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[quote]Blackveldt wrote...



Actually, they were both being promoted in that video.  Nevertheless,
anything Bioware does will promote the game and thereby promote the
protagonist(s) in the

game.[/quote]



Hence why I said, "was one of the people being promoted in that
video". You apparently don't read before hitting the reply button.



[quote]Blackveldt wrote...

You asked for a video with female Shepard; I gave it to you.  Now you are
arguing about the nature of the video?  You're searching for
crumbs.[/quote]



You're simply not providing any thing of substance. I said in all the official
promos for the game (i.e. trailers, art, etc), Shepard is shown to be a man.
You linked to a video showcasing the lead voice actors and futily attempted to use
that as evidence that Shepard is gender neutral.



[quote]Blackveldt

wrote...



Actually, I did; I stated that it was in error to confuse or even correlate
marketing ploys with fictional writing.  Do you not understand this
point?  What I am saying is that it does not matter how "Shepard is
shown" it is not part of the story.[/quote]



I never confused marketing with writing. That's an assumption you made  when you replied to me. I have never
said that because Shepard is shown as a male in promos that it correlates to
the written word. What I am saying - and pay attention here - is that the
promos matter just as much as whatever the comics and novels say. In the case
of Mass Effect, EA/Bio are using one to sell the other. So showing Shepard as a
male in promos means that when you read an EU story, that's the canon Shepard
you should have in mind. You don't seem to understand this point. You're
basically arguing that they can promote Shepard as a male and then make him
gender neutral in the stories.



[quote]Blackveldt wrote...

I do not believe Shepard's gender is in question; I believe that Shepard is a
man, but also a woman depending upon the audience--this is not an either/or
deal.  More like a create-your-own-adventure.  Think (good God, I
can't believe I'm using this as an example):  Goosebumps[/i].[/quote]



Shepard is both male and female for the players of the game[/b], but when it comes time to have a canon version of the
character, he is shown as male. You need to accept this.



[quote]Blackveldt wrote...



But I will humor you:



You bring up marketing again, using another fallacious argument and
talking in circles.  If I am reading a book about a certain character,
marketing is not going to change that character; they are not correlated or
related in any manner.  To bring them up as if they are is almost a
non-sequitur.  If I read Alice in
Wonderland[/i], Alice is going to be seven years old; a picture of an 18
year-old model of 'Alice' will not change this.  Same goes for comics or
any other form of written entertainment.  I do not pay attention to
marketing  because marketing
doesn't write the story; the writers do--I read and listen to them[/i].  I'm in it for the
story.  If the writers write Shepard as male, then he would be male--no
problem.  But they don't.  To apply your supposed rule that
marketing/sales dictates storyline to any other fictional work would be
ridiculous.  Why are you singling out Mass Effect?[/quote]



You like to use the word fallacy a lot. Too bad you don't know what it means,
but ironically, your thoughts above are a prime example of a fallacious
argument. You changed the circumstances to suit your point, which completely
nullifies your

fallacious argument. Let me point out where you went so terribly wrong:



Unlike Alice in Wonderland, Mass Effect was not "written" nor
"played" before promo art was created for it. EA/Bio knew what
Shepard looked like way before we ever played the game and that's the model
they've used since to sell the game to audiences. This is not an example of an
existing product being marketed to a new audience and thus, the marketing
department crafted some generic male soldier to sell to the 18-34 demographic.
ME, and the canon Shepard, was created and marketed first, with a Shepard with
physical attributes. They were kind enough to give RPG players the option of
playing as a female Shep if we choose, but you seem to believe that because we
were given that freedom, that it somehow nullifies what the development team
created. That somehow their Shepard is no longer the real one just because
you've grown too attached to yours. That is not so.



I'll give you a better example than the sloppy one you provided. Imagine if you
saw trailers, posters, artwork, etc., for a new movie starring Tom Hanks as a
detective, but when you go to the movies his character is played by Jennifer
Aniston. That is called false advertising and most audiences would be confused
and feel ripped-off.



Feel however you want about your FemShep, but in all the official promos for
the game, Shepard is a shown as male. There's nothing wrong with that and
people need to get real and stop believing that their personal Shep is the real
one. We all play with our own Sheps and we were given the right to, but that
doesn't cancel out the canon version - which is the guy who appears on the
cover of the damn box.



This. Is. Shepard.

www.blogcdn.com/news.bigdownload.com/media/2009/11/masseffect2boxartnov17.jpg



End of discussion.

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