willing to temporarily submit herself to the Warden's will at times if they have a good relationship. If you choose her to enter the fade through Jowan's blood sacrifice of Isolde for example, Morrigan will observe that you didn't ask, and then joke that she is ever your willing slave. 

On the other hand Anora won't criticize you for rescuing a kitten from a tree or helping someone in need.   Neither will Anora openly sneer at the idea of love even if perhaps she fears it as much as Morrigan does deep down. But unlike Morrigan she will attempt to establish & maintain her dominance over you the entire time. She comes across as something of a closet dominatrix.  While I don't expect to see Morrigan in Awakening, it will be interesting to see how Anora gets developed in the expansion, either as queen, or as both queen & the player's wife.


Whats funny is that if you are a human noble are you are going to marry Anora. In the epilogue you go to talk to her about the wedding and stuff and she asks you if you are nervous. I think I said a little or whatever - and she went on to say "Good, cause I must say I find you intimidating" or something along those lines.


That is her single most promising dialog line in the game as far as her betrothal is concerned. She displays both humor and vulnerability simultaneously as long as the player shows a hint of vulnerability himself first by admitting to being a little nervous. She shows she can laugh, and it makes you wonder if just maybe this marriage can turn into something more than a political arrangement that will eventually turn into a power struggle (or your being her pawn). It makes you wonder if just maybe the marriage might turn into more of an equal partnership that will result in the golden age for Ferelden the epilogue mentions could result if you two don't end up vying for the throne.


I think she will open up to a hardened Alistair or the human noble better. Since they are "strong" people. In a sense they are intelligent and are warriors. A softy Alistair she wont be attracted too. I think thats why her and Cailan never got along. I didnt really see Cailan as a strong person.


I totally agree. Her comments regarding Cailan at Arl Eamon's estate clearly show that she was disappointed that he wasn't more involved with helping her rule. She might have loved him, but she didn't respect him and admits that he was a fool. The love struck me as the sort of affection or fondness you might have for a kid brother. There didn't seem to be any real passion there.  The thought of marrying another Alistair who she thought would be just as charmingly incompetent as Cailan was clearly repugnant to her.  You get the feeling that deep down she wants a partner who she respects and can share the burdens of leadership with, someone who is a hero like her father, and yet at the same time, she has a real problem sharing. She fears that you would then be able to use the power you gained to strip her of her authority and banish her to managing the kitchens or some other form of woman's work.  And the maker only knows what she'll come up with should she decide your character is a potential threat to her rule. The relationship could so easily spiral out of control into a bitter struggle to the death if the wrong things get said.




I got the impression on Anora that she pitted Loghain and Calian against each other, Anora would have known of the King's decision and his contact with the Orleasians Empress.  Anora told her father and Loghain betrays her husband the King.  Clever my girl.  I'd trust Morrigan before I'd trust that wench.  I think Anora and Howe were in cohoots together. Royal intrigue indeed.  As for the default canon:

Alistair is King may or may not be married, I'm betting on not.
Harrowmont/Behlen could go either way  Behlen seems most logical choice to me to have access to Orz throne, Behlen more willing to deal with topsiders, he is also ruthless.
Lanya is Dalish Elf Leader at Ostagar, but more werewolves are out there
The Tower is cleanesed for now, First Enchanter maybe retired, no Wynne she is traveling with Shale
or she finally gets her death wish, maybe a new enchanter, might be Anerin.
Is the Urn of Sacred Ashes really safe or did Lelianna steal them.
Does Zevran still have a contract on you since he is the leader of the Crows
Dalish elves have land near Ostagar, Human Nobles aren't going to like that.
Bann Teagan is Arl of Redcliffee, Connor is at the tower and is an abomination, and will there be an heir to Redcliffe because of Bann Teagan bumping uglies with Lloyd?
Oghren has a kid, he has left Felsi?
Sten's people are preparing for war.
Morrigan is the biggest question of all.
PC has made allies and enemies all over the place, regardless of your origin
Highever has been restored to the Couslands.
Flemeth may or maynot be dead
The Chantry is considering a divine march on the dwarves over Brother Berkel.
More Olreasian underhandness will be in play to overhrow Ferelden's King.
Shianni is leader of Denerim Alienage.
Duncan is dead or turned into a darkspawn.
Anora and Howe's supporters will be coming after PC and King.
Those sneaky dwarvves restored the anvil, Behlen won't let that useful tool go to waste.
Will Alistair ever have a child and if so with whom, thus demon god child showing up.
Is King Maric actually dead or will he and Fiona make an apperance or did Loghain/Anora/Howe kill Maric too.
Loghain is dead.
Arl Eamon is now the Arl of Denerim.
Anora is Duchess of her Father's estate or Al had her put to death.. 

My take anyway.

#56
Irian

Irian
  • Members
  • 30 messages
OK, we know at leat one thing:

David Gaider wrote...
Alistair is king by default.

Thanks, Mr. Gaider!

Modifié par Irian, 14 mars 2010 - 09:43 .


#57
JamieCOTC

JamieCOTC
  • Members
  • 6 349 messages
Well, if the US Warden is anything like the default Shepard in ME2 ...

Anora is Queen w/ Logain as her general. Alister is dead.
Wynne and Leliana are dead. (Defiled Urn of Sacred Ashes)
Arl Eamon rejects the Warden because he killed Connor and left Redcliffe to rot.
Shale is dead (Sided w/ Branka)
Bhelen rules Orzammar.
Mages are all dead.
Werewolves run rampant in the Brazilian Forest as the Dalish Elves are now all dead.
Sten is dead as he went back home w/out his sword.
Morrigan is gone and now working her way through the Orlesian Court.
Dog is dead, never cured him back at Ostagar.
Zev is dead, killed after questioning him.

That only leaves Orghen. Wow. ;)

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 14 mars 2010 - 10:27 .


#58
Irian

Irian
  • Members
  • 30 messages
Has anyone found some more answers yet? Maybe in one of the others threads?

#59
SarEnyaDor

SarEnyaDor
  • Members
  • 3 500 messages
I think the default state is Alistair hardened, ruling alone. The mages destroyed and a new circle being built, Werewolves killed, Zathrian wandered off after he realized he was no longer useful, Bhelen on the throne, Anvil intact with surfacers being taken, Connor killed and Isolde dead after giving birth to Rowan who Eamon ends up sending to the new Circle... because that was my crappiest ending and only happened once, so Murphy's law dictates it will be the default =D

#60
Irian

Irian
  • Members
  • 30 messages
Why all this negativity? ;)

#61
VSanders

VSanders
  • Members
  • 21 messages
Can anyone answer this now? I'd really like to know how close the Orlesian Warden defaults are to my US Warden's choices.

#62
Jax Sparrow

Jax Sparrow
  • Members
  • 679 messages
I would rather be able to play through Origins as an Orlesian Grey Warden and make my own world state. ;)