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[David Gaider]

Vengeful Nature wrote...
Yup. This. What I mean by Origins is Origins the game, not the origins. For example, if you don't import a save, who is king?

Ah yes, of course. Origins the game, not the feature.

Alistair is king by default.

[Nemesis7884]

haven't played far with the orlesian, there are some references to your past, but it's really not worth mentionning... at the beginning a little bit, but it really doesn't matter...would have been nice....but i can understand, the more specific a game is, the more different outcommings you need to implement - and honestly, i prefer having a game thats 50 hours long then one with 5 different ways each being 10 hours... but that's just me
by the way
WUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:
http://i853.photobuc...14215613325.jpg
when is the next expansion comming?

[Count Viceroy]

Cheers. Not that I'll ever play without importing, But cheers for telling us non the less

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...
That's exactly the situation that we wanted to avoid, since depending on how often you return to Vigil's Keep you could potentially have numerous prompted dialogues waiting. The KotOR-style "Carth looks like he wants to talk to you..." or characters waving their hands and shouting at you really seemed like they would be annoying in their own ways. Ultimately the goal is to prevent the player from feeling the need to repeatedly circulate amongst his followers and clicking on them only to discover that they have nothing new to say... that results in its own little break from immersion.

That totally makes sense and I guess I'll figure out how I like it on Tuesday. I suppose the thing that seems weak to me is not being able to go up to a companion and start a conversation, but rather completely depending on the companions to give the PC the ok to start conversations. It just seems like its taking control away from the player, even if the end result is the same as circulating through camp checking in on each companion to see if they have anything new to say.

I'm sure I'm making a mountain out of a molehill here, but does this new system cut back on the more expository dialogue and limit the conversations to only plot related aspects of the character? I mean it seems to me that in this sort of system its only the NPC starting dialogue so conversations like in DAO asking Leliana about stories or asking Morrigan or Alistair about their upbringing would be a bit more odd- Are the sompanions just going to be like " Hey, I wanted to talk to you about my upbringing living all alone in the Korcari Wilds."

I get the desire to limit the monotony of circulating through camp only to have no new conversations present themselves, but at the same time I always like being able to start a conversation with a companion and not be limitied to only talking with them when they have the plot arrow over their head. Maybe instead of the arrow or having them jump up and down, have it so that when the PC walks within a certain vicinity of the companion that has something new to say, the companion will say something or gesture to the PC- something that keeps the all important immersion and illusion of control by being able to initiate conversation.

[shedevil3001]

yes that is good then i didnt like anora she was too minipulative at least alistair cared about the people of ferelden and not just about been in power

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Fardragon wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

arcane-weirdo wrote...

There really is no point in bringing Alistair back(don''t shoot me Alimaniacs), his story is kinda finished after we see him as king in Awakening. Morrigan's story on the other hand, she's currently eating a croissant in Orlais with a god-demon-darkspawn-baby-thingy in her belly(epiiiiiiiiiccc).

Ones story is never over until they're dead, and in some cases even then it's not over. There is still plenty of room left for Alistair, really all characters, to grow if they so choose. Alistair becoming king actually opens up more doors and oppurnities than it closes. The question though is whether any growth is planned as part of the story and that's a little tougher to see. Not sure what direction the DA franchise is heading.

The only thing i don't like is a giant floating icon over their heads =P

That's kind of a strange and simplistic approach, wonder why they did that rather than having the NPC simply say something like "Can we talk?" when you approached their assigned spot in camp. Something like that isn't terribly difficult to implement and would feel more appropriate.

Agreed, there is more to Alistair and his background story from the book "The Calling".  I expect to see Alistair's story ended in DA 2. I think it will depend on how far the developers actually take the lore and also how much time will DA be supported before new and better titles.  Morrigan's demon baby I think will be what ends Alistair's story.  How many DA are we going to get.  The title will be put to bed, the question is when.  Will there be a DA 3 or just expansions into the various areas of Thedas?

I have a hunch Morrigan's baby will be cannon (with Alistair as farther). And I think Morrigan will be the antagonist in DA2 (which is why she was unavailable for the expansion - her story is already mapped out).

Oh, and somewhere down the line Morrigan's baby will be the player character... (I've played a lot of Bioware games)

If it's not the plot of DA2, then you can bet it's the plot of DG's next novel.

I agree, I'm thinking along those exact same lines. 


I'm hoping for a new book soon.  I read alot and I did as the website suggested and read the books before playing the game.  I really enjoyed having the lore background before hand.  This made my experience richer.  I really enjoyed this. 

[xCobalt]

So no signs of good looking mage equipment yet huh. Based on the pic you just posted, Nemesis, it seems equipment in general is the same.



Let me guess, some unique looking Massive gear though right?

[shedevil3001]

well i'm hoping for more novels by dg i'm nearly finished the calling :{

wont have anything to read til he writes more hopefully about alistairs time as king and maybe orlais invading again or the tevinter war hmmmmm minds pondering now

[Leon Elsa]

xCobalt wrote...

So no signs of good looking mage equipment yet huh. Based on the pic you just posted, Nemesis, it seems equipment in general is the same.

Let me guess, some unique looking Massive gear though right?

You know it. Oh well, what can we do?

[Vengeful Nature]

David Gaider wrote...

Vengeful Nature wrote...
Yup. This. What I mean by Origins is Origins the game, not the origins. For example, if you don't import a save, who is king?

Ah yes, of course. Origins the game, not the feature.

Alistair is king by default.

Nice, thanks very much. If possible, can you go into a little more detail? As in, DR/US/who was sided with in each treaty quest? Of course, if your prevented from making it public in some way, or just don't want to, or it will spoil stuff, don't tell me.

I'm just curious because both my 100% complete playthroughs aren't really optimal for importing. One is a PC US who is dead and therefore not carrying over, and the other is a great, living character who, for some reason I can't fathom now, didn't pick up half the NPC's. I think I wanted to keep it a small group, but I really regret the decision now and don't want to carry him over either. <_< I'm also kind of a perfectionist, so that doesn't help. 

[Nemesis7884]

well, i like the stuff that oghrens wearing the most (lookwise) as said - iam a fluff only player, i only go for the looks

warrior gear looks okay ALTOUGH - you need more helmets, also unique helmets - helmets and breas tarmor is what makes characters really differ



there also needs to be more different looking mage gear - also some nice hoods - i think the ones from dragon age really ugly



same goes for the rogue armors and helmets - REAAAAAAAAALLY ugly - it shouldnt be that hard to create nice gear - hundreds of roleplaying games have it (im thinking of coats, masks and hoods for thiefes)



but well...maybe in dragon age 2... i think realism is good, but only to the degree where you dont have to wear such ugly hats

[ankuu]

shedevil3001 wrote...

yes that is good then i didnt like anora she was too minipulative at least alistair cared about the people of ferelden and not just about been in power

all hail king alistair? :lol:he is a born king...i think arl eamon and the others got the idea in his head that he cannot lead. so he won't be a threat for cailan. :pinched:damn i am too obssesed. no more forum for me till tusday!


oh i agree on the mage clothing thing >< ugly like hell man! but i find shadow of the empire a nice armor. i am all for looks too!

Modifié par ankuu, 14 mars 2010 - 09:10 .

[EPhalse]

So, the story cannon is Alistair is the king. Which means that either canonically the Grey Warden (i.e. PC) sacrificed themselves or the ritual was made. Possibly Loghain died either in the trial by combat or sacrifice. Anora is either Queen or barred away, as Alistair wouldn't kill her. Oghren liked the PC enough to name their child after him, and he was married to his old flame. I would then assume that Morrigan is with child, though it is questionable. If Morrigan did get with child, it is then a question of, who is the canonical father, and is the PC Grey Warden Male?

Otherwise, interesting things seem to pop up for a Arcane Warrior, you know?

Modifié par EPhalse, 14 mars 2010 - 09:14 .

[Nemesis7884]

@DEVS: by the way, for future games, would be nice to give the players some hints of which compaions might be a good combination banter wise... of course sometimes you can think of it, but still it would be nice...maybe some deeper description of the characters...

[Nemesis7884]

allistair is wearing a nice armor and sword :-)



there is one sword that sets enemies afire :-)

[JaegerBane]

EPhalse wrote...

So, the story cannon is Alistair is the king. Which means that either canonically the Grey Warden (i.e. PC) sacrificed themselves or the ritual was made. Possibly Loghain died either in the trial by combat or sacrifice. Anora is either Queen or barred away, as Alistair wouldn't kill her. Oghren liked the PC enough to name their child after him, and he was married to his old flame. I would then assume that Morrigan is with child, though it is questionable. If Morrigan did get with child, it is then a question of, who is the canonical father, and is the PC Grey Warden Male?

Otherwise, interesting things seem to pop up for a Arcane Warrior, you know?

I always assumed that the male Grey Warden is canonically meant to have boned morrigan before the battle. The whole 'old god in child form' arc just wouldn't exist if he didn't.

[cachx]

Nemesis7884 wrote...
WUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:
http://i853.photobuc...14215613325.jpg
when is the next expansion comming?

As I expected, plate wearers look great, mages & rogues still look boring & silly

EPhalse wrote...
So, the story cannon is Alistair is the king. Which means that either canonically the Grey Warden (i.e. PC) sacrificed themselves or the ritual was made. Possibly Loghain died either in the trial by combat or sacrifice. Anora is either Queen or barred away, as Alistair wouldn't kill her. Oghren liked the PC enough to name their child after him, and he was married to his old flame. I would then assume that Morrigan is with child, though it is questionable. If Morrigan did get with child, it is then a question of, who is the canonical father, and is the PC Grey Warden Male?

Otherwise, interesting things seem to pop up for a Arcane Warrior, you know?

Default != Canon
I mean, Bioware is always pushing the concept of "your own story", enforcing canon just goes against that. That's why I don't like Morrigan fans thinking it's going to be the central theme of DA2, because the ritual is completely optional. 
If they're going to set canon, then they might as well just get rid of the import savegame thing and save a few bucks and development time.

Modifié par cachx, 14 mars 2010 - 09:27 .

[warden commander ctd]

im wondering should i go and buy this or just dowlaoad

[blademaster7]

Nothing is canon(yet) as far as I'm concerned. The game just gives you a default in case you don't have a save to import.

It just happens to be Alistair. I guess Anora would make more sense seeing how the PC was the one who put Alistair on the throne against his will, but oh well... Alistair is popular so they went with him.

Modifié par blademaster7, 14 mars 2010 - 09:27 .

[shedevil3001]

no its more likely coz hes marics son and anora isnt blood royalty so alistair is by birth right the king

[Cuthlan]

shedevil3001 wrote...

no its more likely coz hes marics son and anora isnt blood royalty so alistair is by birth right the king

Well, that and anyone that played Origins for a few hours met Alistair and have some connection to him. You don't see Anora until you're well into Origins, so someone who only played a bit of Origins then moved to Awakening wouldn't have a clue who she was. But they would recognize Alistair.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

That's right, Loghain was a commoner, not royal blood at all which means Anora is only connected to the throne by her marriage to Calian. Alistair is the rightful heir and last of the bloodline.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

warden commander ctd wrote...

im wondering should i go and buy this or just dowlaoad

I went with the DVD Rom, I don't like downloads. What would be better for your system would be your answer.

[Brockololly]

cachx wrote...
Default != Canon
I mean, Bioware is always pushing the concept of "your own story", enforcing canon just goes against that. That's why I don't like Morrigan fans thinking it's going to be the central theme of DA2, because the ritual is completely optional. 
If they're going to set canon, then they might as well just get rid of the import savegame thing and save a few bucks and development time.

True- but  I think the thing we have to keep in mind is that Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect; the devs have never said anything regarding how future DA games would or would not incorporate any kind of continuity based on player choices. While ME goes the whole continuity route, you can just as easily look at Baldur's Gate to Baldur's Gate 2 where they had canon of sorts with some of the characters.

Personally, I'm not sure the whole Ritual will be canon, but I think given how Morrigan is very much still alive and kicking at the end of DAO, Morrigan still has a role to play in the DA universe, Old God Baby or not...

Question for anyone with the game: Depending on how far along you are in the game, does it gve any hints as to where future DA games might go plot wise? And how ambiguous or tough are the moral dilemmas compared to DAO?

[Wowlock]

The thing about Canon is if you decide to start with a new character who wont involve with the past like Orlesian Grey Warden , then there has to be a Default setting. And that setting can be done by looking the books or lore.



There must be a planned story for further stories because if not there would be more then 1 games for every epilogue.



Since Morrigan and Alistair are the First Major companion and involved with the story more ( as you can see Morrigan will come for the Ritual even if you kick her out of party before ) its more likely they can be canon.



I am not defending '' Dragon Age should have a canon and every story must be bind to it '' but without it there is too many possibilities and many loops like US ending etc. And that can make the importing meaningless.



Other then this I dont have any problems with it.