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[TJSolo]

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kasumi



States the price has been set at 560 points(M$ and BW).

So 7bucks for the same level of content Zaeed has.



"The price is wrong, B...Bob"

[Commander Darmok]

TJSolo wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kasumi

States the price has been set at 560 points(M$ and BW).
So 7bucks for the same level of content Zaeed has.

"The price is wrong, B...Bob"

When will people stop accepting wikis as fact?  It's entirely possible, but it's a little early to be cementing that price.

[CatatonicMan]

Naughty Bear wrote...

You Humans are so strange. The more you get, the more you want. Why can't you just be satisfied about what you get?

Nobody likes being nickeled-and-dimed to death; all these micro-transactions are incredibly annoying.

As far as pricing is concerned...

If Kasumi is about 1 hour of playtime, and the game is about 40 hours of playtime, then it is worth about ($60/40h*1h=)  $1.50, which is the most I would pay.

I have a small feeling that said content is going to be at least $5. 

Modifié par CatatonicMan, 13 mars 2010 - 02:53 .

[TJSolo]

Commander Darmok wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kasumi

States the price has been set at 560 points(M$ and BW).
So 7bucks for the same level of content Zaeed has.

"The price is wrong, B...Bob"

When will people stop accepting wikis as fact?  It's entirely possible, but it's a little early to be cementing that price.

Well I rather post the wiki.
Before you declaim wiki as a the next-biggest evil on the internet. Why don't you go to the wiki and follow its' reference to a Polish(I think) article with the quoted rates.

It is on the high side. Given the factors that this is a test by EA; I find it probable that the price for the amount of content with be above average.

Modifié par TJSolo, 13 mars 2010 - 02:57 .

[babies8mydingo]

Bustercube wrote...

A new sqaudmate with 1+ hour(s) of gamplay (Zaeed)
A new Vehicle with 5+ hours of gamplay (Hammerhead)
A new quest with 2+ hours or gamplay (Normandy Crash site)

Seriously, have you actually used this content, Normandy Crash site is like 10 mins tops! I've liked all the CN stuff (especially Zaeed and the shotgun) but these times are rediculously exagerated.

[RAIDENKUN]

Actually 100 hours would make it worth 60 cents. The moral of the story is that no matter which way you cut it, Kasumi isn't worth $5.

[WilliamShatner]

DLC should be free and used to reward fans. Case in point what Valve has been doing for the past 12 years. Is there any other company with as much fan and industry respect as Valve? They've completely retooled the engine of their games a number of times, which I imagine is a significant workload, probably more than creating a couple of mission, and given the new version to fans for free.

[CatatonicMan]

RAIDENKUN wrote...

Actually 100 hours would make it worth 60 cents. The moral of the story is that no matter which way you cut it, Kasumi isn't worth $5.

If you assume 40 hours/game, and you assume that you use Kasumi in every game, then the relative cost doesn't change: 2 games = (40 hours + 1 hour Kasumi)*2

mrfoo1 wrote...

Firstly, you choose to be nickle and dimed. DLC content is not content that is ment to be shipped with the game. Framework or otherwise doesn't mean it was intended to be in the ORIGINAL RELEASE (caps for specification) it's additional content. Not manditory or anything. You don't demand the mini bar items be free when you go to a hotel do you?

That's a ridiculous statement. I didn't choose Bioware's marketing strategy; I didn't have any say in whether Bioware released the game before it was complete (this is my opinion), and I have yet to pay for any micro DLC (for any game).  

I don't mind large expansions and things of that nature, but I personally despise the micro-transaction model; I find it insulting, and I refuse to participate (unless, the prices are actually reasonable, though most of the time they are far from it).

No, it isn't mandatory; but when I buy a game, I prefer to have the entire game. If they keep addling on little fiddly bits, it makes my purchase feel less valuable, less complete. It makes my OCD flip out.

As for the mini-bar, I refuse to use that as well; I'd rather buy a reasonably priced meal than an overpriced nibble..

As a side note, I actually might buy mini-DLC if I thought the developers deserved the extra dosh (I've bought TF2 3 times for this reason). Bioware did too many things in ME2 that I didn't like to excuse micro-transactions.

Modifié par CatatonicMan, 13 mars 2010 - 03:38 .

[RAIDENKUN]

@ CatatonicMan

I think mrfoo's point was that if the Kasumi DLC value is calculated from game cost/ gameplay time, then the DLC value would increase if you played multiple playthroughs, thereby increasing the amount of gameplay time derived per disc (hours/game disc not hours/playthrough). Obviously the math proves that as incorrect (my point with the $0.60 calculation). I agree with you for the most part. It's not worth $5. $1.50 maybe. But based on the status quo of Cerberus network releases I'd say "free" is the proper price tag for Kasumi.

[hex23]

Dethateer wrote...

No, I would have rather they released her for free, since, y'know, it's cut content from a game we already payed for. Like Zaeed and the Hammerhead. And the Collector AR along with the Blackstorm.

Prove it's cut content. You can't. It's impossible.

It's a place holder random NPC, her dossier and her dialogue. That's it. Hardly anything significant, and definitely not enough to talk about "they cut her from the game!".

Her actual Loyalty mission, power, real character model, and the area her Loyalty mission takes place in isn't in the game. So basically maybe 5% of her content is in.

You're wildly jumping to conclusions.

Modifié par hex23, 13 mars 2010 - 03:36 .

[DomerPyle]

while it is definitely premature to deem the cerberus network a failure, i've always been against paid-for (yes, PAID, not "payed") DLC, unless wrapped up in a nice neat package like Knights of the Nine, and will not be buying Kasumi. especially since i already have 11 other characters, most of which i don't use anyway .

[RAIDENKUN]

@ hex23

I don't think anyone's actually suggesting that Kasumi was fully integrated into the game and then removed before shipment. The problem lies in the sentiment on Bioware's part, that they had Kasumi in mind well before the game shipped but didn't fully add her into the game before release. Instead they are releasing her after-the-fact AND charging for it.

[CatatonicMan]

hex23 wrote...

Prove it's cut content. You can't. It's impossible.

It's a place holder random NPC, her dossier and her dialogue. That's it. Hardly anything significant, and definitely not enough to talk about "they cut her from the game!".

Her actual Loyalty mission, power, real character model, and the area her Loyalty mission takes place in isn't in the game. So basically maybe 5% of her content is in.

You're wildly jumping to conclusions.

To be perfectly fair, there isn't any way to prove that it wasn't cut content, either - unless you are willing to accept Bioware's word on it.

I personally wouldn't accept Bioware as a reliable source in this instance (though they are likely the only ones who would actually know the answer), if only because they have a potential conflict of interest.

[hex23]

xDarkicex wrote...

I would love to know how many of the people that are on the side of bioware about charging for something that was already in the game; have a job or are paying for DLC for themselves?

I'd like to pose the same question to everyone complaining about paying for it. Seriously, is $5 or $7 that big a deal? It's approximately 90 minutes worth of content. That's close to what you'd pay for a movie.

Do you guys all work at McDonald's or something? People are sittng here typing paragraphs raging over $5.

[hex23]

RAIDENKUN and CatatonicMan:



Exactly. It can't be proven either way, so why sit here and make threads and whine and type paragraphs about how it's unfair that it got cut, when you don't know?



Not you two, I mean whoever. I'm saying "chill out, because you have no way to prove that". I dunno if it was cut and honestly don't care, because unless I pull a "Burn Notice" and break into Bioware I have no way of ever finding out. So it's not worth nerdraging over.

[CatatonicMan]

hex23 wrote...

I'd like to pose the same question to everyone complaining about paying for it. Seriously, is $5 or $7 that big a deal? It's approximately 90 minutes worth of content. That's close to what you'd pay for a movie. 

Do you guys all work at McDonald's or something? People are sittng here typing paragraphs raging over $5.

There's no harm (quite the opposite, in fact) with desiring to get your monies' worth, regardless of how much dosh you are pulling down.

More to the matter at hand, I'd say that it really isn't about the money (at least for me; I'm an engineer); it's the principle of the thing. Micro-transactions tend to encourage paying too much for not enough and discourage more extensive, meaningful, and worthwhile content.

Modifié par CatatonicMan, 13 mars 2010 - 03:59 .

[TJSolo]

hex23 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

I would love to know how many of the people that are on the side of bioware about charging for something that was already in the game; have a job or are paying for DLC for themselves?

I'd like to pose the same question to everyone complaining about paying for it. Seriously, is $5 or $7 that big a deal? It's approximately 90 minutes worth of content. That's close to what you'd pay for a movie.

Do you guys all work at McDonald's or something? People are sittng here typing paragraphs raging over $5.

Their 60-90min estimate is just an estimate. If you played their other DLC with like estimates, the actual play time would be 30-45min.

There is no reason to try and insult someone over a price they are unwilling to pay. The cost for DLC could be more and people could still technically be able to afford $20 or more but it isn't reasonable. 
This is just the first installment of pay2play DLC and EA Bioware is looking to set a precedent with pricing.
I would rather make it known now that the price needs to be reasonable rather than EA Bioware setting a higher price to see how high they can charge.

[Chakku Sama]

So we do have to pay for a loser squad mate, well I'll not pay.



Least Firewalker will be free.

[RAIDENKUN]

It's not the cost that matters. When it comes to video games, my justification has always been that compared hour for hour to a movie, games most always have a better value (I'm glad, by the way to hear somebody has such a similar attitude). The problem lies in the principle of charging for the DLC. CN was supposed to circumvent paying for frivolous DLC such as Kasumi seems to be, an hour at most of entertainment. As I said earlier, I paid for both ME1 DLCs against my better judgment because I wanted a complete game. I'll do it again if I have to. It just seems foolish to charge for such insignificant content at a point so early in the ME2 (and therefore CN) lifespan.

[DomerPyle]

hex23 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

I would love to know how many of the people that are on the side of bioware about charging for something that was already in the game; have a job or are paying for DLC for themselves?

I'd like to pose the same question to everyone complaining about paying for it. Seriously, is $5 or $7 that big a deal? It's approximately 90 minutes worth of content. That's close to what you'd pay for a movie.

Do you guys all work at McDonald's or something? People are sittng here typing paragraphs raging over $5.

$5-$7 bucks can by a decent amount of alcohol. alcohol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DLC content.

[CatatonicMan]

scyphozoa wrote...

you can't buy a "decent" amount of alcohol for 5-7 dollars though 8)

You can get a decent amount for that, though maybe not of decent quality.

[Keep iTxSlick]

TJSolo wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Kasumi

States the price has been set at 560 points(M$ and BW).
So 7bucks for the same level of content Zaeed has.

"The price is wrong, B...Bob"

Haha, you aren't the only one that feels that way man. I'm deffinately not going to pay since it says my Cerberus Network Card has already been used. Mass Effect 1 and 2 are great games but every time i see the Connect to Cerberus Network option i get quite annoyed. They should deffinetely remove that option if they plan on looting their customers.