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[OneBadAssMother]

The damn rifle is seriously misplaced on your back. Hence I never used it. All it did was cause me an annoyance of making sure NONE of my squad members use it (they default to it)

[Tlazolteotl]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

The damn rifle is seriously misplaced on your back. Hence I never used it. All it did was cause me an annoyance of making sure NONE of my squad members use it (they default to it)

Yeah, I know!
I was like ... I shouldn't even pick it up, but it's there and I can't help myself.
Then I was like ... should I temporarily set the difficulty down for the 15 seconds it takes to load the mission, just so it won't be there?

I went with going to the weapons locker and manually switching everyone to vindicator.

[TheBellTolls4Me]

OniGanon wrote...

The GPR looks/sounds awesome. That's the best reason to use it.

Seriously.

This.

It's seriously all a matter of personal preference. I like the GPR's accuracy, and I can't stand how slow the vindicator fires.

Needless to say, I said "screw the accuracy" and got the Revenant. *whistles innocently* To be fair, I probably should've gone with the widow, although the Mantis isn't exactly bad... Honestly, I haven't played enough with the widow on my infiltrator to say how much more useful it is compared to the mantis.

[cruc1al]

TheBellTolls4Me wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

The GPR looks/sounds awesome. That's the best reason to use it.

Seriously.

This.

It's seriously all a matter of personal preference. I like the GPR's accuracy, and I can't stand how slow the vindicator fires.

Needless to say, I said "screw the accuracy" and got the Revenant. *whistles innocently* To be fair, I probably should've gone with the widow, although the Mantis isn't exactly bad... Honestly, I haven't played enough with the widow on my infiltrator to say how much more useful it is compared to the mantis.

Most of the time, it takes one shot to drop regular opponent with the widow, but two shots with the mantis. With mantis, you have to rely on squad mate powers or you'll run out of ammo.

[Ackillez]

Dense people ITT

[Ollympian]

Do you have learning difficulties?

[theriddlen]

I dont like Vindicator, i always run out of ammo in no time. In my gamestyle (compared to "aggresive" gameplays on youtube, mine is "crazy psycho") i need lot of ammo, and i dont care about accuracy - i just push forward, and i need heavy support, not three rounds. And thats where the GPR does great. Unluckily, its look really sucks. 

Modifié par theriddlen, 13 mars 2010 - 08:08 .

[incinerator950]

I prefer the Geth Pulse Rifle over the Vindicator.

[Serillen]

The GPR is about as good overall as the Avenger and Collector rifles, the Vindicator and Rev blow the others out of the water from a dps perspective. Only drawback for the Vindicator is its limited ammo capacity, but using the viper to start fights tends to negate that issue. I really do wish the Avenger was a better gun, its my favorite looking rifle out of the lot heh.

Modifié par Serillen, 14 mars 2010 - 02:13 .

[Xaijin]

cruc1al wrote...

DesolCobra wrote...

swk3000 wrote...

The Geth Pulse Rifle has low damage, but a high rate of fire and a high ammo capacity. It's not necessarily a bad weapon, but you'll get better results out of the Vindicator just about every time.

The only exception is against taking down shields like Adepts.  I use GPR for my Adept because i want the shields gone ASAP then throw three warp (Miranda + Thane) at it if armored (YMIR) for quick kills.

So.. um.. in a nutshell.. situationally useful

Wrong. The Vindicator is about 2x as fast at taking down shields compared to the GPR. The Vindicator should be much more useful for the Adept, since the Adept has so many abilities he shouldn't run out of ammo with it.

Want proof? See sig.

Also, the vindicator is more accurate.

Sorry, but except for accuracy, no. You haven't covered critical zone damage, you haven covered state damage in ragdoll knckdown, you haven't covered full stacking on weapon and damage type upgrades and There's rather little "unbiased" about your tests. Not comprehensive, no complete, of little use.

[cruc1al]

Xaijin wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

DesolCobra wrote...

swk3000 wrote...

The Geth Pulse Rifle has low damage, but a high rate of fire and a high ammo capacity. It's not necessarily a bad weapon, but you'll get better results out of the Vindicator just about every time.

The only exception is against taking down shields like Adepts.  I use GPR for my Adept because i want the shields gone ASAP then throw three warp (Miranda + Thane) at it if armored (YMIR) for quick kills.

So.. um.. in a nutshell.. situationally useful

Wrong. The Vindicator is about 2x as fast at taking down shields compared to the GPR. The Vindicator should be much more useful for the Adept, since the Adept has so many abilities he shouldn't run out of ammo with it.

Want proof? See sig.

Also, the vindicator is more accurate.

Sorry, but except for accuracy, no. You haven't covered critical zone damage, you haven covered state damage in ragdoll knckdown, you haven't covered full stacking on weapon and damage type upgrades and There's rather little "unbiased" about your tests. Not comprehensive, no complete, of little use.

1) Explain to me what is "critical zone damage".
2) Ragdoll cannot be caused when the target is shielded
3) Why would stacking of weapon damage upgrades and ammo damage be any different for the GPR than for VIndicator? They're both assault rifles. They both use the same ammo.

There is no bias in my tests in the sense that I would 'prefer' one weapon over another and make it look better because of that. I truthfully attempted to find out which weapon does more damage, and the Vindicator, according to that test, is the clear winner. Why do you not think it is?

Modifié par cruc1al, 14 mars 2010 - 02:39 .

[Roxlimn]

crucial:

Try this test:

Intentionally miss every other burst with a Vindicator, and then compare to a GPR at mid range that you do NOT pulse, but merely aim in the general direction where the enemy is roughly within the expanded crosshairs. This is to simulate someone who has bad aim.  You can also more or less slightly lengthen the between-burst time of the Vindicator, or just let it autofire at the set rate when you hold the mouse down.

Modifié par Roxlimn, 14 mars 2010 - 03:44 .

[WillieStyle]

Roxlimn wrote...

crucial:

Try this test:

Intentionally miss every other burst with a Vindicator...

Why take the time to test this?  Just take whatever your dps is when you don't miss and cut it in half.

[WillieStyle]

Xaijin wrote...

Sorry, but except for accuracy, no. You haven't covered critical zone damage, you haven covered state damage in ragdoll knckdown, you haven't covered full stacking on weapon and damage type upgrades and There's rather little "unbiased" about your tests. Not comprehensive, no complete, of little use.

Why would any of the things you mentioned affect the relative ranking of Assault Rifles?  The only one of these that might is "critical zone damage," by which I assume you mean headshots.  But the Vindicator is the most accurate Assault Rifle in the game, so even if you consider headshots, the GPR is still terrible.

Cruc1al's tests are very informative. Your post... not so much.

[FoFoZem]

Xaijin wrote...



Sorry, but except for accuracy, no. You haven't covered critical zone damage, you haven covered state damage in ragdoll knckdown, you haven't covered full stacking on weapon and damage type upgrades and There's rather little "unbiased" about your tests. Not comprehensive, no complete, of little use.

From a statistical standpoint you don't want to include those things. He is, in a statistical sense, erasing bias, which you ironically have created.

He had a control for his tests. A Geth Prime with X amount of shields. Perfectly legal experiment wise.

Including headshot damage would defunk the experiment.
--but most of his tests do a headshot comparison.

Not all players have the ability to ragdoll, do a headshot or access damage upgrades at any given situation. Of course everything is modified by those factors, but his comparisons are in regard to base damage.

[swk3000]

GPR vs Vindicator: I'm forced to agree with cruc1al's earlier point: Vindicator does do a better job of stripping protection. I restart regularly, and I've done Garrus' Recruitment Mission multiple times on Insanity. The Blood Pack portion of the mission was pure hell when using the Collector Assault Rifle, because it would take one full clip to strip a Vorcha's Armor, then another 2 clips to actually kill it. With the Vindicator, a single three-round burst stripped it's armor, and two more bursts had it dead.



The Vindicator is actually better at stripping protection because it does more damage per shot.

[Grand_Commander13]

A lot more damage per shot. Like "twice as much as the CAR" a lot. And then that burst is pretty accurate, so head hunting is a lot easier with it.

Like I said: ammo shouldn't be a problem with the Vindicator because of its raw power, and ammo is the only conceivable reason not to use it.

[Athenau]

Ammo is a problem for the Vindicator as a primary weapon. Not so much if you use a sniper rifle regularly though.

[Aryck the One]

Does anyone have the Collector Rifle? Awesome weapon. Fun to shoot, cool sound effects, but it's downright ugly.

The Geth Pulse Rifle is alright, but for the most part it's just an Avenger with a different skin, better shield penetration, and different sound effects. Not to mention t looks kind of wierd on you back for some reason.

They should have made the GPR a semi-autimatic combat rifle like the Covenant Carbine in Halo. Fast as you can pull the trigger, bonus headshot damage a shiled penetration.That would have been much better, in my opinion.

Still, it's better than the non-upgradeable version in ME1. That thing sucked.

Modifié par Aryck1095 V2, 14 mars 2010 - 06:18 .

[Comtar]

I admit I missed the Geth Pulse Rifle on my first run through... was so excited to see Tali I just ran up and hugged her I totally forgot to check the floor in front of her.



Wouldn't have known it was there the first time even if I tripped over it... I mean it's Tali!

[Grand_Commander13]

Was your first playthrough Hardcore or Insanity? The GPR is selected by default when that door opens, so it's quite improbable it was there and you missed it.

[Thompson family]

On Insanity, the Geth Pulse Rifle's high rate of fire burns through ammo, which means you spend a higher proportion of your time reloading. This is not a problem if you're careful, but if you miss or pour too much fire into one target, you'll get killed in close quarters combat while reloading.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Guys, it's all about the Geth Pulse Pistol. Honestly, it's DPS just trounces the GPR and it can be used by Sentinels=god mode.

[kinsha22]

I actually liked the GPR for it's supposedly efficient ammo. At least that's what the wiki says. It's supposed to pick up the most rounds of all the guns per clip picked up. To be honest though, I found it's not as effective as I'd like against shields. On insanity it'd take like...2 or even 3 clips to take down a geth hunter's shields...which usually had me eating shotgun pellets to the face.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Use. The. GPP.