warden guru wrote...
and i still dought you got it.
Bratt1204 wrote...
This is what made the personal interactions with your companions so unique and fantastic in Origins; it made the relationships more believable. Most of the dialogue was unexpected until you 'clicked' on the companion and it changed depending on how the relationship progressed. Having an 'illuminated arrow' over a companion seems so canned and scripted. I believe you have taken the personal element out of the game that made Origins so fantastic.
Modifié par Brockololly, 14 mars 2010 - 02:24 .
I disagree. I like the idea of people having to have a reason for talking. not just rnadomly having a conversation that ends with "Hasara, this is pointless. Let us move on", but then you just start up another conversation and ask more questions, and mroe and more until you've exhausted them all and will likely not talk to that party member for the length of the game.Bratt1204 wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
No, there's still dialogue you can have with them in camp -- when they have something to say you'll see the plot flag over their head. Those dialogues are keyed to events the same way as they were in Origins (meaning something has happened to prompt them, such as reaching a certain level in approval, a specific event, etc.) What's been removed is the laundry list of questions that you could normally ask a character.Brockololly wrote...
I guess my question is: is it still possible to have a complete relationship with a party member if you don't bring them along on a given quest? Or by not bringing a certain party member on a quest and thereby missing a dialogue spot, are you going to potentially miss out on some vital part of the character, like the opportunity to do a personal quest?
Or are personal quests, like Leliana and Marjolaine, Morrigan dealing with Flemeth or Alistair dealing with Goldanna, not in Awakening?
Too many damn questions, I wish amazon would just ship the thing!
So not spending time with a character by taking them into the party and actually adventuring them does limit the amount of dialogue you'll get with them, yes -- you'll have less opportunities to increase their approval in dialogue. I don't really think chatting up a character in camp and asking them a bunch of questions is the best way to do that, anyhow. But, no, you won't miss out on their personal quest -- that's a prompted dialogue, just as it was in Origins.
Whether or not it works will be up to you to judge, of course, but from my perspective it's much more effective on the whole for character development.
This is what made the personal interactions with your companions so unique and fantastic in Origins; it made the relationships more believable. Most of the dialogue was unexpected until you 'clicked' on the companion and it changed depending on how the relationship progressed. Having an 'illuminated arrow' over a companion seems so canned and scripted. I believe you have taken the personal element out of the game that made Origins so fantastic.
This is great. Thankyou. I love it that we do not have to do that, I do replay this game a lot, and that part is really a drag (a little better than The Fade) but it's still great to have it gone for good.David Gaider wrote...
So not spending time with a character by taking them into the party and actually adventuring them does limit the amount of dialogue you'll get with them, yes -- you'll have less opportunities to increase their approval in dialogue. I don't really think chatting up a character in camp and asking them a bunch of questions is the best way to do that, anyhow. But, no, you won't miss out on their personal quest -- that's a prompted dialogue, just as it was in Origins.
Whether or not it works will be up to you to judge, of course, but from my perspective it's much more effective on the whole for character development.
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worksa8 wrote...
I disagree. I like the idea of people having to have a reason for talking. not just rnadomly having a conversation that ends with "Hasara, this is pointless. Let us move on", but then you just start up another conversation and ask more questions, and mroe and more until you've exhausted them all and will likely not talk to that party member for the length of the game.
Now you can talk to them about what you've done, and more to them if you actually adventure with them. The only thing i don't like is a giant floating icon over their heads =P
Bratt1204 wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
No, there's still dialogue you can have with them in camp -- when they have something to say you'll see the plot flag over their head. Those dialogues are keyed to events the same way as they were in Origins (meaning something has happened to prompt them, such as reaching a certain level in approval, a specific event, etc.) What's been removed is the laundry list of questions that you could normally ask a character.Brockololly wrote...
I guess my question is: is it still possible to have a complete relationship with a party member if you don't bring them along on a given quest? Or by not bringing a certain party member on a quest and thereby missing a dialogue spot, are you going to potentially miss out on some vital part of the character, like the opportunity to do a personal quest?
Or are personal quests, like Leliana and Marjolaine, Morrigan dealing with Flemeth or Alistair dealing with Goldanna, not in Awakening?
Too many damn questions, I wish amazon would just ship the thing!
So not spending time with a character by taking them into the party and actually adventuring them does limit the amount of dialogue you'll get with them, yes -- you'll have less opportunities to increase their approval in dialogue. I don't really think chatting up a character in camp and asking them a bunch of questions is the best way to do that, anyhow. But, no, you won't miss out on their personal quest -- that's a prompted dialogue, just as it was in Origins.
Whether or not it works will be up to you to judge, of course, but from my perspective it's much more effective on the whole for character development.
This is what made the personal interactions with your companions so unique and fantastic in Origins; it made the relationships more believable. Most of the dialogue was unexpected until you 'clicked' on the companion and it changed depending on how the relationship progressed. Having an 'illuminated arrow' over a companion seems so canned and scripted. I believe you have taken the personal element out of the game that made Origins so fantastic.
of Zevran and someone else (psst Loghain, yes I'm weird), I enjoy being surprised by what they choose to say and all.
worksa8 wrote...
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The only thing i don't like is a giant floating icon over their heads =P
Brockololly wrote...
worksa8 wrote...
I disagree. I like the idea of people having to have a reason for talking. not just rnadomly having a conversation that ends with "Hasara, this is pointless. Let us move on", but then you just start up another conversation and ask more questions, and mroe and more until you've exhausted them all and will likely not talk to that party member for the length of the game.
Now you can talk to them about what you've done, and more to them if you actually adventure with them. The only thing i don't like is a giant floating icon over their heads =P
I agree with you there though too. In any RPG it always irks me when I can just drain a party member of their dialogue early on and then they have nothing to say. But I wish that they could just pace it better, not get rid of the more optional dialogye alltogether. But maybe thats sort of what the new system is getting at.
no I don't want help on cheating I simply asked for a numer of how much all the best equipment costs combined.If ya don't wanna answer it here It's ok but can you pm me the answers please??worksa8 wrote...
Your asking for some pretty big spoilers...
The second one there sounds like you want help on cheating =O
(You will know yourself if you just make an Orlesian first anyways)
Noir201 wrote...
@Bratt1204 : I agree with you in part, it is a fear of mine that the dialogue wil be more scripted and less natural, but i do belive that some tightening is needed, but ofc not too much.
The arrow over the head is a bad idea cause it can displace them as people you care about, and give the idea of a forced interaction, which shouldn't be the point when it comes to social chatting.
If you want my real view, i would have perfured bioware used these char's in da 2 instead of a expansion, cause i fear, say Mhairi as a example, after this expansion will be brushed off, like Alistair and few others, but i can understand why bioware are doing what they are with awakening.
I will be buying awakening regradless, so i can judge it on its merits, and its problems, and using these forums, give constructive feed back.
But i do fear that char's who i will like in this expansion will end up as nothing but fodder come da 2, but i trust the devs not to cave in under ea pressure, and in part use fan's feed back to see what works and what doesn't.
Bratt1204 wrote..
Having a character as well written as Alistair and not expanding on him is a huge blunder in my opinion, it has so much potential. I believe we will not see Alistair (or Morrigan) again in proper context in any future expansions or sequels, that is so disappointing.
arcane-weirdo wrote...
There really is no point in bringing Alistair back(don''t shoot me Alimaniacs), his story is kinda finished after we see him as king in Awakening. Morrigan's story on the other hand, she's currently eating a croissant in Orlais with a god-demon-darkspawn-baby-thingy in her belly(epiiiiiiiiiccc).
arcane-weirdo wrote...
There really is no point in bringing Alistair back(don''t shoot me Alimaniacs), his story is kinda finished after we see him as king in Awakening. Morrigan's story on the other hand, she's currently eating a croissant in Orlais with a god-demon-darkspawn-baby-thingy in her belly(epiiiiiiiiiccc).
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Bratt1204 wrote...
Having a character as well written as Alistair and not expanding on him is a huge blunder in my opinion, it has so much potential. I believe we will not see Alistair (or Morrigan) again in proper context in any future expansions or sequels, that is so disappointing.
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