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[Zulu_DFA]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

Die, there's no reason to let the guy live. Let Garrus have his revenge. Also, I play paragon so don't call me a heartless renegade.

There is also no reason for Shepard to want to talk to this guy.

[Lord Coake]

When I say principled I mean he believes in a black and white, punish the criminals sort of morality. He has his OWN set of principles that are fairly consistent.

Garrus even says, if you let Sidonis live: "I can work with black and white, but gray...I don't know what to do."

Sidonis is Garrus' big turning point.  It's the classic question of "What are you in the dark?"

Is Garrus ultimately no better than a bloodthirsty vigilante, or is he what he's always wished he could be?  The line between villian and champion is a very fine one.  It's easy to be the former and whitewash it, but pulling off the latter is often agonising and almost always difficult.

But nothing worth doing is ever easy.  It's why real heroes are a rarity.

[InvaderErl]

tonnactus wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...


That's because he's an ****. He told himself that so he could justify his racket.

Why he even need to told that to himself if he dont have any moral?Think about it.
He did this awfull job(purgatory) without getting much respect for it.This and the contact with the criminals change a person like garrus into something like warden kuril.At the end,he just decide to take money as a compensation for it,but have still  bad conscience about it.

No, the place was run by the Blue Suns, Kuril was corrupt when he arrived there.

There is no relationship between shooting someone that you feel is responsible for the deaths of your entire team and holding planets for ransom on threat of releasing their wayward criminals.

Kuril is the type of cop who says he's busting criminals while stealing from them. Garrus is the type who shoots them in the head.  They are not the same.

[clanhenderson8]

Sidonis dies. Why save him? Regardless of whether Sidonis feels regret for what he did is a non-issue. Shepard and Garrus killed hundreds of mercs, who may or may not individually be good people. But we never ask their oppinions on the matter, for all anyone knows, Blue Suns who joined for money living in a broken down economy, but are now too engrained and scared of what will happen if they desert.



But we'll never know, furthermore, we won't lose any sleep over it. Trust Garrus' thoughts about revenge, because you trust Garrus. Just another body to add to the count imo.



"Vengeance repaid, Sidonis."

[Zulmoka531]

I let him live. He tried turning himself in, if they can't hold him on the Citadel then there is a possible chance he could form his own vigilante group in ME3. Well...that's stretching my hopes a little too far...



Also, as others have pointed out, this isn't just about Sidonus. It's about Garrus's outlook on crime. If you import a Shepard that killed Dr. Saleon in cold blood (Garrus's ME1 mission) he'll state he learned some of the crueler tactics from you, having him spare Sidonus could have a character change for him come ME3 (same logic applies to killing Sidonus).

[tonnactus]

InvaderErl wrote...


No, the place was run by the Blue Suns,

There could be different fraction of blue suns like in the case of eclipse.Eclipse sisters are not the whole eclipse,so not every member of them have to murder someone.

[Stinkface27]

Pauravi wrote...

Stinkface27 wrote...

Anybody who upsets my Garrus that much deserves to pay.

Ah, but perhaps you upset him more in the long run by letting him exact revenge, eh?  Something to think about!

After all, when he spares Sidonis he says, "There was still good in him, I could see it!"
Honestly, I think that Garrus being able to see that his former team mate wasn't just a heartless traitor and actually regretted what he did was probably a lot more therapudic than letting putting a hole in his former friend and colleague's head.

Really good points, and logically, I know you are correct. I still prefer revenge, though.  I'm taking the shortest path to the dark side, and I'm taking Garrus with me!

[InvaderErl]

tonnactus wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...


No, the place was run by the Blue Suns,

There could be different fraction of blue suns like in the case of eclipse.Eclipse sisters are not the whole eclipse,so not every member of them have to murder someone.

I don't think there's a law abiding part of the Blue Suns out there. Granted there are different branches and they clearly operate somewhat independently, but they all seem to center around crime. Kuril's operation was an extortion racket so that fits in with their underworld gang theme.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 14 mars 2010 - 04:41 .

[thegreateski]

Garrus is space Batman.

You do not cross Batman.

Modifié par thegreateski, 14 mars 2010 - 04:57 .

[SnakeStrike8]

He lives!

Everyone deserves a second chance, even cowardly betrayers.

[Ooga600]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

Landline wrote...

I trust Garrus to be able to make his own choices in life.

Its his choice, I'll go along with him, and he wants him dead.

Yes very true. It's like if someone stepped in my life and said, "Wait! You don't want to break up with your girlfriend"

so you'd just be a tool for garrus instead of helping him get past his obsession with revenge and stopping him from commiting a murder?

[Ooga600]

Shandepared wrote...

Ooga600 wrote...

so you'd just be a tool for garrus instead of helping him get past his obsession with revenge and stopping him from commiting a murder?

Why do you assume that killing Sidonis won't end his obsession? If anything with Sidonis alive he's more likely to think about it more. Just because YOU would be screwed up killing a killer doesn't mean Garrus would. I don't consider it murder either. Eye for an eye.

makes the whole world blind

[Cyberfrog81]

I prefer letting him live. I think how it all plays out is more interesting that way.



But if a renegade-minded Shep just wants to quickly eliminate a coward on the way to real enemies, I guess that's perfectly understandable.

[Skilled Seeker]

Kill him.

[ResidentNoob]

I kill Sidonis, but only after I hear him say 'Sometimes I just want it to be over'. That way, it's best for both Garrus AND Sidonis; they come to a mutual acknowledgement. Plus, I love how the conversation goes after that:



Sidonis: 'Sometimes I just want it to be over.'



Shepard: *Picks 'Move to the side'* 'If you're sure that's what you want.'



Sidonis: 'No more sleepless nights.'



Garrus: 'For either of us, Sidonis.'



*Shepard walks away*



*snipe*

[Mresa]

I let him die on my first playthrough because I was afraid that I might not get Garrus's loyalty but then I discovered that I could his loyalty even though I wouldn't let him kill Sidonis.

So I let him live on my other playthroughs.

[Markinator_123]

ResidentNoob wrote...

I kill Sidonis, but only after I hear him say 'Sometimes I just want it to be over'. That way, it's best for both Garrus AND Sidonis; they come to a mutual acknowledgement. Plus, I love how the conversation goes after that:

Sidonis: 'Sometimes I just want it to be over.'

Shepard: *Picks 'Move to the side'* 'If you're sure that's what you want.'

Sidonis: 'No more sleepless nights.'

Garrus: 'For either of us, Sidonis.'

*Shepard walks away*

*snipe*

That's interesting I never tried that. I think Sidonis wants to die anyway. It could be seen as a mercy killing.

[Computron2000]

Live. I always believe that death is too cheap for confirmed criminals that cause death. Shoot out his limbs or something but let him live and suffer.

[kraidy1117]

I let him live because killing him is giving him a free pass, where if you let him live he will regret it for the rest of his life and turns himself in. I rather let him live and suffer then give him a quick death.

[Computron2000]

Shandepared wrote...

Ooga600 wrote...

makes the whole world blind

That's a cute play on words but it is utterly meaningless in reality.

Meaningless only if you cannot think of consequences further than revenge.

[Markinator_123]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I let him live because killing him is giving him a free pass, where if you let him live he will regret it for the rest of his life and turns himself in. I rather let him live and suffer then give him a quick death.

Interestingly, I think this is one of the situations where I think the paragon choice is more ruthless than the renegade one.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 14 mars 2010 - 03:28 .