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[RShara]

ME 2 has lots of homages to different sci fi franchises. It's part of what makes it awesome

The ending scene where, if you didn't do a certain upgrade, a certain character gets a beam through the chest springs to mind. Also, I know Miranda is a common enough name, but every time I hear it, I think of the planet Miranda where the Reavers were created.

[EricHVela]

Here's the ultimate proof of Joss Whedon's hand in it (other than the presence of Seth Green): THE MAIN HERO CAN DIE!!!!!

That's like Joss' trademark, ya know.

[slicer477]

RShara wrote...

ME 2 has lots of homages to different sci fi franchises. It's part of what makes it awesome
The ending scene where, if you didn't do a certain upgrade, a certain character gets a beam through the chest springs to mind. Also, I know Miranda is a common enough name, but every time I hear it, I think of the planet Miranda where the Reavers were created.

That certain beam goes through the drell assassin Thane, believe me I know from experience

[Ellipsisman]

Don't forget the Blue Sun Corp... remind anyone of a certain Merc group?

[gamerdude916]

Azint wrote...

Bloodhowl5429 wrote...

FIREFLY RULES!!!!!!

Yes.

damn you FOX....

[Cascadus]

Ignoring the obvious fallacies in these 'comparisons; (the only solid one would be Zaeed and Ysin'Mal, but both of those constitute as BioWare putting out a shout-out rather than stealing anything), stop all this Mass Effect = Firefly business. If Mass Effect equals Firefly, that means EA turns into Fox and BioWare turns into The Joss and you know where that leads...

[gamerdude916]

Cascadus wrote...

Ignoring the obvious fallacies in these 'comparisons; (the only solid one would be Zaeed and Ysin'Mal, but both of those constitute as BioWare putting out a shout-out rather than stealing anything), stop all this Mass Effect = Firefly business. If Mass Effect equals Firefly, that means EA turns into Fox and BioWare turns into The Joss and you know where that leads...

damn you EA....

[superimposed]

slicer477 wrote...

Devidose wrote...

slicer477 wrote...

I watched the 'Serenity' sci fi movie last night and I noticed some similarities to Mass Effect...

Like there is a council representitive with maximum clearance- basically just like a spectre.
There's Someone in it whose name is "Shepard".
The Alliance is the human faction.
There are "Reavers" or geth,  perhaps where "Reapers" comes from.
There is a chase across the galaxy.

hmm it all just seems pretty similar to me... copywrite bioware?

Operatives are unknown, the only reason Book knows about them is a hinted shady past with the Alliance. Spectres however, are known by the galaxy community.
Shepard Book is a religious man, Shepard, is his title, not name.
There isn't any other race in the Serenity world, tho'.
The Reavers have more in common with Husks than anything else, and both the names Reavers and Reapers have occured many times in other stories.

Sorry to nit pick, but the similiarties aren't really strong enough to think ME has things based this much off Firefly.

well while there is no direct replication in story it is still similar and it may copy from other volumes aswell.
Well atleast it doesn't blatantly steal from other games like Darksiders does.

Darksiders doesn't steal.

Or, otherwise, God of War Steals. Devil May Cry steals, Legend of Zelda steals. Everything people accuse Darksiders of 'stealing' seem to ignore that every one of those games had something similar which came before it.

[slicer477]

superimposed wrote...

slicer477 wrote...

Devidose wrote...

slicer477 wrote...

I watched the 'Serenity' sci fi movie last night and I noticed some similarities to Mass Effect...

Like there is a council representitive with maximum clearance- basically just like a spectre.
There's Someone in it whose name is "Shepard".
The Alliance is the human faction.
There are "Reavers" or geth,  perhaps where "Reapers" comes from.
There is a chase across the galaxy.

hmm it all just seems pretty similar to me... copywrite bioware?

Operatives are unknown, the only reason Book knows about them is a hinted shady past with the Alliance. Spectres however, are known by the galaxy community.
Shepard Book is a religious man, Shepard, is his title, not name.
There isn't any other race in the Serenity world, tho'.
The Reavers have more in common with Husks than anything else, and both the names Reavers and Reapers have occured many times in other stories.

Sorry to nit pick, but the similiarties aren't really strong enough to think ME has things based this much off Firefly.

well while there is no direct replication in story it is still similar and it may copy from other volumes aswell.
Well atleast it doesn't blatantly steal from other games like Darksiders does.

Darksiders doesn't steal.

Or, otherwise, God of War Steals. Devil May Cry steals, Legend of Zelda steals. Everything people accuse Darksiders of 'stealing' seem to ignore that every one of those games had something similar which came before it.

Well all I'm saying is when I played it I noticed alot of things it had taken from other games;
e.i,  overly large sword (final fantasy), ceiling leech things (half-life), Time control (prince of persia), Portals - red and blue circled (Portal), Balrog form, or whatever they called it (Lotr).... etc

Now forgive my terrible memory to name every item correctly but if you played darksiders and those games you'll know what im talking about.

p.s, i never played god of war, devil may cry (never finished) or zelda so i can't comment on them.

[entropus]

<WARNING - spoiles for Serenity the movie)

I may be overreacting, therefore PLEASE tell me, in which of the subjects below the ME franchise and Firefly/Serenity franchise are just coincidentally similar, and in which the similarity is far beyond coincidence:

1
The Serenity flies through a field of debris of ships to get to the location of the end quest.
The Normandy flies through a field of debris of ships to get to the location of the end quest.
(both scenes are like TOTALLY the same!!1!)

2
The Serenity has to be painted and modified (human corpses hanging on the ship, damaged plating) in order to get to the homeworld of Reavers.
Normandy has to get Reaper IFF to get to Collectors base.

3
The Alliance in Serenity is a group that wants to further the development of humans through any means necessary.
The Cerberus in ME2 is a group that wants to further the development of humans through any means necessary.

4
The Captain is a true leader.

5
Reavers eat humans.
Collector melt humans and process them.

6

Reavers are transformed humans.
Collectors are transformed Protheans

7
The crew of Serenity meets a hologram of a person who presents the history behind the events of the movie (creation of Reavers)
The crew of Normandy meets a hologram of a person who presents the history behind the events of the game (truth about the Reapers)

8
The Serenity reveals an information about creation of Reaver the Alliance wants to hide.
The Normandy wants to reveal information about existence of Reaers the Council wants to hide ("ah, the Reapers").

9
The Captain gives speeches to the crew.

10
The beam the Reaver ship uses against Serenity looks and sounds 95% the same as the beam used by Collector cruiser used against Normandy.

11
The mission to the Reavers is refered to as "suicidal".
Mission to Collector base is referd to as "suicide mission".

12
Captain of Serenity, during the suicide mission, leaves the crew on a barricade to hold position against the Reavers, while he accomplishes the final task of the quest (reveal the origin of Reavers).
Captain of Normandy, during the suicide mission, leaves the crew (except for 2 ppl) on a barricade to hold position against the Collectors, while he accomplishes the final task of the quest (kill the Reaper).

13
During the suicide mission, the door blocking the attack of Reavers/Collectors fails to close. A technician specialist (Kaylee for Serenity / Legion, Tali for ME2) is needed to close them.

14
The "health elixir" is in form of a quickly applied foam - Serenity.
The "health elixir" is in form of a quickly applied gel - Normandy.

15
Crew memebers die during suicide mission.

16
Dogtags of dead crewmembers are collected (end of Serenity).
Dogtags of dead crew members are collected (Normandy Crash Site DLC).

17
There is a monument similar to Serenity, which resembles a vertically starting rocket (the funeral fo Mr Universe, Wash, Book).
There is a monument commemorating Normandy, which resembles a vertically starting space ship.

18
Nobody gets through the Omega 4 Relay. (me2)
Not even the Alliance goes into Reaver space. (serenity)

19
Kaylee, the tech spec, has funny conversations refering to sex/romance.
Tali, the tech spec, has funny conversations refering to sex/romance.

20
Only highest authority (Council) can give orders to Spectres.
Only highest authority (Alliance) can give orders to operatives.

21
The biotic specialist, Jake, who has serious anger management problems, was created in a secret laboratory of a clandestine organization, which will stop at nothing to further the development of humanity.
The psychic specialist, River, who has serious anger management problems, was created in a secret laboratory of a clandestine organization, which will stop at nothing to further the development of humanity.

Modifié par entropus, 02 avril 2010 - 10:08 .

[Azint]

One of Joker's random lines mentions pulling off a "Crazy Ivan".

[stewie1974]

Ellipsisman wrote...

Don't forget the Blue Sun Corp... remind anyone of a certain Merc group?

Yes Blue Suns and Miranda I find are the biggest tip of the hat to firefly/serenity.

I think these are all subtle hat tips though, It's definitely not the same universe, the technology is different and there is one big huge difference between the universes....   there are NO aliens in firefly ((reavers are not alien, they established that in the pilot episode of firefly))... and there are no Virtual Intelligenges or A.I's... or robots.. mister universes machine dosn't qualify as a an A.I or even a V.I... at best it's an interactive /recording robot... 

Modifié par stewie1974, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:54 .

[KenLyns]

Everything in ME is derived from some other movie or TV show. The Consort >> Companions in Firefly. Krogans >> Klingons in Star Trek. Rachni >> Bugs from Starship Troopers. Hell, the turian anthem "Die for the Cause" is probably inspired by  "Good Day to Die" in Starship Troopers 3. Another good reason for nude scenes in ME.

Now when are we going to see Summer Glau doing voiceovers in ME?
 

Modifié par KenLyns, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[upsettingshorts]

There's a ton of things in the game - including in this thread as being either exclusives to or direct references of Serenity/Firefly - that could also be applied to Babylon 5.

You know, the much better show that actually got a 5 year run.

That being said, reduce characters, settings, and themes down enough and you can do threads like this in your sleep.

Firefly - and all other serial, non-Trek science fiction - wouldn't have made it on the air without the success of B5.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:31 .

[Nightwriter]

Engine room sex.

[KainrycKarr]

As much as I love Firefly/Serenity, no, the instances that you point out are nothing but grasping at straws.

[TuringPoint]

ME pays homage in certain ways, and in other ways it follows what are apparently loose conventions of sci fi or adventure genres.

[Zan51]

There are only 7 plots in all of literature, guys. It is inevitable there will be overlaps all over the place.
They are,
1 - [wo]man vs. nature
2 - [wo]man vs. man
3 - [wo]man vs. the environment
4 - [wo]man vs. machines/technology
5 - [wo]man vs. the supernatural
6 - [wo]man vs. self
7 - [wo]man vs. god/religion

http://answers.googl...dview?id=210539

I could make similarities with Tolkein.

Mad flight through debris to Mount Doom - all over the latter part of the trilogy, particularly where they get picked up by Boromir's brother in a war zone.
The Mines of Moria is another war zone of rubble.

Major cast member dies and is reborn - Gandalf.
Major cast member dies - Boromir.

Orcs - well, where do I start? They eat everyone. Same with goblins.

Rangers - Specters...

I could go on, but I think I made the point.

I think they are is as Homages. After all there are Wayland Yutani crates from Aliens in Firefly you know! Joss was directing in Alien 4.

Modifié par Zan51, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:48 .

[upsettingshorts]

And even Tolkein's work was derivative - in some aspects - of classical literature.

Everyone has their own frame of reference and thus, we compare things within them.  If we've seen Firefly and Mass Effect, we compare them.  Or Babylon 5 and Mass Effect.

Or you can go deeper and read Faust or Paradise Lost, or deeper than that and delve into Orpheus and the Underworld or Jason and the Argonauts.

Depends on how big your frame of reference is.  I guarantee the writers of Mass Effect have a larger frame of reference than most people on this board, myself included.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[Nightwriter]

Joss also thought Alien 4 was a disaster and a waste of a movie. Which surprised me. I found it quite good.

[Zan51]

I liked it for the cowboy gang that I am sure helped formulate some of Firefly personal dynamics. I also love seeing Sigourney Weaver as Ripley, and the little android was cute too. Hated the final alien shape, though. That was a let down. Looked like a lump of walking raw meat.

[JedTed]

KenLyns wrote...

Hell, the turian anthem "Die for the Cause" is probably inspired by  "Good Day to Die" in Starship Troopers 3. 

That was totally the first song that came to mind when read that on Garrus' playlist.  Somebody should do a parody of it and change the words to what the turian anthem would sound like.

Now when are we going to see Summer Glau doing voiceovers in ME?
 

They're saving her for when they introduce Gillian Grayson as a squadie in ME3.

Modifié par JedTed, 16 septembre 2010 - 07:20 .

[archiev1976]

Collectors at least are obvious ripoffs from Shadows in Babylon 5. As plot how Shadows work in B5 universe and how Reapers work in ME universe are same, but Shadows as species look almost identical to Collectors, only they have 4 legs instead of 2

[GnusmasTHX]

Lulz, if Darksiders steals from games that have stolen, it's still stealing.



Anyway, the "Serenity" and not "Firefly" in the thread title makes me sad.

[Zan51]

archiev1976 wrote...

Collectors at least are obvious ripoffs from Shadows in Babylon 5. As plot how Shadows work in B5 universe and how Reapers work in ME universe are same, but Shadows as species look almost identical to Collectors, only they have 4 legs instead of 2

Being a Bab5 fan, I didn't even think this which is surprising. The only one that looks vaguely like the Shadows is the Collector General in my opinion, and then all Shadows were dark colored, not golden.
I think yuou can look too deeply for similarities. As I said, there are only 7 story ideas in existance, and everything is a variant of them. It is the angle you take that makes your story unique, and no way is what the Shadows did and Collectors do the same!