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[Pauravi]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

It's not about being good or bad, it's about what's the best thing for Garrus.  It's a bad situation and letting Garrus assassinate a guy just drags him down further.  Sidonis is already miserable as he should be.  With him living and knowing he's been given another chance, there's an opportunity for him to do something positive.  He was never dangerous, just cowardly.

Exactly.

[sergio71785]

I let him live.



Just watch, he's going to pull a Tassadar in ME3 and fly his ship into a Reaper's core or something.

[InvaderErl]

I go as far as I can, allowing Sidonis to say his piece and then I let Garrus make the decision.



So no he has not yet lived on any of my playthroughs.

[Bigdoser]

RyrineaNara wrote...

For me letting Sindios live is what was best for Garrus, and I thought him killing the guy was not in his best interest. He would have gone further in too darkness, if he had taken that shot. The thing is, I have seen what revenge will do to people. It eats away at them until it is all they can think about. Some good anti heroes, are these type of people.

This.

[Himmelstor]

Die. Have no desire to see traitor and coward live.

If is already suffering, end.

[Soahfreako]

Let him live, because Garrus was getting to caught up in getting revenge. It was controlling him, leading him down the path of evil, so to speak. Letting him live is the Paragon thing to do because is shows Garrus, yet again, that killing isn't always the best way to handle a situation. "You can't control what people will do, but you can control how you react."

[Peer of the Empire]

Die

[InvaderErl]

Soahfreako wrote...

Let him live, because Garrus was getting to caught up in getting revenge. It was controlling him, leading him down the path of evil, so to speak. Letting him live is the Paragon thing to do because is shows Garrus, yet again, that killing isn't always the best way to handle a situation. "You can't control what people will do, but you can control how you react."

Ruthless certainly, but evil? Nah.

Garrus still cares deeply about protecting the innocent. He still has the foresight to merely kneecap Harkin rather than kill him and you can reinforce that notion in the car with him. He's still a far cry from becoming a Saren figure.

[Ray Joel Oh]

InvaderErl wrote...

Ruthless certainly, but evil? Nah.

Garrus still cares deeply about protecting the innocent. He still has the foresight to merely kneecap Harkin rather than kill him and you can reinforce that notion in the car with him. He's still a far cry from becoming a Saren figure.

It compromises his principles.  He might not become a Saren, but maybe a Harkin. 

[Splinter Cell 108]

Live. If he wanted to do it then he would have not hesitated and there was no paragon persuasion or renegade intimidation to stop him from doing it. I'd say that means that he knew it was wrong and that he'd regret in the end. I understand him though, if I was in that position i don't know what I'd do but I'm sure that there would be a big chance that I would shoot Sidonis.



If Garrus would have shot him he would have not forgotten about it so easily. Look at all his mistakes. He always tells Shepard about C-Sec and his team. I could imagine him regretting killing Sidonis. maybe not telling it to Shepard but carrying that mistake forever. He has enough problems as it is, killing Sidonis will just make him get even more lost in his life.

[Axterix]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

It compromises his principles.  He might not become a Saren, but maybe a Harkin. 

Never a Harkin.  Harkin was corrupt through and through.  He broke rules for his own personal gain, a dirty cop.  Garrus would go the opposite route, one who breaks the rules for vigilante reasons.  Always been his inclination.

And, really, Garrus shooting a guy for betraying him and causing his team to be wiped out, that's a far smaller thing than what he did in Omega.  He killed a lot of people there.  And most of them were probably guilty of a lot less than a betrayal that led to 10 deaths.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Axterix wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

It compromises his principles.  He might not become a Saren, but maybe a Harkin. 

Never a Harkin.  Harkin was corrupt through and through.  He broke rules for his own personal gain, a dirty cop.  Garrus would go the opposite route, one who breaks the rules for vigilante reasons.  Always been his inclination.

And, really, Garrus shooting a guy for betraying him and causing his team to be wiped out, that's a far smaller thing than what he did in Omega.  He killed a lot of people there.  And most of them were probably guilty of a lot less than a betrayal that led to 10 deaths.

It's all one step at a time, getting more cynical, breaking more rules.  He was willing to kill hostages to get the bad guys in the first game, so he's already willing to compromise a lot.  Letting him work out his anger through assassination isn't healthy.

[KnotEngaged]

Garrus is a hot head. I need to deter that kind of behavior in my squad mates if I want them focused, stable, and cool under pressure. Let him live. Going with your natural instinct for revenge almost always has negative repercussions. Teach Garrus a lesson.

[ExtremeOne]

he dies and he deserved it.

[BurningArmor]

I had Shepard let him die.

Shepard always tries to walk the Paragon path, but is no angel.  The Paragon path gets slick at times.  Evidence the fact I usually finish the game with a full paragon bar and about 20% on the renegade bar.

While I do have Shepard try to talk Garrus out of it, Shepard knows Garrus is hurting mentally as well as physically.  Garrus, imho, needed to put a bullet in Sidonis.  I cannot swear that I wouldn't do the same.  I do think Shepard would do it too if the roles were switched between him and Garrus.  Along those lines, look how many collectors died when Shepard went to take back his crew.

In an unrelated matter, why wasn't there some way to fix or replace the Swiss Cheese that served as armor for Garrus?

[Markinator_123]

Now that I think about it, I did make both choices after all and overall I found the paragon choice more satisfying. I didn't save Sidonis for his sake but for Garrus's. I agree with people who claim that Garrus is a bit of a hothead and I am not a fan of revenge. Besides, Sidonis having to live with the blood of ten people on his hands is more than enough punishment. With that said, sometimes I really do wonder what is best for Garrus in this situation because if I were him I would probably want to kill Sidonis. That is a gray situation for me.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 13 mars 2010 - 11:05 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

If you think about it the paragon option is best for both. This way Garrus doesn't do something he'll end up regretting the rest of his life along with all the other stuff. Sidonis however will get to suffer the rest of his life, he even says that he sometimes wishes it was over.

[WarChicken78]

Wait, you can sucessfully gain Garrus' loyality by not letting him shoot sedonis?

I'll try that.

[InvaderErl]

Markinator_123 wrote...
 sometimes I really do wonder what is best for Garrus in this situation because if I were him I would probably want to kill Sidonis. That is a gray situation for me.

This.

I have to wonder how many people would be willing to say, "No, I must not kill this person," if Sidonis had sold out the team and gotten Tali, Mordin, Legion, Miranda, Jack, Ashley, Liara, etc. all killed. If they were actually dead in the game because of him, how many would let him get away.

Its easy to preach to Garrus because it wasn't OUR team, we're disconnected from those events.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Watch that is what happens at the beginning of ME 3

[InvaderErl]

Except for Garrus who tells us we shouldn't kill the party responsible.

[Pacifien]

It depends on which Shepard I'm playing. My main Shepard doesn't let Garrus kill him, but for purely selfish reasons. Had the betrayal happened to me, I would have shot Sidonis. I completely understood why Garrus wanted him dead, but it was important for my Shepard that Garrus not kill him. This is out of some bizarre affection for Garrus where, no matter how ugly things get on our missions, I still have that sort of influence over a guy to convince him not to kill. I did it with Dr. Saleon and I do it with Sidonis. Like my Shepard needs to see someone have every reason to kill and choose not to. Even if the only reason he chooses to do so is because I push him into it.



Every other Shepard I play will let Garrus take the shot, but only after speaking with Sidonis first. This is because all my Shepards are nosy and want to know why anyone does anything. Why are you calibrating, Garrus? Who are you spying on, Miranda? Does it feel any drier in here, Thane? How's your dancing coming along, Legion? Why did you betray Garrus, Sidonis? Had it been "they threatened my family" or "they were going to blow up a room full of hostages," then maybe I would have considered letting Sidonis live. But no, all they did was threaten his life. Even then I might have let him pass, but he didn't just run right away. Oh no, he stopped to set up the ambush first.

[Ray Joel Oh]

InvaderErl wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...
 sometimes I really do wonder what is best for Garrus in this situation because if I were him I would probably want to kill Sidonis. That is a gray situation for me.

This.

I have to wonder how many people would be willing to say, "No, I must not kill this person," if Sidonis had sold out the team and gotten Tali, Mordin, Legion, Miranda, Jack, Ashley, Liara, etc. all killed. If they were actually dead in the game because of him, how many would let him get away.

Its easy to preach to Garrus because it wasn't OUR team, we're disconnected from those events.

What if that person who had betrayed everyone was Garrus, or Tali, or Liara or one of the others though?  Would killing them make me feel better, even though they had been my friend?  I don't think so.  I'd be disgusted with them, and I wouldn't be their friend anymore, but I wouldn't feel so satisfied in killing them.  Sidonis was Garrus's friend and comrade.  I think Garrus's rage would have eventually become disgust and pity.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 14 mars 2010 - 12:03 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'm telling you, Cerberus is part of the Alliance and regardless of whether or not you give TIM the base, you will be considered a liability and TIM will betray the Normandy to the Alliance and the Alliance Marine (Kaiden/Ashley) will down the Normandy again killing everyone on board except for Shepard.

[RyrineaNara]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'm telling you, Cerberus is part of the Alliance and regardless of whether or not you give TIM the base, you will be considered a liability and TIM will betray the Normandy to the Alliance and the Alliance Marine (Kaiden/Ashley) will down the Normandy again killing everyone on board except for Shepard.

If that happens, i'd screm bloody murder.