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[Gavinthelocust]

I look at everything in ME2 how it will effect me in ME3, I let him live in hopes of getting an ally. If I find out it is just an email saying thanks I will replay ME2 just to kill him off.

[InvaderErl]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...
 sometimes I really do wonder what is best for Garrus in this situation because if I were him I would probably want to kill Sidonis. That is a gray situation for me.

This.

I have to wonder how many people would be willing to say, "No, I must not kill this person," if Sidonis had sold out the team and gotten Tali, Mordin, Legion, Miranda, Jack, Ashley, Liara, etc. all killed. If they were actually dead in the game because of him, how many would let him get away.

Its easy to preach to Garrus because it wasn't OUR team, we're disconnected from those events.

What if that person who had betrayed everyone was Garrus, or Tali, or Liara or one of the others though?  Would killing them make me feel better, even though they had been my friend?  I don't think so.  I'd be disgusted with them, and I wouldn't be their friend anymore, but I wouldn't feel so satisfied in killing them.  Sidonis was Garrus's friend and comrade.  I think Garrus's rage would have eventually become disgust and pity.

If they had a ****ty reason for doing it, I'd consider putting a bullet in them.

If Sidonis had the slightest reason beyond self-preservation I wouldn't have let Garrus take the shot.

[Markinator_123]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'm telling you, Cerberus is part of the Alliance and regardless of whether or not you give TIM the base, you will be considered a liability and TIM will betray the Normandy to the Alliance and the Alliance Marine (Kaiden/Ashley) will down the Normandy again killing everyone on board except for Shepard.

I would glady kill Ashley/Kaidan if they did that. Never liked them anyway

[Ray Joel Oh]

InvaderErl wrote...

If they had a ****ty reason for doing it, I'd consider putting a bullet in them.

If Sidonis had the slightest reason beyond self-preservation I wouldn't have let Garrus take the shot.

I don't think that'd make me feel better.  I'd just feel mad forever that they'd made me kill them.

I hope that they don't play by the numbers with this choice and make Garrus just further corrupt and cynical by default in ME3 since apparently the majority of people think that's okay.

[kaskouka]

I always allow Sidonis to explain himself then I just let Garrus shoot his head off.
There is no reason to keep that coward traitor alive imo.

Modifié par kaskouka, 14 mars 2010 - 12:29 .

[JThompson6577]

EliteZev wrote...

Title^^

I know I'm showing my age but all I can think about the title of this thread is "Karate Kid 2."

Live or die, man?!

[InvaderErl]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

If they had a ****ty reason for doing it, I'd consider putting a bullet in them.

If Sidonis had the slightest reason beyond self-preservation I wouldn't have let Garrus take the shot.

I don't think that'd make me feel better.  I'd just feel mad forever that they'd made me kill them.

I hope that they don't play by the numbers with this choice and make Garrus just further corrupt and cynical by default in ME3 since apparently the majority of people think that's okay.

Garrus killing Sidonis would never result in him being corrupt. More hard on criminals, probably, but he would ever become corrupt.

[tonnactus]

Yes,let Garrus become a second warden kuril...
Aehm,no. I let Sidonis live.
I couldnt blame someone fear dead  anyway.Combined with torture.

Modifié par tonnactus, 14 mars 2010 - 01:00 .

[Lord Coake]

Sidonis is already dead inside.  He knows he's a monster and a coward, and he doesn't deserve to live.

Therefore, Garrus and Shepard left him alive.  It was not done as an act of mercy, but because Garrus knew he'd become something he'd hate if he pulled that trigger.  Shepard just had to make him realize it.

[Stinkface27]

Anybody who upsets my Garrus that much deserves to pay.

[InvaderErl]

Kuril was an extortionist. He only paid lip service to the notion of justice.

I don't get this notion of Garrus becoming corrupt when he's about as principled as they come.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 14 mars 2010 - 01:02 .

[tonnactus]

InvaderErl wrote...


Garrus killing Sidonis would never result in him being corrupt.

Selfjustice is not far away from corrupt.Remember Warden Kuril.
I am frustrated with garrus development anyways.No matter what you do in Mass Effect 1 he become a vigilante in 2

[InvaderErl]

tonnactus wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...


Garrus killing Sidonis would never result in him being corrupt.

Selfjustice is not far away from corrupt.Remember Warden Kuril.
I am frustrated with garrus development anyways.No matter what you do in Mass Effect 1 he become a vigilante in 2

Kuril wanted MONEY.

Garrus wants to punish criminals.

[Pauravi]

Stinkface27 wrote...

Anybody who upsets my Garrus that much deserves to pay.

Ah, but perhaps you upset him more in the long run by letting him exact revenge, eh?  Something to think about!

After all, when he spares Sidonis he says, "There was still good in him, I could see it!"
Honestly, I think that Garrus being able to see that his former team mate wasn't just a heartless traitor and actually regretted what he did was probably a lot more therapudic than letting putting a hole in his former friend and colleague's head.

[tonnactus]

InvaderErl wrote...

Kuril was an extortionist. He only paid lip service to the notion of justice.

Wrong.He defended himself in that way even in the bossfight when shepardt call him a slaver.
Also,a lot of people here talk about bravery and cowardness.They would ****** in their pants in real life, when they get in this situation, combined with torture,and would betray their best friends just for the possibility to life.

[WarAxe7]

epoch_ wrote...

classic!

[tonnactus]

InvaderErl wrote...


Kuril wanted MONEY.

Yes,at the end of his development.Before he was something like garrus now.

[InvaderErl]

tonnactus wrote...

Wrong.He defended himself in that way even in the bossfight when shepardt call him a slaver.

That's because he's an ****. He told himself that so he could justify his racket. The whole thing was about money, that was his PRIME motivation.

If Garrus was ever going to turn into something it would likely be a vigilante resembling the Punisher.

tonnactus wrote...
Also,a lot of people here talk about bravery and cowardness.They would ****** in their pants in real life, when they get in this situation, combined with torture,and would betray their best friends just for the possibility to life.

Its a good thing  that nobody here has signed on for a job in which they would be placed in such a situation. Sidonis did.

And Sidonis made no effort to correct his mistake, he could have tried to meet Garrus where he said he was going to meet him to at least give HIM a heads up. If he had done that instead of making a run for it, I think Garrus would have been more understanding (if still very upset) with him.

[Xaijin]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'm telling you, Cerberus is part of the Alliance and regardless of whether or not you give TIM the base, you will be considered a liability and TIM will betray the Normandy to the Alliance and the Alliance Marine (Kaiden/Ashley) will down the Normandy again killing everyone on board except for Shepard.

They don't have the firepower, and if Shpard's a Spectre again they don't have the political clout either.

[Apaceon]

Bah, I tried everything on the ride there to stop Garrus... telling him it wasn't him to take this kind of revenge, basically whatever good I could get out of it... but in the end I wasn't going to be the one that stood between a military grade sniper round and it's target. I figured if my words had any weight he wouldn't take the shot, but he took it.



...Whatever it was it was bigger than me.

[Pauravi]

InvaderErl wrote...

I don't get this notion of Garrus becoming corrupt when he's about as principled as they come.

I don't know about that.  His deal with Dr. Saleon in ME1, and the way he describes his work in ME2 makes it really seem as if Garrus is most interested in the punishment part of what he does.  While it is true that it is the injustice of it that makes him angry, once he sets his sights on a target he becomes very "renegade" about it -- punishing the perpetrator becomes the most important thing.  That focus on retributive punishment-style justice is a result of Garrus' hot temper, and is what makes him prone to doing unprincipled things in pursuit of a target.

Don't get me wrong... I love Garrus, and I think his heart is generally leading him in the right direction.  It also gets him in trouble, though.  I see Shepard's role in the Garrus friendship as the guy who gently nudges him back onto the right path when his emotions push him off of it a bit.  If he strays too far off he could get lost.

[InvaderErl]

Pauravi wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I don't get this notion of Garrus becoming corrupt when he's about as principled as they come.

I don't know about that.  His deal with Dr. Saleon in ME1, and the way he describes his work in ME2 makes it really seem as if Garrus is most interested in the punishment part of what he does.  While it is true that it is the injustice of it that makes him angry, once he sets his sights on a target he becomes very "renegade" about it -- punishing the perpetrator becomes the most important thing.  That focus on retributive punishment-style justice is a result of Garrus' hot temper, and is what makes him prone to doing unprincipled things in pursuit of a target.

Don't get me wrong... I love Garrus, and I think his heart is generally leading him in the right direction.  It also gets him in trouble, though.  I see Shepard's role in the Garrus friendship as the guy who gently nudges him back onto the right path when his emotions push him off of it a bit.  If he strays too far off he could get lost.

When I say principled I mean he believes in a black and white, punish the criminals sort of morality. He has his OWN set of principles that are fairly consistent.

Unless you're referring to "corrupt" in which case people are trying to make the case that he'd become a Harkin or Kuril, which is a leap since he's never shown a desire for money.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 14 mars 2010 - 01:17 .

[Tennyochan]

i killed him even though i was paragon. >.>
if someone killed my entire SR-2 crew...
i'd kill them

i might let him live in my other playthrough though. garrus did seem a tad evil.

Modifié par tennyochan, 14 mars 2010 - 01:19 .

[tonnactus]

InvaderErl wrote...


That's because he's an ****. He told himself that so he could justify his racket.

Why he even need to told that to himself if he dont have any moral?Think about it.
He did this awfull job(purgatory) without getting much respect for it.This and the contact with the criminals change a person like garrus into something like warden kuril.At the end,he just decide to take money as a compensation for it,but have still  bad conscience about it.

[IoCaster]

Dead without a second thought, every time. I'd even be willing to run over and prop his body up so that Garrus could shoot him 9 more times.