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[ShadowCatJen]

Moogliepie wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

If you ask him Duncan explains Jory left him no choice when he pulled his blade. I get the feeling Duncan would have done it anyway though. Jory's whole rose colored glasses approach to the Gray Wardens was doomed from the get go. How he got past Duncan's screening I have no clue.

I get that, but why recruit Jory in the first place. Even if Jory did go through the joining, what's stopping him (or other disgruntled Wardens who have family) from going AWOL later, or staging a mutiny?  I don't quite get Duncan's recruitment strategy. 

My take on it is that the Blight changes the whole recruiting situation.

When you run into Duncan as a City Elf he states he was there before years ago and thought that your mother would have made a perfect Grey Warden. BUT since there was no Blight and no pressure to recruit, he differs to the Elder's judgement that she would be better of staying with her family.

It's stated that there are only two dozen Wardens at Ostagar, meaning 24 Wardens at the most are in Ferelden. That's an awful small number of Wardens to have if they've had 10 years to build up their numbers.

Which all means Duncan normaly recruits at a rather slow pace. The Blight, however, had him grabbing skilled men and women almost blindly. Able to nab his coin purse? Conscripted. Best fighter in this tournament? Conscripted. Castle burning around you and parents about to die? Conscripted. About to be hauled off to jail for killing an Arl's son? Conscripted. Banished to the Deep Roads for supposedly killing your brother? Conscripted.

Even if these people might not be right for the job, he'll nab them because they do need as many Grey Wardens on board as possible.

[RPGmom28]

 The whole thing was a very disturbing scene that drove home the seriousness of the Joining.  I assumed that Duncan ran him through because he couldn't let him go now that he knew the secret around the Joining-  he might spread the word, and no one else would want to join the Grey Wardens.  Even though Duncan tells your character that he did it because Jory drew a weapon and became aggressive, I don't think Duncan would have let him go even if he hadn't.  He did say, "There is no turning back".  But I was also shaking my head when it happened on my first run-through (pun intended).  I agree with those who said that daddies and medieval spousal sole providers shouldn't be warden recruits.

[Rhinna]

I'm sure Duncan explained everything to Jory prior to joining - he explains you leave your family, everything changes, etc...in Dalish, City elf, dwarf noble playthroughs - in Human though, there's really no time.  He had time with Jory who won a tournament (that's hard to believe in itself, he's such a wuss)  I'm sure Jory just heard "Grey Warden, blah blah, blahdy blah blah" and didn't really listen to anything else.

Duncan is a rogue, so I'm sure killing when necessary is not a difficult thing for him to do.

[Forteg]

Jory was only recruited into the Wardens because he won some Tournament i think

[Forteg]

If Grey Wardens can use the Right of Conscription, they could get anybody able to fight to join them, i dont understand how they would ever struggle for numbers with that right

[Sabriana]

Well, if the PC asks Jory if he "abandoned his wife", Jory makes it quite clear that he expect to go back to her and his child after the darkspawn is defeated. He has no clue that his life will be forever changed. Maybe he can go back, but it'll never be the same again.

He also that he doesn't understand that there are more 'tests' after being recruited. So even if Duncan did explain it him in more detail than to my PCs, Jory simply didn't hear it.

Duncan did kill him in cold blood so to speak. Yes, Jory drew first, but remember, Duncan had to go back to the table, put down the cup, and walk back toward Jory. Jory never advanced but stayed where he was.

[Elessara]

They have to use the Right of Conscription sparingly. If they just ran around conscripting everyone they wanted it would really tick off a lot of people ... like nobles, the king, etc. And they'd get the boot from whatever country they were in.

[KnightofPhoenix]

That scene screamed badass to me. I was afraid Duncan would be too nice, and then out of nowhere he does that. Loved it. And I especially loved the threads crying about how "evil" the Wardens are. Hehe.

[Sarah1281]

They have to use the Right of Conscription sparingly. If they just ran around conscripting everyone they wanted it would really tick off a lot of people ... like nobles, the king, etc. And they'd get the boot from whatever country they were in.

Yeah, Alistair says that even recruiting him almost got Dunan into huge trouble just because Alistair knew some templar secrets. Would the Chantry have a problem with any templar GW or just ones that hadn't taken vows and gotten addicted to lyrium?

[Sabriana]

Well, "Grey Wardens == White Knights" to some, apparently.



Sarah, I don't think the GWs would have any use for drug-addicts. Unless I'm missing your question totally. Which is always a possibility.

[Drasanil]

Sabriana wrote...

Well, "Grey Wardens == White Knights" to some, apparently.

Ya Wynne...


I don't know how any one else could fall for it though. Just playing through the origins it gets pretty clear that the Wardens only care about two things: a person's ability to kill stuff and pointing them in the general vicinity of some nearby darkspawn. 

[Hyper Cutter]

sylvanaerie wrote...

If you ask him Duncan explains Jory left him no choice when he pulled his blade. I get the feeling Duncan would have done it anyway though. Jory's whole rose colored glasses approach to the Gray Wardens was doomed from the get go. How he got past Duncan's screening I have no clue.

The Wardens seem to recruit two types of people: those who are desperate/trying to escape something (Daveth, most versions of you, and others) and glory-addled fools (Alistair and Jory)...

Sabriana wrote...

Well, "Grey Wardens == White Knights" to
some, apparently.

Like Alistair, who seems to believe being a
Grey Warden is glorious or something (and disapproves if you claim
otherwise, most notably if you try making Loghain one).

[Spinnazie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That scene screamed badass to me. I was afraid Duncan would be too nice, and then out of nowhere he does that. Loved it. And I especially loved the threads crying about how "evil" the Wardens are. Hehe.

This ^

If he would of just drank the blood he would of atleast had a chance of survival. Instead, the whiny moron pulls a sword on the leader of the Grey Wardens.