271 réponses à ce sujet

[CrimsonStout]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Sidonis, on the other hand, MURDERED 10 people. And Maelan was ever worse. It's an eye for an eye. You hurt people, and now it's come back to hurt you in ways you can't imagine.

I'm pretty sure betrayal comes ridden with imagined death. Hence the identity change. 

[Collider]

Blue Ninja wrote...

I let him live. It's better for him to feel the consequences of his actions than to get a cheap ticket out.

Dying is certainly a consequence.

[Goodwood]

Noodlesoupninja wrote...

I wish when he said that we have a saying "an eye for an eye" that I could of said we also have another saying " an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind". But no, missed oppurtunity.

Agreed.

Overall, I thought the loyalty mission was well-done. I always talk Garrus out of it; it isn't like him, and it would indeed adversely affect his psyche. Justice and revenge seldom go together.

[DaeJi]

Garrus doesn't need to fall further into his hole. Letting Sidonis live allows him to let go of his feelings of hatred without giving in to them.

[Bigdoser]

Revenge will not help Garrus.

[Collider]

Sidonis deserves a bullet in the head. Killing him allows Garrus to continue being what civilization needs.

Modifié par Collider, 22 mars 2010 - 03:33 .

[KOKitten]

I let him live in my previous games but I felt like I was pushing my agenda on Garrus.



It wasn't my squad who was betrayed. I wasn't the one left alone, being hunted by three mercenary groups. It shouldn't be my decision. Garrus may regret it later on or he may not. How do I know that he won't regret not killing him? Garrus should be allowed to make his own decision.



On my current playthrough I'll let Garrus do as he wishes.

[volly0071]

I really dread this one. From what I've seen of BA's story btw ME and ME2 it seems somewhat hollywood. *shudder* I fear this whole thing will be reduced to cheap par/ ren action in 3.Which would be sad.Garris, learns from you in 1 if you went high end with him. And even on the non-import ME 2 he learned. option "you were a thug?" He very clearly explains everything. This issue is very different than what he was going through in the first game.

This is an issue of brotherhood, a matter of code, not morality. Sidonis absolutely deserves death for what he did, and the action is just. If anyone had set up any squad I ever served with like this, there would be no where for them to run. Soldiers are loyal to one another bc they have to be. This kind of betrayal is unforgivable. I treat this situation like it happened to me, and in a way it did.
 
Garris is part of my crew, and has been for two games. I don't even discuss the situation with Garris beyond getting the story started. By the time we get to the area Sidonis is at the only two things i've asked Garris are is he ok, twice. I have never asked Sidonis, why? There is no reason good enough so there is no point... I know what needs doin.'

Garris, needs to do this. If he doesn't it will just drive him back to what he used to be. He can't even grieve for his men until this bastard is in the ground. Garris should do with this what all soldiers do, compartmentalize, and deal with the baggage bits at a time. Yeah! PTSD rocks! But, you get through it.

So, Sidonis gets deaderfied every single game. Hopefully I don't end up with the cheap retarded hollywood "I'm Saren now" Garris in 3. Or worse, imprisoned.

edit: included defintion of traitor from Merrium-Websters

Function: noun[/i]
Etymology: Middle English traytour,[/i] from Anglo-French traitre,[/i] from Latin traditor,[/i] from tradere[/i] to hand over, deliver, betray, from trans-, tra-[/i] trans- + dare[/i] to give — more at date
Date: 13th century
1[/b] :[/b] one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2[/b] :[/b] one who commits treason

Modifié par volly0071, 25 mars 2010 - 03:35 .

[Collider]

I agree. Sidonis caused the death of 10 people, all that blood needs to be repaid.

[Bebbe777]

Garrus needs to become paragon Garrus again. Therefore I save SIdonis. Sure he was a coward but there are worse things than death, and a feeling of immense guilt is one of them. Especially if its haunts you forever which it seems to do for Sidonis.

[Spartas Husky]

I am a bit different. I believe there is no greater torment than remember happy times while unable to return to them.

Depends on every person, take away what is most precious to them, and let them live knowing they can never get it back.



For a thug who craves money, put him in jail, with little to nothing, that is the best punishment.



For an individual who craves the big outdoors, shoot him in the pelvis, leave him paraluze.



For a coward, yet a noble person like Sidonis, let him live the rest of his life as it is, with his guilt eating away at him, killing him will just end his suffering.



Vengeance is the greatest pain that can be inflicted on an enemy, vengeance is not what will satisfy you morally.

[curlytoes79]

I let him live, although I really think if you let him live you ought to have the option to escorting him to C-Sec. Whether he's despondent or not, letting someone who's murdered 10 men wander free is irresponsible. Just because he regrets his actions doesn't mean he shouldn't face consequences.

[kalstras]

I let him live, second playthtrough will be renegade and he shall die there. Sorry Garrus mate

[wiccame]

I give Garrus the 'are you sure you want to do this?' speech, then let him do it. He's already been betrayed by one friend.

[Bruenin]

I stop the shot, Garrus starts acting funny and he'd be better off not letting it consume him

[PsiFive]

IReuven wrote...

http://cloud.steampo...84496B67DFAA43/

Well, if Sidonis did not notice that... Die, moron!

Actually that's fair enough.

[KangDo]

First off, I just want to say that I really enjoy moments like these where the playerbase is actually widely divided on certain choices within the game. It's the non-black and white choices throughout the series that make me enjoy the franchise the most. And I actually like that there's no real consequence for either choice because then it's just a matter of players making their own moral decisions rather than doing them based off in-game consequences.

The first time I played through ME2, I let Sidonis live. Reason being first off is if I was divided in a decision, I would take the paragon one as a safety choice. Second was considering how I tried to paragon Garrus in the first game, it felt like a waste not doing it this time.

This new playthrough that I'm doing though, I'm considering letting Garrus take the shot. If I were involved in this, I could see this being one of those situations where the guilty party would deserve to die. Like some posters stated before, the code between brothers in arms is absolutely sacred and breaking that is one of the most blasphemous forms of treachery.

It doesn't matter that he feels bad about it. I've run into people (obviously nothing this dramatic) who have made scumbag decisions in their life. They'll have dramatic guilt-ridden apologetic moments afterward like what Sidonis did. They'll plead their sob story about how bad they feel about what they did, how terrible they are for doing it and I have no doubt they mean it at the time. Yet they'll commit the same action again and again whilst claiming that same guilt each time if they're called out on it.

Not to say that Sidonis is that type of person but who's to say he isn't? What reason is there to believe that after he's found his way of making it up to Garrus that he won't commit another form of treachery the moment he's found himself in a similar predicament. I'm personally tired of taking that chance.

Another reason too why I'd want to let Garrus take the shot is because I'm tempted to shoot Talid during Thane's loyalty mission this time because he has every potential to become Space Hitler if given that level of power and I'd feel like a hypocrite if I did that but not let Garrus have his revenge.

On the paragon side, it's hard to say how it would affect Garrus. I think everyone can agree that Sidonis' fate and morality is completely secondary towards how this affects Garrus regardless of what decision you take. Will killing Sidonis give Garrus peace and a sense of justice or will it simply turn him into a monster and also haunt him for the rest of his life? Will sparing Sidonis let Garrus maintain his humanity and spare him the feeling of gunning down an unarmed guilt-ridden (former) friend or will he be forever haunted by the feeling that he failed his squadmates and let the man guilty of it go free because he couldn't pull the trigger? I don't have the answer because I've never been in this situation myself.

While it's true that an eye for an eye makes the world go blind, there are definitely some things in this world that need nothing less than a bullet between the eyes.

I haven't gotten to this part yet in my new playthrough so it'll be interesting to see what decision I ultimately make.

[ViciousCargo]

Just let Garrus plug him. He dresses terribly, anyhow. We don't need stupid Turians dressed like Bozo the clown in our galaxy.

[Hazegurl]

I always let Garrus take the shot. The way I see it is that he can feel gulity all he likes but 10 people are still dead and it would had been 11 if Garrus wasn't recruited by TIM and saved by Shep. He would have lived in hiding for good and probably got over it. But what about Garrus? It just wasn't my call to make. If Garrus wants this guy dead and this will make his head clear for the suicide mission then kill him. But then again, I always play renegade.

[lyriumaddict104]

volly0071 wrote...

I really dread this one. From what I've seen of BA's story btw ME and ME2 it seems somewhat hollywood. *shudder* I fear this whole thing will be reduced to cheap par/ ren action in 3.Which would be sad.Garris, learns from you in 1 if you went high end with him. And even on the non-import ME 2 he learned. option "you were a thug?" He very clearly explains everything. This issue is very different than what he was going through in the first game.

This is an issue of brotherhood, a matter of code, not morality. Sidonis absolutely deserves death for what he did, and the action is just. If anyone had set up any squad I ever served with like this, there would be no where for them to run. Soldiers are loyal to one another bc they have to be. This kind of betrayal is unforgivable. I treat this situation like it happened to me, and in a way it did.
 
Garris is part of my crew, and has been for two games. I don't even discuss the situation with Garris beyond getting the story started. By the time we get to the area Sidonis is at the only two things i've asked Garris are is he ok, twice. I have never asked Sidonis, why? There is no reason good enough so there is no point... I know what needs doin.'

Garris, needs to do this. If he doesn't it will just drive him back to what he used to be. He can't even grieve for his men until this bastard is in the ground. Garris should do with this what all soldiers do, compartmentalize, and deal with the baggage bits at a time. Yeah! PTSD rocks! But, you get through it.

So, Sidonis gets deaderfied every single game. Hopefully I don't end up with the cheap retarded hollywood "I'm Saren now" Garris in 3. Or worse, imprisoned.

edit: included defintion of traitor from Merrium-Websters

Function: noun[/i]
Etymology: Middle English traytour,[/i] from Anglo-French traitre,[/i] from Latin traditor,[/i] from tradere[/i] to hand over, deliver, betray, from trans-, tra-[/i] trans- + dare[/i] to give — more at date
Date: 13th century
1[/b] :[/b] one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2[/b] :[/b] one who commits treason

^This. I don't have personal experience to relate to what you said, exactly, but I feel it best describes my reasons for letting Garrus take the shot. The only thing I wanted to question Garrus on, was if he was sure he had the right guy and that Sidonis actually betrayed their unit. Make sure Garrus' intel was correct, and then I was all for helping him do what he needed to do.

Like some other posters said, I also don't see the reason for agreeing to help Garrus in the first place, only to warn Sidonis about it and let him get away. That feels like betraying a friend, and to me is more serious than killing a guilty man. I would have preferred he not be unarmed but Sidonis doesn't seem the type to accept a challenge to a duel, and Garrus doesn't seem the type to offer it.