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[tonnactus]

Its more enjoyable to have someone you like in your squad,so i dont support the idea.

[Wakara Pezi]

Uh, no, no no, no and no. I want my blue honey fighting alongside me.   I don’t like the idea of her being bad either…

[Possessedkitten]

I disagree with the OP. I mean think of all the possible senarios based on wether you were unfaithful in me2.

[Yeled]

I think the odds of BW deciding Liara is killed in a scene in which you don't even participate, and which most players would have avoided anyway is
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I don't think its really worth considering.




*edited formatting because that number really messed things up*

Modifié par Yeled, 14 mars 2010 - 03:15 .

[Gre3nham]

She could be on your ship, but no on your team. I mean, seriously, who is the better biotic, Samara or Liara? Liara is a young (Asari wise) archologist/information broker. Samara is a 1000 year old justicar. She could be you information gatherer person or somthig, allowing for a romance, side mission, and sub plot, without her being in combat.

[JulianusApostate]

So I'm not sure about this..... Is the OP serious or is this a response to the silly "Tali should not be a squadmate in ME3" thread? I noticed some of the original post seems to be copy pasted from that thread. I suppose it doesn't really matter, since this seems to be a serious discussion by now anyway.



Anywho, I think she could still work as an information broker AND be a squadmate... Like how Mordin did all your research, and was still a kickass fighter on the ground.

[Collider]

Liara should be a squad mate or at the very least an important player. Anyways, I think Bioware has made it clear that she will return in a big way, just as Ashley and Kaidan will.

[Multifarious Algorithm]

I really wouldn't mind if any number of characters weren't squaddies but were permanent crew members of the Normandy. I mean my primary interaction with these characters is on the Normandy already. If they moved around the ship and the Normandy made to feel more "alive", then it would be perfectly acceptable.
Liara as an information broker who disembarks at the major ports to assist you would work perfectly well for me - she'd be there, and you'd talk to her and interact with her but she wouldn't go on fire-team missions with you.
EDIT: Ashley/Kaiden would also work in this capacity quite well I think, with probably the major exception that I'd want a mission like Joker's mission except you get to play as them to repel a boarding party in a big way - which would be a fun way to mix it up. Also because I'm sure some hilarious Joker/EDI dialog could be had if the Normandy got boarded again.

Modifié par Multifarious Algorithm, 14 mars 2010 - 10:08 .

[Collider]

Ashley and Kaidan are both soldiers. They would make even less sense not being squad mates. They're fully capable to fight.

[Asheer_Khan]

Collider wrote...

Ashley and Kaidan are both soldiers. They would make even less sense not being squad mates. They're fully capable to fight.

Only Ash is pure Soldier when Kaidan  was a  Vanguard.

But i admit i want Liara and Ash (bye bye Zaaed) back as my full Squad members^_^ .

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 14 mars 2010 - 10:38 .

[marshalleck]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ashley and Kaidan are both soldiers. They would make even less sense not being squad mates. They're fully capable to fight.

Only Ash is pure Soldier when Kaidan  was a  Vanguard.

But i admit i want Liara and Ash (bye bye Zaaed) back as my full Squad members^_^ .

Kaidan is a Sentinel

[Asheer_Khan]

marshalleck wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ashley and Kaidan are both soldiers. They would make even less sense not being squad mates. They're fully capable to fight.

Only Ash is pure Soldier when Kaidan  was a  Vanguard.

But i admit i want Liara and Ash (bye bye Zaaed) back as my full Squad members^_^ .

Kaidan is a Sentinel

Oh... My mistake^_^, i have localized version of ME 1 so it's easy to false interpreted each class.

[Zandilar]

MintyCool wrote...
The
one thing that I find painfully annoying on these boards are the very loud but,
very small circle of people that seem to think that they are entitled to demand
Liara be playable in ME3. This drum beat happens every day on these boards and
I would just like to share my opposing view on the matter.

Minty, you probably got a lot of people's hackles up with this paragraph. Liara is hardly the most popular of the ME1 squadmates on this board. One need only look at the Tali thread(s) to see that. What makes Liara's fans any different to other fans? There are plenty of other threads demaning particular squadmates be available in ME3. I don't see you getting upset and saying they also "seem to think they are entitled to demand <insert LI or NPC here> be playable in ME3".

Besides which, we (or I at least) don't think I'm entitled to demand anything. I participate in the Liara threads to express my opinion that I would like her to return in ME3. I don't care if she's a squadmate or not (I'd prefer it if she was, though), just so long as my Shepard gets some pay off for being loyal to her. (Actually, it wasn't that hard to be loyal to Liara, my lesbian!Shepard didn't have any alternatives).

MintyCool wrote...
Also,
think about the story possibilities for Liara going into ME3. For example, one
of the dialog options hints that Liara may become the one thing she’s trying to
defeat, the new Shadow Broker. This idea, that a former ally (or lover) would
turn on you in the end seems thrilling. Simply making Liara a squad mate will dilute
these opportunities.

Bioware have already done that particular storyline in their games before. Bastila Shan, joining the Sith? Does that ring any bells for you? Aribeth? Throwing in with Morag and her Creator Race plot? Does that ring any bells? Yes?

I hope so, anyway.

Let Bioware do something different for once. I'm tired of "Surprise!! Female Love Interest Betrays You!" plots. (I would also be especially grateful if they didn't turn the only Bisexual love interest in ME into a traitor, as the evil bisexual is a very very overdone trope.)

Modifié par Zandilar, 14 mars 2010 - 11:51 .

[superimposed]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

While I respect your opinion... you are in the vast minority. If you romanced Liara in ME1 as you say... and you actually submersed yourself into the game as many of us did... I find it hard to believe you would want what you explained.

Yeah, OP, you're not really scottish either!


Liara is my preferred Romance, and frankly she would work better as an NPC - one you interacted with regularly - but an NPC nontheless. Why? You can do a lot more with a character who's free to move on their own than one who is at the player's beck and call.


The number of Squadmembers, however, has got me thinking that ME:3 will have 'temporary' Squad Members and 'Permanent' Squad Members.

[Wildecker]

JulianusApostate wrote...

Anywho, I think she could still work as an information broker AND be a squadmate... Like how Mordin did all your research, and was still a kickass fighter on the ground.

Mordin had his lab on board the Normandy. Information brokers need to stay connected to their network of agents.

I could, however, imagine that the quantum communication device that was your hotline to The Man can be replaced with another that will give you a secure line into Liara's office.

[MintyCool]

One other thing to note is that if Bioware did decide to make Liara an npc, it might widen the sense of scale of the galaxy. I'm not saying only do it only with Liara, but having contacts across space might give you a better sense of scale and exploration. Something that I think was lost in ME2.

Modifié par MintyCool, 14 mars 2010 - 05:18 .

[jtav]

Wildecker wrote...

JulianusApostate wrote...

Anywho, I think she could still work as an information broker AND be a squadmate... Like how Mordin did all your research, and was still a kickass fighter on the ground.

Mordin had his lab on board the Normandy. Information brokers need to stay connected to their network of agents.

I could, however, imagine that the quantum communication device that was your hotline to The Man can be replaced with another that will give you a secure line into Liara's office.

If Liara had a TIM-style role she'd have a larger role than she possibly could as a squaddie? You can still have your 4-5 romance coversations with her and some sort of concluding scene. The only thing you wouldn't get are in-mission interjections. I really don't see the problem here.

[Knoll Argonar]

Gre3nham wrote...

She could be on your ship, but no on your team. I mean, seriously, who is the better biotic, Samara or Liara? Liara is a young (Asari wise) archologist/information broker. Samara is a 1000 year old justicar. She could be you information gatherer person or somthig, allowing for a romance, side mission, and sub plot, without her being in combat.

That's what bothers me.

Are we really going to exchange a near-Matriarch-level Asari for a Maiden in combat?

If that's the case, i would be kinda dissapointed, but i would understand that, because Samara would only stay with you (in theory) if you talked to her and were Paragon. Otherwise she would either dissapear so she didn't had to kill you or just continue her journey.

But I think that Liara could fill the role of the information-broker that TIM and the Council were in previous games, and it would be actually more interesting that watching her power in combat and saying "buh, Samara would do so much better".

[JamieCOTC]

Well, since you can't talk to your squadmates while on mission anyway, I'm not opposed to this per se.  Though, as many have already pointed out, this would be a big departure from BioWare's formula especially if you romanced her.  Still, I would like to see her on the Normandy.  They could give her Miranda's office! 

[Asheer_Khan]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...

She could be on your ship, but no on your team. I mean, seriously, who is the better biotic, Samara or Liara? Liara is a young (Asari wise) archologist/information broker. Samara is a 1000 year old justicar. She could be you information gatherer person or somthig, allowing for a romance, side mission, and sub plot, without her being in combat.

That's what bothers me.

Are we really going to exchange a near-Matriarch-level Asari for a Maiden in combat?

If that's the case, i would be kinda dissapointed, but i would understand that, because Samara would only stay with you (in theory) if you talked to her and were Paragon. Otherwise she would either dissapear so she didn't had to kill you or just continue her journey.

But I think that Liara could fill the role of the information-broker that TIM and the Council were in previous games, and it would be actually more interesting that watching her power in combat and saying "buh, Samara would do so much better".

Liara is daughter of one of the most powerful Asari in thier history  but i  am confident that her powers could pretty well match if not OUTmatch Samara's powers.
If she was able to kill one of the strongest SB agents (observer) without leaving mess in her office then that's speak for themself how powerful her espressolarity is:D.
Beside when Samara reach times where she should step down Liara in on the beginning of such road and in the mater of fact who say that Samara must leave Normandy in order to get Liara as Squad member.

In my case i see at least three potential candidates for leaving Normandy :
Thane, Zaaed and Morodin (i think he will return to Salarian forces to serve as Shepard's connection whit STGs) .
Rest of the team status is unclear:
Samara and Jack - both could leave or stay on board.
Tali and Legion - could stay but both could leave to start building a bridge between Qarians and the Geth
Grunt  and Garrus - i think both will stay on board especially since grunt declared Shepard his Battlemaster.
Mianda and Jacob - now both have no choice but remain on Normandy untill thier status will not become more clear and safe from Timmy's wrath.

This team was gathered for one purpose "STOP THE COLLECTORS" anything after C-Base will depend on thier (and devs) choice since main "quest" have been fulfilled.

[Taritu]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...

She could be on your ship, but no on your team. I mean, seriously, who is the better biotic, Samara or Liara? Liara is a young (Asari wise) archologist/information broker. Samara is a 1000 year old justicar. She could be you information gatherer person or somthig, allowing for a romance, side mission, and sub plot, without her being in combat.

That's what bothers me.

Are we really going to exchange a near-Matriarch-level Asari for a Maiden in combat?

If that's the case, i would be kinda dissapointed, but i would understand that, because Samara would only stay with you (in theory) if you talked to her and were Paragon. Otherwise she would either dissapear so she didn't had to kill you or just continue her journey.

But I think that Liara could fill the role of the information-broker that TIM and the Council were in previous games, and it would be actually more interesting that watching her power in combat and saying "buh, Samara would do so much better".

Eh, as a practical matter, you wouldn't notice the difference, every character gets the same number of skills.  Heck, Jack is supposed to be the most powerful human biotic evah, and she's nothing special beause of what amount to lousy skills.

As for the original suggestion, I would prefer her as a squad mate, but (and it's a big but) if they can handle her properly as a non squad mate (aka. not mess it up like they did with Liara/Kaiden/Ash) then sure.

My confidence in the writing team handling ME3 (assuming it's the same team as ME1) is not high, however.  The story was the weakest part of ME2, far weaker than the story in ME1.

[Knoll Argonar]

Obviously you wouldn't notice, but her fight with Morinth is AWESOME. 8D