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[Inquisitor Zobeda]

Um Liara was my Renegade Fem Shep's girlfriend so I don't mind her not being in my squad but I want regular access to her. The idea of her providing side missions and info throughout so the suggestion from the OP is intriguing... as long as I get to see her and interact I'm good.

Slightly off topic, but I hope romancing Jacob doesn't mean I can never have Alenko again. Damn Bioware and your immersive love angst! *shakes fist*

Modifié par jadziadragonrider, 14 mars 2010 - 07:17 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Please go away, MintyCool. Now. No, don't even look back.

[Sharn01]

If someone can give one valid reason why Liara could not perform her function as an information broker aboard the Normandy to any less effect then she could from Illium I would give the OP's post some merit, but in the high tech world of mass effect everything she would need is available on the Normandy, up to and including real time communication across star systems.

I also think you would be hard pressed to find even a single reason why she could not be both an information broker and a squadmate. Bare in mind that we as the player's probably only witness about 5% or less of the actual time taking place in the game. All of the boring activites that the character's do from eating, sleeping, using the bathroom, bathing, playing cards or just chatting with each other about unimportant thing's all taking place during trips between star system's that can take days or even week's on rare occasion's.

The only time we are in control of Shepard is when its something relevent, or just enough to give us a sense of getting to know people, all the insignifigant stuff we just do not see, so there would be plenty of time to fill both the role of information broker and squadmate.

Modifié par Sharn01, 14 mars 2010 - 10:57 .

[Blameless77]

The issue I have with the OP is one that has been alluded to already. For many players an important part of NPC interaction is taking them on missions with you. LI interaction becomes more meaningful (for some players at least, myself included) when there's this idea that they're on the front lines with you, sharing your trials and triumphs first hand.

I wouldn't go into a rage or anything if Liara was relegated to a desk job on the Normandy in ME3, but I would be disappointed. Not every story choice in ME centers on the dialogue wheel. Part of my Shepard's story in ME1 was that Liara and Garrus were her primary squad.

Ultimately, I guess what I'm saying is that I'm skeptical that a non-squadmate role for a LI could be as meaningful. Additionally, it would be especially painful if some LIs were sidelined and relegated to desks, while others got to accompany Shepard while he/she explores the galaxy, fights the reapers, etc.

Modifié par Blameless77, 14 mars 2010 - 11:34 .

[redguppie]

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The
one thing that I find painfully annoying on these boards are the very loud but,
very small circle of people that seem to think that they are entitled to demand
Liara be playable in ME3. This drum beat happens every day on these boards and
I would just like to share my opposing view on the matter.

Every group has these people and they all get annoying.


Liara is
an information broker now, someone who is in direct competition with the likes
of the Shadow Broker and The Illusive Man. I actually enjoyed this angle quite
bit. Up until this point the only non-playable ally you really had was
Anderson. Now with Anderson pulling strings at the Citadel, and Lirara obtaining
scoops of information whenever possible. Shepard is now finally developing a network that
gives him a fighting chance against the Reapers, Cerberous, The Shadow Broker,
and so on.

Liara's entire info gathering is oriented for a specific goal and one that is acomplished there is no garentee that it would continue.  Cerberus also isn't a true enemy, simply one who might have different views from you.  They never state that they want the other races dead, they just want to assure that humanity prospers.  The Illusive man even states that you are humanities best chance regardless of what you chose in the first game( which it was possible to be extremely anti-cerberus) so it isn't so hard to believe that they can put aside thier differences to help you.


think about the story possibilities for Liara going into ME3. For example, one
of the dialog options hints that Liara may become the one thing she’s trying to
defeat, the new Shadow Broker. This idea, that a former ally (or lover) would
turn on you in the end seems thrilling. Simply making Liara a squad mate will dilute
these opportunities.

It would be an iteresting twist but that would also be possible if she was on your team.  It might even be more dramatic for a mini-mutiny on the ship based on your choices.

Shepard
will already have enough squad members to deal with in ME3. Having people of substance
to meet that are not playable, I find, are usually refreshing.

both are still easily done. especially when you take into account that thier wont be recruiting and loyalty missions for each squadmate.

I like your rational, but she will at the very least be a possible squadmate.  Her part in the story is the only one that can't change.

Modifié par redguppie, 15 mars 2010 - 12:40 .

[The Governator]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...

She could be on your ship, but no on your team. I mean, seriously, who is the better biotic, Samara or Liara? Liara is a young (Asari wise) archologist/information broker. Samara is a 1000 year old justicar. She could be you information gatherer person or somthig, allowing for a romance, side mission, and sub plot, without her being in combat.

That's what bothers me.

Are we really going to exchange a near-Matriarch-level Asari for a Maiden in combat?

If that's the case, i would be kinda dissapointed, but i would understand that, because Samara would only stay with you (in theory) if you talked to her and were Paragon. Otherwise she would either dissapear so she didn't had to kill you or just continue her journey.

But I think that Liara could fill the role of the information-broker that TIM and the Council were in previous games, and it would be actually more interesting that watching her power in combat and saying "buh, Samara would do so much better".

I tend to agree.  They changed her character so completely that, barring some really good writing, I don't see her regressing to what she was.  Maybe keep her as LI that is a solid ally as information broker as OP suggested.  Or, maybe keep her sidelined until the final battle.  Then have her join.  That would be cool.

[Jarcander]

*Glances at the topic title*

*Flames OP*

Oh wait, you don't really hate her? You just want her in a different role in Mass Effect 3. That's okay then. How are the burns? Not too painful I hope.

...

I should go.

Modifié par Jarcander, 15 mars 2010 - 02:48 .

[jlb524]

Jarcander wrote...

*Glances at the topic title*

*Flames OP*

Oh wait, you don't really hate her? You just want her in a different role in Mass Effect 3. That's okay then. How are the burns? Not too painful I hope.

...

I should go.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with what the OP said.  It's a good idea.  I would just prefer Liara's role to bring her into closer contact with Shepard (i.e., squad mate status).

[Jarcander]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with what the OP said.  It's a good idea.  I would just prefer Liara's role to bring her into closer contact with Shepard (i.e., squad mate status).

That's the role I would prefer her to be as well, but I wouldn't loose a nights sleep if she was in another (important) role with full RI status.

[The Governator]

jlb524 wrote...

Jarcander wrote...

*Glances at the topic title*

*Flames OP*

Oh wait, you don't really hate her? You just want her in a different role in Mass Effect 3. That's okay then. How are the burns? Not too painful I hope.

...

I should go.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with what the OP said.  It's a good idea.  I would just prefer Liara's role to bring her into closer contact with Shepard (i.e., squad mate status).

Look, this is how you ensure that Liara will be exactly what you want her to be in ME3.  Hate her.  Loathe her until the cows come home.  Luck will have fun with you and put her in your face until you go mad. 

But seriously.  Nothing to worry about.  Bioware saved all three LIs so they could rejoin Shepard in ME3.  I suspect that the reason she is shadowbrokering (other than the obvious reasons) is because they wanted to mature her somewhat, as they did with Tali.  She'll be back.  

[rasblak]

The Governator wrote...
I tend to agree.  They changed her character so completely that, barring some really good writing, I don't see her regressing to what she was.  Maybe keep her as LI that is a solid ally as information broker as OP suggested.  Or, maybe keep her sidelined until the final battle.  Then have her join.  That would be cool.

I find the OP's suggestion interesting.
I take it that if Liara couldn't join as a squadmate in ME2 it's because being an Information Broker is a full-time job and not just being a gossip mill.
I'd quite like to see her take on a more important role in her job of Info Broker during the first 2/3 of the game and getting to join as a squadmate by the last third. I mean, it's the interaction with her and how the new things that she's up to impact the missions that would hold more promise for the relationship to grow, right?
If she just joins in as a squadmate, what more is there for Shepard and her to talk about?
"Oh.. Liara, this upgraded Field Warp Power of yours tends to trigger my Area Body Slam..."

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Btw, I don't quite buy this thing about Ashley , Kaiden , and Liara being non-playable to make sure they're alive for ME3.
I'd be interested to know where anyone got that from? Shepard can die in ME2, but these guys are not supposed to?
I think they were not brought back simply because.. I mean, what more would there be for them to say to each other that would be interesting to the player? If they don't do the 'get to know each other' ritual in ME2, what do they do? Hence, would that have meant that from the get-go conversations with them would just include an option: "Space-high Club time Darling??"

Some easily-offended ppl who don't even play video-games would have conveniently forgotten that it's a sequel and been all at BioWare's throat for being superficial eh?

Modifié par rasblak, 16 mars 2010 - 06:58 .

[ObserverStatus]

The Liara fans are coming to get you, MintyCool. Run!

[Massadonious1]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Please go away, MintyCool. Now. No, don't even look back.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Sharn01 wrote...

If someone can give one valid reason why Liara could not perform her function as an information broker aboard the Normandy to any less effect then she could from Illium I would give the OP's post some merit, but in the high tech world of mass effect everything she would need is available on the Normandy, up to and including real time communication across star systems.

I also think you would be hard pressed to find even a single reason why she could not be both an information broker and a squadmate. Bare in mind that we as the player's probably only witness about 5% or less of the actual time taking place in the game. All of the boring activites that the character's do from eating, sleeping, using the bathroom, bathing, playing cards or just chatting with each other about unimportant thing's all taking place during trips between star system's that can take days or even week's on rare occasion's.

The only time we are in control of Shepard is when its something relevent, or just enough to give us a sense of getting to know people, all the insignifigant stuff we just do not see, so there would be plenty of time to fill both the role of information broker and squadmate.

The only reason I can think of for her not being able to be an information broker on the Normandy is in-person meetings.  You know, back-alley stuff that you might have to do in that line of work where the client/informant/narc would not want to do it via any sort of transmission that could be monitored.

However, The Illusive Man and the Shadow Broker have both set precedents proving that completely-secure communications are possible.  Although it requires expensive equipment on both ends of the transmission.