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[Wildecker]

First playthrough, I simply stepped aside - Bang!, headshot.
Second playthrough, I offered Sidonis a chance to explain why he sold his comrades, and he said he didn't: the mercs caught him and gave him a choice - betray the others and live, or die on the spot. He choose to live, but now it's a life not worth living anymore ... at which point I used the blue line that made Garrus let him go.
Third playthrough, I didn't, and Garrus shot him again.

Deciding at gunpoint whether you want to stay true and die or turn traitor and live ... tough choice. Remember Davy Jones' tagline "Do you fear... death?"

Why did I even bother to talk to Sidonis? Because I thought Garrus might want to know why his former comrade did what he did. The final verdict was still his to make.

Modifié par Wildecker, 15 mars 2010 - 06:24 .

[BigGuy28]

Really the question isn't whether or not Sidonis deserves to die, it's do you let Garrus do it in the manner he wants to. I think anyone that let Garrus take the shot is not a very good friend to him. Like the situations with Miranda, Mordin and Jack, Garrus is not a cold blooded killer and I feel that it would damage Garrus in the long run. Eventually he'd want to know why Sidonis did what he did, he would have no way of finding out and he might begin to resent Shepard for letting him take the shot rather than trying to talk him out of it.

Sidonis is not a monster like most of you are trying to make him out to be, yes what he did was terrible and yes he should be punished for it. But you have to understand that he is a normal person that was stuck in an impossible situation and took the very same choice I'm sure almost every one of you would.

Modifié par BigGuy28, 15 mars 2010 - 06:48 .

[Amethyst Deceiver]

"LIVE OR DIE, MAN"



"DIE"



"WRONG!!!!"



*honk*

[turianspy]

If anyone, Harkin was the one that should have died in my opinion.

[Big Yam]

Garrus is a big boy. If he really is that driven to kill someone who stabbed him in the back, I'm perfectly willing to let him do so so we can move on to bigger issues. Path of least resistance. Plus I didn't like how his crosshairs were going over the back of my head. Got to move out of the way of that.

[GenericPlayer2]

turianspy wrote...

If anyone, Harkin was the one that should have died in my opinion.

So true. The guy sets the Mercs on you without even a hello, and then starts spamming YMIRs - I wish I had an option to kill him. I assume he is being kept alive for some pathetic role in ME3, or maybe BW thought 2 kills in one mission would be too much.

In my playthroughs he always dies, though sometimes I use the paragon interrupt to get him to say why he did it. I don't really have strong feelings on the matter, and I can see why some people save his life.

[Collider]

Big Yam wrote...

Garrus is a big boy. If he really is that driven to kill someone who stabbed him in the back, I'm perfectly willing to let him do so so we can move on to bigger issues. Path of least resistance. Plus I didn't like how his crosshairs were going over the back of my head. Got to move out of the way of that.

My thoughts exactly. He has his fingers on the trigger, I'd rather let Garrus take the shot than stand in his crosshairs.

[thompsonaf]

Those 10 people that Sidonis murdered. They had families too, wives, children, husbands. I believe you receive an email from one of them. Sidonis's motivation is irelevant, he is responsible for those murders. It's not about vengeance or revenge. As Frank Castle would put it, "it's punishment." In the form of a hyper velocity slug.



Garrus's team and their families deserve better than an impotent C-Sec. Garrus delivers on that promise.

[zer0netgain]

Booglarize wrote...
I was kind of annoyed to find out that it made no difference in the end. I mean, I agonized for probably a good three minutes trying to decide whether to move out of the way or not. Oh well, I guess Garrus is just easy to please.

About the only reason for letting him live (someone confirm) is that I think you have to choose that outcome for Fem Shepard to get the LI to follow through.

[The Governator]

Shadow_Puppet wrote...

I let him live, well for the most part because I play as a Paragon, though I hate how he says "Tell Garrus I'll make it up to him"

How could he possibly make up for it?

Allowing 10 men to get killed by the guys they were all there to fight in the first place..damn coward.

There are ways he could make it up to Garrus.  He cannot make it up to the dead, but he could make it up to the living, but it would be supremely difficult...and sacrificing his life ain't it.  It would be as much luck as it would will.  I think if, somehow, he were placed in a position to be tortured in ways that are unspeakable for protracted periods of time just to protect Garrus and the people that are NOW close to him, that would make it up to him.  

Obviously Garrus should be aware of it, and Sedonis could have no part in orchestrating a situation where it works out that he is exonerated due to his sacrifice.  But, those are extreme circumstances and that's not the way to bet.

It is virtually impossible for Sedonis to make it up to Garrus, but I believe it is possible.  The other thing to consider is at what point would Garrus consider Sedonis' sins cleansed?  

[Cascadus]

I didn't let Garrus kill him because I thought it would put him on a dangerous path. I taught him that an 'eye for an eye' is not always the best thing to do, and letting him shoot Sidonis would be like pushing the first domino. I'm probably bad at explaining, but if anyone can comprehend that, then hopefully you understand.

[The Governator]

Cascadus wrote...

I didn't let Garrus kill him because I thought it would put him on a dangerous path. I taught him that an 'eye for an eye' is not always the best thing to do, and letting him shoot Sidonis would be like pushing the first domino. I'm probably bad at explaining, but if anyone can comprehend that, then hopefully you understand.

Made perfect sense.

One of the biggest reasons you don't want to murder for revenge is that you don't allow the person to atone for his sins.  Additionally, as you stated, killing at that heightened emotional state might send a person toward a destructive end. 

[xAngelicSniperx]

I bet he's gonna come back in 3rd one. Just like the receptionist of Saren's on Virmire.

[Slayer299]

I haven't let Sidonis live once yet. He betrayed Garrus and his team-mates, why wouldn't I let Garrus kill him?

[Lalandrathon]

More concerned about Garrus's mental health. There's already enough people on the Normandy who are more prone to having issues and flipping out than a pubescent Krogan.

[Commander Gonzalez]

I had done the Zaeed loyalty mission before, and failed to gain Zaeed's loyalty because I chose the paragon path. I thought to myself, Garrus is worth more to me then Sidonis and wasn't going to chance his loyalty to me.

[Noodlesoupninja]

I wish when he said that we have a saying "an eye for an eye" that I could of said we also have another saying " an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind". But no, missed oppurtunity.

[Multifarious Algorithm]

The Governator wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

I didn't let Garrus kill him because I thought it would put him on a dangerous path. I taught him that an 'eye for an eye' is not always the best thing to do, and letting him shoot Sidonis would be like pushing the first domino. I'm probably bad at explaining, but if anyone can comprehend that, then hopefully you understand.

Made perfect sense.

One of the biggest reasons you don't want to murder for revenge is that you don't allow the person to atone for his sins.  Additionally, as you stated, killing at that heightened emotional state might send a person toward a destructive end. 

This is pretty much why I stopped Garrus doing it. Everything leading up to it was saying that this was the type of act which wasn't going to give him any peace. You also get the email from the wife of one of his squadmates saying that he was letting it destroy him. If Sidonis dies, and Garrus still feels guilt over his team, he has no one external to be the reason anymore either.
The other issue of course is that Sidonis is being destroyed by guilt over it, and knows there are no good reasons for what he did. Killing him doesn't feel like it serves a purpose - it doesn't send a message, make an example or anything else. It's just another pointless death.
This and Miranda's loyalty quest are probably my two favorites to contrast in terms of executing the guilty. Sidonis caused a lot more deaths, but if feels very wrong to me to let Garrus shoot him. Conversely, I never really feel like stopping Miranda from shooting Niket herself.

[CrimsonStout]

"That's not your style Garrus."

"It's not like you Garrus."

I pretty much decided he was too emotionally warped by this point to make a decision he wouldn't regret later.

[Speakeasy13]

Chaos-fusion wrote...
Besides, Garrus' "I want him dead!" feelings are best ignored, since he realised in ME1 he only wanted Dr. Saleon/Heart dead because he got away, not because of what he did to the people. .. Assuming you took the paragon route for that bit, otherwise he doesn't realise it and likes to just kill people to solve problems.

This is the only point I had to differ with you - as I have stated before, for me this whole mission (as is Zaeed's loyalty mission) is NOT about justice, it's about what Garrus, my teammate and friend, wants. If he wants Sidonis dead, Sidonis will be dead. Doesn't matter if Sidonis is a saint or a jerk. I don't question his judgment. I stand by it. It's the least I could do to a friend who accompanies me through a suicide mission against all odds.

Now do I understand his sentiment? Damn right I do. If Garrus, Zaeed, or anyone I entrust my life with does something like this to me, I will damn right make sure he/she doesn't live to do that to anyone else ever again, or vice versa (if he/she does it to others, what's to stop him/her from betraying me)?

[Speakeasy13]

Multifarious Algorithm wrote...

The Governator wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

I didn't let Garrus kill him because I thought it would put him on a dangerous path. I taught him that an 'eye for an eye' is not always the best thing to do, and letting him shoot Sidonis would be like pushing the first domino. I'm probably bad at explaining, but if anyone can comprehend that, then hopefully you understand.

Made perfect sense.

One of the biggest reasons you don't want to murder for revenge is that you don't allow the person to atone for his sins.  Additionally, as you stated, killing at that heightened emotional state might send a person toward a destructive end. 

This is pretty much why I stopped Garrus doing it. Everything leading up to it was saying that this was the type of act which wasn't going to give him any peace. You also get the email from the wife of one of his squadmates saying that he was letting it destroy him. If Sidonis dies, and Garrus still feels guilt over his team, he has no one external to be the reason anymore either.
The other issue of course is that Sidonis is being destroyed by guilt over it, and knows there are no good reasons for what he did. Killing him doesn't feel like it serves a purpose - it doesn't send a message, make an example or anything else. It's just another pointless death.
This and Miranda's loyalty quest are probably my two favorites to contrast in terms of executing the guilty. Sidonis caused a lot more deaths, but if feels very wrong to me to let Garrus shoot him. Conversely, I never really feel like stopping Miranda from shooting Niket herself.

Interesting. I was just thinking about Miranda's and Mordin's mission when I read your reply. I'm the exact opposite. I stopped Miranda from killing Niket. Niket never tried to harm Miranda in anyway, and it's quite clear Miranda still considers Niket a friend. Moreover, I was there to help Miranda protect her sister, not to kill Niket. If Niket lives, he can be counted on to always do what's best for Orliana (which is why he betrayed Miranda in the first place). He never wanted to hurt anyone with his actions.

Sidonis, on the other hand, MURDERED 10 people. And Maelan was ever worse. It's an eye for an eye. You hurt people, and now it's come back to hurt you in ways you can't imagine.

[HeyBlade789]

He is a heartless evil dude, let garrus put a bullet in his brain. Paragon btw.

[Blue Ninja]

I let him live. It's better for him to feel the consequences of his actions than to get a cheap ticket out.