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[MintyCool]

If
Bioware cares as much as they say they do about story in games, then they would
simply make Liara unplayable in ME3. Here’s why. The narrative potential for
Liara would be so much more fascinating if she was unplayable. I’ll get to why
this is later.

The
one thing that I find painfully annoying on these boards are the very loud but,
very small circle of people that seem to think that they are entitled to demand
Liara be playable in ME3. This drum beat happens every day on these boards and
I would just like to share my opposing view on the matter.

Liara is
an information broker now, someone who is in direct competition with the likes
of the Shadow Broker and The Illusive Man. I actually enjoyed this angle quite
bit. Up until this point the only non-playable ally you really had was
Anderson. Now with Anderson pulling strings at the Citadel, and Lirara obtaining
scoops of information whenever possible. Shepard is now finally developing a network that
gives him a fighting chance against the Reapers, Cerberous, The Shadow Broker,
and so on.

Also,
think about the story possibilities for Liara going into ME3. For example, one
of the dialog options hints that Liara may become the one thing she’s trying to
defeat, the new Shadow Broker. This idea, that a former ally (or lover) would
turn on you in the end seems thrilling. Simply making Liara a squad mate will dilute
these opportunities.

Shepard
will already have enough squad members to deal with in ME3. Having people of substance
to meet that are not playable, I find, are usually refreshing.

In the
end though, it’s Bioware’s call. If I was one of the writers though, I would
think long and hard about the possibilities that may be lost in the ME
narrative if you do make Liara a squad mate and not an important contact for
Shepard to meet with. Hell, she can be a squad mate cameo if the story calls
for it, I’m fine with that. I just think she would be better served not being a
squad mate.

Thoughts?

Modifié par MintyCool, 13 mars 2010 - 07:49 .

[Azint]

Fire in 3...2...1...

[GuardianAngel470]

I agree with the OP. It would make so much more sense if Liara was our source of intel in ME3. If she can come along then where are we going to get intel? Cerberus? not for paragons. The council? Maybe but who actually trusts them anymore? Liara is in a position of influence where she can do the most good. We don't need her as a squadmate as much as we need intel.

[Operation Genesis]

I tend to agree with you.  I think the idea of Liara becoming somewhat villainous is kick ass, and would enjoy it imensely, especially on the playthroughs where I romanced her.  However, I wouldn't begrude the hardcore Liaramancers their romance.  I'd be pretty annoyed if one of the characters I was a fanboy for turned evil, and I wouldn't really want anyone to have to put up with that.
But, just sayin', I would find it pretty awesome.

[Nozybidaj]

Lockdown in 5, 4, 3, 2.....

[Saberwolf116]

That sounds like a good idea, but it might force BioWare to abandon the love story.

[jlb524]

Saberwolf116 wrote...

That sounds like a good idea, but it might force BioWare to abandon the love story.

That would be my only concern.  There really isn't a precedent for non-squad mate romances.  I don't count Kelly b/c that's not really a 'romance' but an easter egg.

[BrokenPolygon]

I can see where you are coming from. It would make for a very interesting story.
However I think Bioware is very interested in playing to the majority, and what the majority wants. And the majority wants its sandbox. A lot of people want the option of continuing the romance you persued in the first game. Even if they aren't going to, they probably want the option.

Mass effect is all about making choices, big and small. People want to make whatever choices they want to. That's why customizable armor was added, as well as interrupts. It gives more control on what goes on. Thats also why some people were let down when they couldnt go back to Ilos or Feros or wherever. Those places werent central to the story anymore, but they still wanted the option.

You could make Liara able to come on the ship and not be a squadmate, sort of acting like a Kelly Chambers, you could sex up after a few dialogue trees, but not actually do any combat. But that would be limiting the player's choices as well. She did combat before she can do it again if she's with you.

I'm pretty sure more people are interested in freedom of choice, and especially freedom of that specific choice, than are interested in a slightly better storyline (which I'm not saying that would be.) Because after all players have made up their own mind of what they think would be better, and want to persue that.

[javierabegazo]

So long as I see discussion about Plot, and NO Hate-related posts, this can stay open

[AndroLeonidas]

While I respect your opinion... you are in the vast minority. If you romanced Liara in ME1 as you say... and you actually submersed yourself into the game as many of us did... I find it hard to believe you would want what you explained.

[elitextrem3]

Ok but what about the people who romance Liara in ME 1 and stayed loyal to her on ME 2. What they just get the middle finger while all the other romances come back and are developed further. I don't think that's fair.



I believe she will return as a squad mate/LI and since she is the only character that can't die, she will probably have a pretty big role.

[Snowraptor]

your not abandoning love, wow, does everyone in this game have too stay completley brainwashed in love with shepard? This is a story, these characters should be able too make there own decsisions without being forced too love shepard because it was scripted and just because you want her in bed. Ruins the character, im glad samara made a desicion in refusing shepard if you asked to be more than just friends with her.

[AndroLeonidas]

Somebody1003 wrote...

elitextrem3 wrote...

Ok but what about the people who romance Liara in ME 1 and stayed loyal to her on ME 2. What they just get the middle finger while all the other romances come back and are developed further. I don't think that's fair.

I believe she will return as a squad mate/LI and since she is the only character that can't die, she will probably have a pretty big role.

I agree,
I stayed loyal to Liara, if they didnt put her as a squad member it would be like Bioware kicking me in the groin.

Same Same!

[EliteZev]

I agree with OP

[Nozybidaj]

javierabegazo wrote...

So long as I see discussion about Plot, and NO Hate-related posts, this can stay open

Yes, lets encourage people to hate on characters.  This is going to go well.

[WilliamShatner]

Somebody1003 wrote...

elitextrem3 wrote...

Ok but what about the people who romance Liara in ME 1 and stayed loyal to her on ME 2. What they just get the middle finger while all the other romances come back and are developed further. I don't think that's fair.

I believe she will return as a squad mate/LI and since she is the only character that can't die, she will probably have a pretty big role.

I agree,
I stayed loyal to Liara, if they didnt put her as a squad member it would be like Bioware kicking me in the groin.

They already did kick us in the groin with her role in ME2.

[KnotEngaged]

Nozybidaj wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

So long as I see discussion about Plot, and NO Hate-related posts, this can stay open

Yes, lets encourage people to hate on characters.  This is going to go well.

What hate is going on here? OP suggested an interesting plot mechanism for a character which has merit.  You and the hundreds of other Liara fans might not like it, but that doesn't make it hate.

I don't think OP's plan will happen, so don't worry.  The only ME1 squaddie I can think of that wouldn't be a squaddie in ME3 is Wrex.

Modifié par KnotEngaged, 13 mars 2010 - 08:31 .

[Yeled]

I think its possibly ok for Liara to be unavailable as a squadmate, and to play the role the op suggests, so long as Bioware changes its formula a bit and adds a lot of substance to the role a non-squadmate can play. If Shep can continue the romance with Liara, for example, and engage in dialogue trees equal to, or greater than, that reserved for squadmates, I could go along with Liara not being on the actual squad. But if they do that they better make her a HUGE part of the ongoing story, carrying on throughout the entire game with multiple appearances throughout.



And, I would suggest the same concept the OP suggests for Liara could be applied to numerous ME2 characters. Mordin, Miranda, Tali, and most of the others could play more interesting roles in various parts of the galaxy rather than at Shep's side. So long as we're looking at Liara, we should apply the same logic to the rest of the cast.

[CTM1]

Bugger it all, I knew one of the first things brought up would be "B-b-but what about our romance with her?"

So what? How does her not being a squadmate dash this? The only argument I've seen so far is "Bioware is not known for their non-squadmate romances; it never turns out well, hence taking her out of the gameplay is a bad move." Entirely speculative. Just because it happened in Mass Effect 2 does not mean the same thing would happen in Mass Effect 3. Bioware is not stuck in a narrow path that demands interactivity is limited simply because a character is no longer part of the core gameplay mechanic.

Curious to see where this goes.

Edit: Hmm, a few more responses since I first started posting. I believe this person brought up the same issue, complete with suggestion that would prove to be the most logical extreme in making it work:

Yeled wrote...

I think its possibly ok for Liara to be unavailable as a squadmate, and to play therole the op suggests, so long as Bioware changes its formula a bit and adds a lot of substance to the role a non-squadmate can play. If Shep can continue the romance with Liara, for example, and engage in dialogue trees equal to, or greater than, that reserved for squadmates, I could go along with Liara not being on the actual squad. But if they do that they better make her a HUGE part of the ongoing story, carrying on throughout the entire game with multiple appearances throughout.

Modifié par CTM1, 13 mars 2010 - 08:51 .

[Nozybidaj]

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 13 mars 2010 - 08:37 .